Belichick’s Trade Value.

[PATS16N0]

People seem to have a really bad memory of the early 2000's Pats teams.

I think that was the era where a lot of people didn’t watch Patriot games until the playoffs, so they’re more likely to listen to Shannon Sharpe tell them Tom used to secretly suck.

2007 is likely when people started watching regular season games more.

 

[50-yard-line]

This is a Patriots forum. If someone wants to rewrite Brady’s history as a low quality “game manager” despite it being so factually wrong, they should be all kinds of prepared for the disdainful corrections that come.

Hey numbnuts, I put game manager in quotes because that’s what the idiots who were constantly downplaying Brady kept calling him.

I’m talking about perception around the old guard (who slobbered over Archie’s kid) were saying, not offering my opinion of Brady, which from the get-go was very very high.

 

[PATS16N0]

Hey numbnuts, I put game manager in quotes because that’s what the idiots who were constantly downplaying Brady kept calling him.

I’m talking about perception around the old guard (who slobbered over Archie’s kid) were saying, not offering my opinion of Brady, which from the get-go was very very high.

Whoops. My bad. I misread that after reading all the stupid ****-tier posts before it. My bad my bad.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Bill isn’t getting traded. I just don’t see it happening. That’s not something that is really done in New England anymore. We don’t get assets in return for ours. Bill may hang ‘em up, he may leave or once the stench of this season wears off and the offseason begins, two powerful men will get together and decide it won’t be worth the effort for either one to start over and give it another go with some small changes made. Bill staying isn’t what I want to see happen but I could see it happening and can understand why that decision may ultimately be made. It’s unfortunate that their isn’t a great answer waiting in the wings if they do decide to move on. No big name coach available to swing for the fences to sign. If they do start over, it’s going to be ugly for a while. Then again it already has been.

 

[PATS16N0]

My reasoning for thinking a trade is not only possible but inching towards likely:

Belichick wants Shula’s record, wants to contend, would obviously love to win a Super Bowl without Brady.
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Kraft deciding he wants a clean slate. No more HC/GM combo for awhile, etc.
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Kraft doesn’t want to fire Belichick
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Kraft doesn’t want to pay Belichick’s contract after “a mutual parting of ways.”

The only way out of this seems to be to let Belichick sort of shop himself to teams he’s be willing to do it with, who will take his contract, give us some draft picks, and avoid a potential “firing”

 

[Love The Drake]

My reasoning for thinking a trade is not only possible but inching towards likely:

Belichick wants Shula’s record, wants to contend, would obviously love to win a Super Bowl without Brady.
+
Kraft deciding he wants a clean slate. No more HC/GM combo for awhile, etc.
+
Kraft doesn’t want to fire Belichick
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Kraft doesn’t want to pay Belichick’s contract after “a mutual parting of ways.”

The only way out of this seems to be to let Belichick sort of shop himself to teams he’s be willing to do it with, who will take his contract, give us some draft picks, and avoid a potential “firing”

Been thinking this as well.

Chargers, Giants, Bears, Commanders.
If we get a bidding war going we could get a second.

 

[PATS16N0]

When people say Tom was a “game manager” in his early career and nobody considered him elite.

 

[TheRainMaker]

When people say Tom was a “game manager” in his early career and nobody considered him elite.

This was MNF against the Vikings in 2006 if nobody noticed.

Good find. Now you can drop the mic.

 

[PATS16N0]

 

[PatsFan2]

Been thinking this as well.

Chargers, Giants, Bears, Commanders.
If we get a bidding war going we could get a second.

Are the Cardinals with Murray out of it even the Raiders??

 

[PatsFan2]

Been thinking this as well.

Chargers, Giants, Bears, Commanders.
If we get a bidding war going we could get a second.

I could see any of those Teams parting with a Second Rounder for BB. We double dip @QB for good measures knowing how tough it is to hit at the position.

 

[Love The Drake]

Are the Cardinals with Murray out of it even the Raiders??

The Caridnals just hired their coach they will give him a second season.
The Raiders no matter what Tom says he does not want Bill there.

 

[p8ryts]

PIPE DREAMS!!!!

 

[captain stone]

When people say Tom was a “game manager” in his early career and nobody considered him elite.

Tony Kornhole, Sewer Yorker... He sure changed his tune the following year, in Bawlmore...

 

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When people say Tom was a “game manager” in his early career and nobody considered him elite.

And a lot of idiots said it. I found an ESPN ranking of current QBs in 2010 that had Brady 3rd behind Brees and Manning - and the note on Brady started with: "Many will think this is way too high, but..."

2010 and they were still doubting.
No doubt in my mind, the SECOND run (14-18) sealed GOAT status.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

And a lot of idiots said it. I found an ESPN ranking of current QBs in 2010 that had Brady 3rd behind Brees and Manning - and the note on Brady started with: "Many will think this is way too high, but..."

2010 and they were still doubting.
No doubt in my mind, the SECOND run (14-18) sealed GOAT status.

Yes coming off his ACL surgery and worst season as a pro in 2009, his stock was lower entering 2010, whereas the two above him just had MVP seasons and faced off in the previous Super Bowl. But let’s take that random ESPN snapshot ranking over the unanimous MVP award at the end of the season and a decade of accolades.

Who was the NFL 2000s first team quarterback, which was also announced that year?

You’re now shifting your argument from “Brady wasn’t considered to be that great” to “Brady wasn’t granted universal GOAT recognition.”

 

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Yes coming off his ACL surgery and worst season as a pro in 2009, his stock was lower entering 2010, whereas the two above him just had MVP seasons and faced off in the previous Super Bowl. But let’s take that random ESPN snapshot ranking over the unanimous MVP award at the end of the season and a decade of accolades.

Who was the NFL 2000s first team quarterback, which was also announced that year?

You’re now shifting your argument from “Brady wasn’t considered to be that great” to “Brady wasn’t granted universal GOAT recognition.”

My “argument” was that Brady being drafted by the Colts would barely, if ever, have seen the field on his rookie deal. That’s what started all this.

I stand by that. Talent requires opportunity. Brady wasn’t considered great in his first couple of seasons. And he wasn’t considered better than Manning for several years by many.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

My “argument” was that Brady being drafted by the Colts would barely, if ever, have seen the field on his rookie deal. That’s what started all this.

Which is an absurd point. What if Dan Marino were drafted by the 49ers in 1983? What if Peyton Manning were drafted by the Packers in 1998? What if Joe Burrow were drafted by the Chiefs in 2020?

Tom Brady was drafted by one of the worst teams in football, with one of the worst offenses in football, and a quarterback who recently given a long term extension making him the highest paid QB in league history.

Your theoretical has basically already been answered. Brady did get drafted into a situation where being a successful starter was as improbable as it gets. The WhAT aBoUt ThE cOLtS tHoUgH has never made any sense.

I stand by that. Talent requires opportunity. Brady wasn’t considered great in his first couple of seasons.

Your stubbornness is astounding. You’ve been provided evidence to the contrary. This is like your circular arguments about Jonnu Smith being a good signing.

And he wasn’t considered better than Manning for several years by many.

He was by Patriots fans, who knew how great he was, and realized comparing statistics between the two is pointless given their supporting casts and responsibilities. Sorry you were way behind the curve. Clearly you’ve remained there.

 

[PATS16N0]

Which is an absurd point. What if Dan Marino were drafted by the 49ers in 1983? What if Peyton Manning were drafted by the Packers in 1998? What if Joe Burrow were drafted by the Chiefs in 2020?

Tom Brady was drafted by one of the worst teams in football, with one of the worst offenses in football, and a quarterback who recently given a long term extension making him the highest paid QB in league history.

Your theoretical has basically already been answered. Brady did get drafted into a situation where being a successful starter was as improbable as it gets. The WhAT aBoUt ThE cOLtS tHoUgH has never made any sense.

Your stubbornness is astounding. You’ve been provided evidence to the contrary. This is like your circular arguments about Jonnu Smith being a good signing.

He was by Patriots fans, who knew how great he was, and realized comparing statistics between the two is pointless given their supporting casts and responsibilities. Sorry you were way behind the curve. Clearly you’ve remained there.

Ian should just frame this and put it somewhere prominently on the forum since it so ****ing decisively annihilates the Dr. Who multiverse arguments.

 

[50-yard-line]

Which is an absurd point. What if Dan Marino were drafted by the 49ers in 1983? What if Peyton Manning were drafted by the Packers in 1998? What if Joe Burrow were drafted by the Chiefs in 2020?

Tom Brady was drafted by one of the worst teams in football, with one of the worst offenses in football, and a quarterback who recently given a long term extension making him the highest paid QB in league history.

Your theoretical has basically already been answered. Brady did get drafted into a situation where being a successful starter was as improbable as it gets. The WhAT aBoUt ThE cOLtS tHoUgH has never made any sense.

Your stubbornness is astounding. You’ve been provided evidence to the contrary. This is like your circular arguments about Jonnu Smith being a good signing.

He was by Patriots fans, who knew how great he was, and realized comparing statistics between the two is pointless given their supporting casts and responsibilities. Sorry you were way behind the curve. Clearly you’ve remained there.

Seriously, wtf is your problem?

Aside from shallow thinking, I mean.

In your hypotheticals, you are talking about first round picks - those guys aren’t picked with any expectation of being back-ups for any length of time. Can you say the same about Brady? Of course not. He might have been a UDFA pickup. In every great success story, there is an element of luck and timing, and the only people who don’t get that have never experienced it.

To point 2, credit Belichick after Bledsoe got hurt. Doesn’t change a thing about anything I said. Brady got the call and made good on it. Had he gone to the Colts (note the proper capitalization you inane twit), unless Manning got hurt, which he didn’t for like a dozen plus years, he wouldn’t have seen the field through his rookie deal. If that hurts your feelings, you’ve got deeper problems.

Jonnu Smith, by the way, is having the kind of year he should have had here.

And after you take that much-needed reading comprehension course, reread what I said, which never offered my opinion of Brady. After his performance in the first SB, there’s no one I would have rather had.

And the worst thing Kraft ever did was let Brady leave. Even if his play had fallen off a cliff, he should never have worn a different uniform (from the organization’s point of view).

Now, use the ignore button.