Predict the Patriots record for the upcoming 2024 season

[Thelonious]

Well 90% of the problem was the QB position. We've revamped basically all the skill positions, with the most important Being QB. also the offense we were running last season didn't help either. Under AVP expect zone runs, deep shots down the field.. O lineman all blocking to one side on zone runs.. alot of what the Browns and 49ers to name a few do. The defense we know will bring it each game we just need the offense to be "marginal".

"Well 90% of the problem was the QB position."

I just don't think this is true at all. A dismal O-line and WR room - both arguably the worst in the league - and all the other areas of deficiency on the offense add up to 10% of the problem? Sorry, but that is just patently ridiculous.

 

[Real fan 02]

I do not believe in ceilings.

The Rams were nothing until Green went down.

The Patriots were less than nothing until Bledsoe went down.

In any of the four major sports, a combination of solid coaching, determined, capable players and leadership can take a team to the top quickly. It's been this way for a long time now.

Guys like Warner and Brady are such just unknown hidden gems that the chance of an organization landing those guys are as much as seeing rainbow Brite. Warner had HOF talent on his o line, defense and skill positions.. he should have won with that team. Goat had Troy brown and a bunch of carpenters and plumbers his early days. But I get your overall point. Brady had the coaching and the insatiable desire to win was his gift.

 

[Real fan 02]

"Well 90% of the problem was the QB position."

I just don't think this is true at all. A dismal O-line and WR room - both arguably the worst in the league - and all the other areas of deficiency on the offense add up to 10% of the problem? Sorry, but that is just patently ridiculous.

So your arguing the QB wasn't the issue???? We are talking about the Patriots right? The team who just took well what don you know a QUARTERBACK at 3.. to reiterate my posy. 90% was the QB.. yes the o line was great, yes the skill positions were great however how do you justify the turnovers? Becuase I'm sorry that response is malarkey.

 

[archstanton543]

So your arguing the QB wasn't the issue???? We are talking about the Patriots right? The team who just took well what don you know a QUARTERBACK at 3.. to reiterate my posy. 90% was the QB.. yes the o line was great, yes the skill positions were great however how do you justify the turnovers? Becuase I'm sorry that response is malarkey.

He's not saying that. QB was part of the problem but not 90% of it.

 

[Real fan 02]

He's not saying that. QB was part of the problem but not 90% of it.

Ok what % would you give it? I understand that QB wasn't all the problem of course but the QB is the one throwing the ball. Just like when we won was brady 90% of the reason? I'm just simply saying that solid QB is usually conducive to success. When we had that with Mac his rookie season we were top 10 In all the offensive categories that mattered.

 

[mgteich]

Ok what % would you give it? I understand that QB wasn't all the problem of course but the QB is the one throwing the ball. Just like when we won was brady 90% of the reason? I'm just simply saying that solid QB is usually conducive to success. When we had that with Mac his rookie season we were top 10 In all the offensive categories that mattered.

90%? Really?

Please list the starters that this QB was leading at the end of the season. Was this group 10% or less of the problem?

RB
TE
WR
LT

 

[Spiral]

I don't believe they've made enough improvements to the OL. Too many ifs. That's why they should keep Maye on the bench all year, if possible. I said 7-8 wins, but I would consider that optimistic.

 

[Real fan 02]

90%? Really?

Please list the starters that this QB was leading at the end of the season. Was this group 10% or less of the problem?

RB
TE
WR
LT

Yes. Think about it we went 12-4, that season after starting 8-0.. Brady was the sole reason we had 24 TDs to 8 INTs.. the other 10% was the skill positions.. we had Harris at RB, and yeah you could argue Wynn wasn't the best fit for LT.

 

[mgteich]

Yes. Think about it we went 12-4, that season after starting 8-0.. Brady was the sole reason we had 24 TDs to 8 INTs.. the other 10% was the skill positions.. we had Harris at RB, and yeah you could argue Wynn wasn't the best fit for LT.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop using Brady or Mahomes as examples.

Yes, they can be 90% of the team. That analysis applies to NO team without Brady or Mahomes as QB.
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To make believe that only 10% of the result was based on the following is just plain silly.
1) losing Gonzo, Judon and Marcus Jones
2) Injuries and lack of talent at LT and LG.
3) Injuries making the already horrible WR corps even worse.
4) Henry and Stevenson injured near the end of the season.
5) A #2 TE that was MIA
6) Poor coaching
7) Off the field issues in the locker room
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PERSONALLY, I believe that we had a team that might have had a shot at 50% or even the playoffs with Jones and Zappe as our QB's if there were not the very horrible rest of the problems.

So, I AGREE that the QB play was awful. We had two very below average QB's. No, neither was as good as brady or Mahomes. However, they had little chance, given all the rest of the issues. I didn't like either QB, but with Josh as coach plus many of the other issues solved, I think that this was a potential playoff team.

And yes, if the QB play can be of average NFL quality this year, I think that we are far from the 4-win team the mediots think that we are. [Yes, I know that we are playing with a below average LT duo of Okafor and Anderson]. Almost all of the playoff contenders have weaknesses. Ours are at LT and QB. We can afford to be below average or even very below average at these positions and still be expeced to have a chance at winning half of our games (teams expected to win half of their games are called "playoff contenders").

 

[Real fan 02]

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop using Brady or Mahomes as examples.

Yes, they can be 90% of the team. That analysis applies to NO team without Brady or Mahomes as QB.

Ok, I believe your getting confused what I'm saying. I'm saying a QB In general.. anyways let's dead this conversation and talk about something more note worthy.. like when do you think Drake will be starting?

 

[mgteich]

Ok, I believe your getting confused what I'm saying. I'm saying a QB In general.. anyways let's dead this conversation and talk about something more note worthy.. like when do you think Drake will be starting?

fair enough

I apologize for any misunderstanding of your arguments.

I expect Drake to be starting well before the bye, perhaps be Game 5. Game 8.5 may be a reasonable over and over.

 

[Real fan 02]

fair enough

I apologize for any misunderstanding of your arguments.

I expect Drake to be starting well before the bye, perhaps be Game 5.

Oh my friend no worries at all. It's ok I enjoy your material and I always like the insight you bring. You know something your right. Curran mentioned something similar on NBC sports Boston last week that Drake could be starting by then as well.

 

[Thelonious]

So your arguing the QB wasn't the issue???? We are talking about the Patriots right? The team who just took well what don you know a QUARTERBACK at 3.. to reiterate my posy. 90% was the QB.. yes the o line was great, yes the skill positions were great however how do you justify the turnovers? Becuase I'm sorry that response is malarkey.

You said QB was 90% of last year's problem. I said that is way too high. By what perverse stretch of interpretation is this equivalent to saying "QB wasn't the problem." It was part of the problem. 90%?? Absolute stark raving nonsense.

Want a number? 35% was QB. Let's start a contest or something. The rest? 40% was the rest of the lousy offense. 25% was a failed/failing HC/GM/coaching staff.

 

[Real fan 02]

You said QB was 90% of last year's problem. I said that is way too high. By what perverse stretch of interpretation is this equivalent to saying "QB wasn't the problem." It was part of the problem. 90%?? Absolute stark raving nonsense.

Want a number? 35% was QB. Let's start a contest or something. The rest? 40% was the rest of the lousy offense. 25% was a failed/failing HC/GM/coaching staff.

Your right ??.. 90% may have been a bit to high. I was a bit over doing it there. I'd say 50%..? As the person handling the ball has to be accountable and make great decisions.... now your absolutely positively correct the coa

You said QB was 90% of last year's problem. I said that is way too high. By what perverse stretch of interpretation is this equivalent to saying "QB wasn't the problem." It was part of the problem. 90%?? Absolute stark raving nonsense.

Want a number? 35% was QB. Let's start a contest or something. The rest? 40% was the rest of the lousy offense. 25% was a failed/failing HC/GM/coaching staff.

-ching was absolutely atrocious.

 

[archstanton543]

Ok what % would you give it? I understand that QB wasn't all the problem of course but the QB is the one throwing the ball. Just like when we won was brady 90% of the reason? I'm just simply saying that solid QB is usually conducive to success. When we had that with Mac his rookie season we were top 10 In all the offensive categories that mattered.

40%

 

[n1997y]

RLKAG.

Pats’ season record: .500

10 - 10

 

[lancerman]

So your arguing the QB wasn't the issue???? We are talking about the Patriots right? The team who just took well what don you know a QUARTERBACK at 3.. to reiterate my posy. 90% was the QB.. yes the o line was great, yes the skill positions were great however how do you justify the turnovers? Becuase I'm sorry that response is malarkey.

The team had a league bottom offensive line, league bottom WR corp, and league bottom special teams.

You also aren't guaranteed to have that #3 overall QB start next year. You might have Brissett all season who is a lateral move on the field and only a real improvement as a lockerroom guy.

QB was a problem. It was far from the only problem. There were multiple other units ranked very low across the league that held us back.

 

[pazrul72]

The team had a league bottom offensive line, league bottom WR corp, and league bottom special teams.

You also aren't guaranteed to have that #3 overall QB start next year. You might have Brissett all season who is a lateral move on the field and only a real improvement as a lockerroom guy.

QB was a problem. It was far from the only problem. There were multiple other units ranked very low across the league that held us back.

I dont buy brissett as a lateral move. Yes he isnt flashy and he wont win you any games but IMO he is the perfect guy for this year. He knows the offense and is very safe with the football so he will make the right read and put it in the right place. Exactly what you need to evalute the rest of the offense to see who fits with the long term plan. I expect him to go 17/25 for 200 yards and a TD most games. Average to below average qb play yes but the kind that doesnt lose you games like Mac did consistently. I honestly dont care about wins and losses i just want to see smart well executed football that gives the coaches a chance to figure out who to keep, who to cut, and what needs to be brought in for next year when Drake is starting game one. I hope Drake doesnt start until the bye for a couple reasons, gives him a chance to adjust to the NFL without the pressure of starting and all the other moving parts a chance to settle and gel so we set up our future with the best possible chance of success. Even doing that i voted 6-7 wins because of the defense winning close games the offense doesnt lose like last year.

 

[Rob0729]

I am not making a prediction of number of games. But I expect them to be better than most of the experts and fans will be predicting. I mean they can't be much worse since many predictions I have seen have the Pats being in the top three worst teams in the NFL again.

 

[Real fan 02]

The team had a league bottom offensive line, league bottom WR corp, and league bottom special teams.

You also aren't guaranteed to have that #3 overall QB start next year. You might have Brissett all season who is a lateral move on the field and only a real improvement as a lockerroom guy.

QB was a problem. It was far from the only problem. There were multiple other units ranked very low across the league that held us back.

That's all true. What I was saying about the QB was that the play from the position wasn't at the level needed to have success on plays. But agree on your overall post!