PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots place transition tag on Dugger

[50-yard-line]

Your bias is showing. Do you seriously think it was just "being cheap" if you do then you do not understand football and how it works

Right, and all the other teams that are franchising their guys and killing the FA market are wrong, yes?

The kicker will be Onwenu. If they keep him, then talk to me.

 

[Sfpat]

****ing Kraft, always looking to win the deal at all costs. $100m in cap room and they're hemming and hawing over a couple of million. This is why I say even if they draft a qb at #3 and he's any good, he'll be gone after his first contract because Kraft is too ****ing cheap to pay a top qb market rate.

I thought it was BB who was cheap since he made all of the football decisions

 

[50-yard-line]

The snap judgement there is insane. Do you think that ONLY kraft made that choice?
You assume they didn't talk to all their FAs for all you know they and dugger were far apart and they are much closer on Onwenu.

People really need to pause and think FFS

The pattern hasn't changed at all for the last 6 years. Not at all.

If they re-sign Onwenu, I'll admit that I'm wrong.

 

[Huckleberry1]

With Winfield tagged they probably didn’t see a choice. They must really have a high opinion of Duggar’s play.

 

[Steve102]

I thought it was BB who was cheap since he made all of the football decisions

Bill's not here, gotta hate on someone. Especially that poster.

 

[Sciz]

The normal downsides to the transition tag are
1. It removes the player from the compensatory pick calculation if they sign an offer sheet with another team and the Pats don’t match
2. Beyond the basic years and total dollars, offer sheet terms are often as unfavorable as possible, aka front loaded cap hits

But with a bajillion dollars in cap space, they’re going to sign too many free agents to get comp picks and they’re not going to be afraid of a front loaded cap hit.

I should have thought of this as a realistic outcome. Somewhere, I’ve got posts about how they weren’t going to franchise tag Onwenu ($21M) or Dugger ($17.1M) because that sets unrealistic expectations for a long term deal. I think the same thing would have applied for a transition tag for Onwenu at $19M. But the $13.8M transition tag for safeties is in the right ballpark.

 

[PatsFan2]

Pisses me off no end. I just looked it up - now they can't use the franchise tag on Onwenu or anyone else.

So they screwed over Dugger for a couple million and are going to lose Onwenu, as well.

Yeah, sure, it wasn't Kraft these years...sure.

Cole Stranges injury concerns doesn't seem to bother them why not just tag Onwenu. IF I was them I would offer Trent Brown a contract there is not out there and we need the Body.

 

[A.C Vegas]

The pattern hasn't changed at all for the last 6 years. Not at all.

If they re-sign Onwenu, I'll admit that I'm wrong.

So you made an instant judgement assuming that nothing has changed because the first thing they did was make sure they locked up a player they liked NOT the one you liked.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

How long do we get to decide on matching? If it's any significant amount of time, might be a good way to suppress his market. Teams ready to burn top of the market money aren't going to want to leave that cap space hanging around. So maybe you wipe out the top of his market and can negotiate for less?

 

[PatsFan2]

The normal downsides to the transition tag are
1. It removes the player from the compensatory pick calculation if they sign an offer sheet with another team and the Pats don’t match
2. Beyond the basic years and total dollars, offer sheet terms are often as unfavorable as possible, aka front loaded cap hits

But with a bajillion dollars in cap space, they’re going to sign too many free agents to get comp picks and they’re not going to be afraid of a front loaded cap hit.

I should have thought of this as a realistic outcome. Somewhere, I’ve got posts about how they weren’t going to franchise tag Onwenu ($21M) or Dugger ($17.1M) because that sets unrealistic expectations for a long term deal. I think the same thing would have applied for a transition tag for Onwenu at $19M. But the $13.8M transition tag for safeties is in the right ballpark.

I would have Choose Onwenu.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I thought it was BB who was cheap since he made all of the football decisions

I don’t know that it was so much that Belichick was cheap as it was he was rigid. Once he assigned his $$ value to a player he didn’t budge on it. I’m not saying he was loose with the purse, just that he was an immoveable object once he set the value.

 

[Steve102]

I don’t know that it was so much that Belichick was cheap as it was he was rigid. Once he assigned his $$ value to a player he didn’t budge on it. I’m not saying he was loose with the purse, just that he was an immoveable object once he set the value.

X position paid X dollars, period. Good post.

 

[50-yard-line]

So you made an instant judgement assuming that nothing has changed because the first thing they did was make sure they locked up a player they liked NOT the one you liked.

No, I made it because the Patriots "want to keep" Uche, but no offer...they Want to keep Henry but are "far apart"...they consider Onwenu a "cornerstone," but nothing (like I said, if they sign him, I'll retract, but I'm seeing the same old, same old)...

The last thing this team can afford is to lose (or piss off) their best players. Tying up the other teams that might otherwise sign him, while gathering his services for a couple of million less than a franchise tag isn't going to give him the feel-goods, ya know?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I’m just happy to see all the NFL news on signings and taggings, it makes me feel like the next era of the Patriots has finally begun.

 

[A.C Vegas]

I would have Choose Onwenu.

Maybe they are a lot closer on a deal for him then Dugger? Why is no one here considering that

 

[PatsFan2]

So you made an instant judgement assuming that nothing has changed because the first thing they did was make sure they locked up a player they liked NOT the one you liked.

I am sure you saw over next to invisible OL play last year it wasn't pretty.

 

[Huckleberry1]

No, I made it because the Patriots "want to keep" Uche, but no offer...they Want to keep Henry but are "far apart"...they consider Onwenu a "cornerstone," but nothing (like I said, if they sign him, I'll retract, but I'm seeing the same old, same old)...

We will have a much better idea in a week or so.

 

[PatsFan2]

Maybe they are a lot closer on a deal for him then Dugger? Why is no one here considering that

I think we can find a Dugger though finding a LT and Quality G is not that easy.

 

[50-yard-line]

We will have a much better idea in a week or so.

Yeah, I know.

Confidence is not high.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If the patriots match when does the extension kick in? In 2025?

It would be 1year at 13M and then the extension?

Normally when teams make a deal with a tagged player it replaces the one-year deal altogether.