OT: Simmoms ... Atlanta Front Office Does Not Want Bill.

[upstater1]

They didn't make the Schedule they have two very good WR's and other pieces I am going with youngs guys over the old goat 10 out of 10 times BB is not infallible. The Eagles or Cowboys would be good for him but they are sticking with their current guys tough luck BB.

I didn't blame them for making their schedule, I'm pointing out how the schedule benefited their season. The history of going with a guy with one year of OCs is much, much worse than going with old guys at the end. See Bill Parcells in Dallas. All I'm saying is this: the risk of going with Slowik is much bigger than going with Belichick. Is the payoff potentially greater? Yes. But the chances are slim. If I'm octegenarian Blank, the smart thing is to avoid the slim chance risk.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I didn't blame them for making their schedule, I'm pointing out how the schedule benefited their season. The history of going with a guy with one year of OCs is much, much worse than going with old guys at the end. See Bill Parcells in Dallas. All I'm saying is this: the risk of going with Slowik is much bigger than going with Belichick. Is the payoff potentially greater? Yes. But the chances are slim. If I'm octegenarian Blank, the smart thing is to avoid the slim chance risk.

The other part is that Slowik doesn't have enough juice to get control of the personnel side or bring in his own GM, so McKay and company get to keep their jobs with him.

 

[*ChungFu*]

Wow. 72 is too old to communicate and teach football.
If only BB wanted to teach college, write laws, legislate, hand down judgements that will determine the rest of a person's, or whole country's; life he'd be perfectly fine if bought by the proper thought factory. But football? No friggin way! So what if he is in possession of all his faculties. It's football!

 

[TheRainMaker]

NFL teams:

"We're planning for the future...."

And these teams either never won a Super Bowl or not won for 20+ years. There's a guy out there that's won 6 titles, yet nobody wants him?

 

[Bill Lee]

Anyways ... IMO ...Dallas was perfect for him ...

Not with the Joneses in the loop...
How many times has it been said that BB learned from CLE to not work for an a-hole owner?

I don't disagree with this. If he stays out this year, he'll be able to set himself up for a better position next year's coaching cycle. Right now it seems like nobody but the Falcons were willing to wait for us to release him and now the Falcons look like they are getting cold feet for whatever reason. Go in the media and keep your name out there and then be able to have back channel discussions where it looks like jobs are opening up.

WTF is wrong with taking those eight rings and riding off in the sunset?
TFB12 retired and while his face shows up from time to time, he's largely out.
Bill should retire and bask in the glory of it all, let some young guys take the reins.
Kraft has put $millions in his bank account, his great grandkids college is paid for.
At age 72 the end is much closer than the beginning.
STFU and enjoy the time you have left, Bill!

He's not being blackballed. He's about to be 72 and is coming off a horrible season that followed a rather mediocre 4 years preceding it and wants full control of football ops which means an owner is going to have other people lobbying for their jobs against Bill's hiring. If we made it clear to everyone he has no interest in GM'ing and just wants to coach, he'd already have the Falcons job imo.

He's also coming off ruining the first-round QB he picked three years ago.
His coaching and GM-ing tree have largely been shown the door everywhere they've gone (Matty P, J MacD, etc).
They've had more failures than successes.
The BB era is over, IMO, whether he knows it or not.

"Bradystans" like who?

Yeah, that's what this thread needs, revisiting 2018 all over again.
Let's give it a rest.

 

[Steve102]

Wow. 72 is too old to communicate and teach football.
If only BB wanted to teach college, write laws, legislate, hand down judgements that will determine the rest of a person's, or whole country's; life he'd be perfectly fine if bought by the proper thought factory. But football? No friggin way! So what if he is in possession of all his faculties. It's football!

NFL teams:

"We're planning for the future...."

And these teams either never won a Super Bowl or not won for 20+ years. There's a guy out there that's won 6 titles, yet nobody wants him?

It's not that simple.

It's do you want to have a complete overhaul of your organization ? Do you want to adopt his culture? Do you want to do all that he wants for a short term rental? Because in 3 years max, he's going fishing in Nantucket. If you're a GM or a team president, do you want to work for Bill? Does Bill want to only answer to the owner? If so, the GM and President are hiring a boss, one that is not the team owner and one that's not going to be here for long.

The other layer is : Does Bill still have it. Tom Brady left and, clearly, he'd had enough of Bill. His team went backwards the last 3 years. More importantly, Robert Kraft didn't want Bill anymore. If I am an owner, I take that into consideration big time.

Coach? Sure. GM? Probably not.

 

[venecol]

This is already in one of the Belichick threads but let's start a new thread just because we don't have enough of them all discussing the same thing. What a joke.

 

[mike_usagisan]

His coaching and GM-ing tree have largely been shown the door everywhere they've gone (Matty P, J MacD, etc).
They've had more failures than successes.

I think there's also something to be said for him not being like Parcells. When Parcells took over a franchise, he coached it, bought the groceries, but also left a culture that would be successful for a while after him. If owners thought they were getting that with Bill, I think he'd be having an easier time finding his next spot.

 

[Ian]

This is already in one of the Belichick threads but let's start a new thread just because we don't have enough of them all discussing the same thing. What a joke.

These are generated automatically anytime an entry is posted on the site. It's not at the forefront of my thoughts until it shows up and/or someone like yourself replies to it.

 

[gobesmug]

The crying disbelief of the Belichick fans is hilarious. The enjoyment of this site has gone up 1000% without their sanctimonious IBWT nonsense

 

[venecol]

These are generated automatically anytime an entry is posted on the site. It's not at the forefront of my thoughts until it shows up and/or someone like yourself replies to it.

Automatically? You're using AI to write these articles?

 

[Ian]

Automatically? You're using AI to write these articles?

No, the @PatsFans.com Article user is attached to the RSS feed for the blog. Every time a blog entry is posted (whether I write one, or Steve, Mark, Bob, Russ, Robert, etc), a forum post is generated with the link to it.

 

[lancerman]

It's not that simple.

It's do you want to have a complete overhaul of your organization ? Do you want to adopt his culture? Do you want to do all that he wants for a short term rental? Because in 3 years max, he's going fishing in Nantucket. If you're a GM or a team president, do you want to work for Bill? Does Bill want to only answer to the owner? If so, the GM and President are hiring a boss, one that is not the team owner and one that's not going to be here for long.

The other layer is : Does Bill still have it. Tom Brady left and, clearly, he'd had enough of Bill. His team went backwards the last 3 years. More importantly, Robert Kraft didn't want Bill anymore. If I am an owner, I take that into consideration big time.

Coach? Sure. GM? Probably not.

Yeah. I think there's something very relevant about the notion that hiring Bill means ripping apart every fabric of the team for 3 years so Bill can attempt to establish a culture that was already fading with the Patriots. You also can't trust that it gets sustained post Bill. Like others have said, his coaching tree kinda sucks (probably my biggest hesitation with Mayo) and you run the risk of it being set up for one of those bumble****s to get the reigns and tank the team (if Bill even gets them off the ground).

There's just a lot working against him for any hire. Even if you are the Cowboys, why would you want to get rid of all the **** that got them this far. Unless you are almost guaranteed a Super Bowl, you're basically disrupting everything that is working for Bill.

 

[Boomer B]

One of the issues Bill faces is who he would bring with him. The Owners/GMs/Coaches all talk to each other and you can bet there is a lot of dislike for Patricia, Judge, and Josh around the league. They left a pretty bad taste in Detroit, Denver, New York, Vegas. The players on those teams hated them, the press didn’t like them, and it all ended badly for them.

So now a team hiring Bill is gonna bring in the likely combination of Patricia, Judge, and Josh? How much ego can 1 team have?

 

[upstater1]

The other part is that Slowik doesn't have enough juice to get control of the personnel side or bring in his own GM, so McKay and company get to keep their jobs with him.

Right, but unless Blank is dumb, I don't see how such an argument is even making it into the conversation. He can always rehire whoever he wants at the end of Belichick. I think, rather, that there is instead an argument they've made that Belichick isn't going to coach well, or he's bringing Patricia with him, etc. This to me is the weightier argument that anyone might make, rather than anything to do with what might happen in year 4.

 

[venecol]

So nothing is happening in ATL until next week since they're conducting 2nd interviews w/ Glen & Johnson after Sunday's games. Second interviews also scheduled w/ Harbaugh, MacDonald and Weaver. Interview with Vrabel is this week. It sounds very strange that they're conducting 2nd interviews with 8 out of the 14 candidates. Typically, a short list is 3 to 5 candidates. It could just be that some of the initial interviews were via zoom and they want an in person one as well.

One Interview conducted:
Joe Brady, OC
Brian Johnson, DC
Ejiro Evero, DC
Steve Wilks, DC
Brian Callahan, OC (hired)

Pending:
Mike Vrabel, ex-HC

Had or will have 2 interviews:
Bill Belichick, ex-HC
Jim Harbaugh, HC (LAC top candidate)
Ben Johnson, OC
Bobby Slowick, OC
Raheem Morris, DC
Aaron Glenn, DC
Mike MacDonald, DC
Anthony Weaver, DL, AHC


Bill is still the odds on favorite to land the job.

Next Falcons Coach	Odds
Bill Belichick (ex Patriots HC)	+150
Jim Harbaugh (Michigan HC)	+425
Raheem Morris (Rams DC)	+500
Ben Johnson (Lions OC)	+750
Mike Macdonald (Ravens DC)	+800
Bobby Slowik (Texans OC)	+1000
The Field	+750

 

[UrbanCowboy]

What I find striking about the last 5 years of Bill's tenure is seemingly how little he thought about or planned for his own succession. Historically, he was always looking ahead to the future, and it's like he just stopped when it came to his own future.

 

[lancerman]

What I find striking about the last 5 years of Bill's tenure is seemingly how little he thought about or planned for his own succession. Historically, he was always looking ahead to the future, and it's like he just stopped when it came to his own future.

Personally I think he was in self preservation mode the last few years. After Brady left, we started seeing him make uncharacteristic excuses that you just wouldn't hear before like saying we sold out to get a few more runs with Tom, or that cap was an issue in 2020, or that people should feel positive because of his last 20 years. Just a lot of looking backwards and deflecting.

So I kinda subscribe to the belief that he never wanted to commit to a real rebuild because he didn't think New England would tolerate a few losing seasons. But then the same problems crept back up and the bottom fell out from under everything. So he never really was in a mode for thinking beyond getting to the next season. I also do think they sniffed their own farts a lot and thought they could win if you just got a league average QB and their system would make them look like stars and then found out that having an elite guy covered some of their flaws that they overlooked through the years.

 

[upstater1]

I think there's also something to be said for him not being like Parcells. When Parcells took over a franchise, he coached it, bought the groceries, but also left a culture that would be successful for a while after him. If owners thought they were getting that with Bill, I think he'd be having an easier time finding his next spot.

??

Where did Parcells leave a culture?

 

[upstater1]

What I find striking about the last 5 years of Bill's tenure is seemingly how little he thought about or planned for his own succession. Historically, he was always looking ahead to the future, and it's like he just stopped when it came to his own future.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

After the 2021 debacle in the playoffs, he clearly went about rebuilding the defense and making it faster. To me this screams longterm.

Even the pick of Gonzalez and Keion White is a longterm move. He could've done much more expedient moves to fill needs.