Belichick’s Trade Value.

[IcyPatriot]

I am of the firm belief that Belichick has a no trade clause in his contract.
Where he goes will be up to him ... If he stays of course up to Kraft or mutually.
With their cap space ... it is a great time to part ways ...

 

[FCB02062]

about a bag of footballs and some lacrosse sticks

 

[PATS16N0]

Actually he was. There was Brady vs Manning debates every time they went head to head in their early years beating his teams 5 straight times. Tom had 3 rings by 2004 and had the most rings of any QB currently in the NFL by his 4th year as a starter. To think Tom was just some random dude during those years either has a really bad memory or just flat out being disingenuous.

The media was really getting on Manning and the Colts because they kept losing to Brady and the Pats. The rivalry got very heated and took a turn by 2005 when the Colts poured it on the Pats on MNF.

I don’t think some of these people watched Patriot games back then.

 

[PATS16N0]

I am of the firm belief that Belichick has a no trade clause in his contract.
Where he goes will be up to him ... If he stays of course up to Kraft or mutually.
With their cap space ... it is a great time to part ways ...

The no-trade clause prevents him from being traded against his will. The entire scenario is dependent on all parties having interest. Team X wanting him, him seeing the potential in trade X, Kraft getting compensation, not having to pay him, and not having to fire him.

 

[Boomer B]

I am of the firm belief that Belichick has a no trade clause in his contract.
Where he goes will be up to him ... If he stays of course up to Kraft or mutually.
With their cap space ... it is a great time to part ways ...

You guys realize that coaches can’t be traded like players right? It’s not like Kraft can call Bill tomorrow and tell him that he’s been traded to the Jets.

The only way you can get compensation for a coach is if he’s let out of a contract to go somewhere else.

 

[50-yard-line]

I don’t think some of these people watched Patriot games back then.

Yeah, sure pal. I've been watching the Pats since Plunkett to Vataha was a thing. The Pats won all the early match-ups with the Colts with Brady v Manning and BB game-planning and the DEFENSE were getting all the credit (at least one game with 2 pick-6's and the 4 pick game...Brady was efficient, was great in at least one, but he wasn't getting the credit.

Go look at the voting for MVP and OPY. Brady wasn't in the conversation until 2005 - Manning had won MVP twice. That's what I was talking about. I'm not rewriting history and I'm not dissing Brady. For the first 2-3 years (note that I said "couple" in the earlier post), he wasn't being given the accolades anywhere near to Peyton and some others. Belichick was and that defense were, and the gutsy "game manager" was quietly just winning.

Again, just go look at the voting, MVP and OPOY. You don't see Brady's name until 2005, I believe.

 

[sb1]

Yeah, sure pal. I've been watching the Pats since Plunkett to Vataha was a thing. The Pats won all the early match-ups with the Colts with Brady v Manning and BB game-planning and the DEFENSE were getting all the credit (at least one game with 2 pick-6's and the 4 pick game...Brady was efficient, was great in at least one, but he wasn't getting the credit.

Go look at the voting for MVP and OPY. Brady wasn't in the conversation until 2005 - Manning had won MVP twice. That's what I was talking about. I'm not rewriting history and I'm not dissing Brady. For the first 2-3 years (note that I said "couple" in the earlier post), he wasn't being given the accolades anywhere near to Peyton and some others. Belichick was and that defense were, and the gutsy "game manager" was quietly just winning.

Again, just go look at the voting, MVP and OPOY. You don't see Brady's name until 2005, I believe.

Brady was 3rd in 2003 in MVP voting with 8 votes so I'd say he was in the conversation already. Technically got the second most votes since McNair and Peyton were co MVP. Another 3rd in 2005 with 10 votes. Brady didn't get any votes in 2004 because Peyton had that record breaking season and he was 1 short of unanimous.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I am of the firm belief that Belichick has a no trade clause in his contract.
Where he goes will be up to him ... If he stays of course up to Kraft or mutually.
With their cap space ... it is a great time to part ways ...

I don’t think he can be traded since he’s the GM. It’s a conflict of interest in itself. He would need to be removed from his role as GM first, and then an interim GM would need to negotiate a trade. So yes, it’s basically a no trade cause by its nature.

 

[50-yard-line]

Brady was 3rd in 2003 in MVP voting with 8 votes so I'd say he was in the conversation already. Technically got the second most votes since McNair and Peyton were co MVP. Another 3rd in 2005 with 10 votes. Brady didn't get any votes in 2004 because Peyton had that record breaking season and he was 1 short of unanimous.

Okay, so when I said a "couple years," I must deserve scorn from the Bradystan crowd, I guess. 2001, 2002...couple. And even in 2003, he wasn't a leading contender for the MVP.

And even then, in 2003, he wasn't being talked about as "generational" - Manning was, and was winning MVPs, which is why I said at the beginning that if he had been drafted by the Colts, he wouldn't have seen the field through his rookie deal, which he wouldn't have.

 

[PATS16N0]

Yeah, sure pal. I've been watching the Pats since Plunkett to Vataha was a thing. The Pats won all the early match-ups with the Colts with Brady v Manning and BB game-planning and the DEFENSE were getting all the credit (at least one game with 2 pick-6's and the 4 pick game...Brady was efficient, was great in at least one, but he wasn't getting the credit.

Go look at the voting for MVP and OPY. Brady wasn't in the conversation until 2005 - Manning had won MVP twice. That's what I was talking about. I'm not rewriting history and I'm not dissing Brady. For the first 2-3 years (note that I said "couple" in the earlier post), he wasn't being given the accolades anywhere near to Peyton and some others. Belichick was and that defense were, and the gutsy "game manager" was quietly just winning.

Again, just go look at the voting, MVP and OPOY. You don't see Brady's name until 2005, I believe.

Cool story, bro.

 

[PATS16N0]

The “Brady was carried by his defense” schtick was a pathetic media narrative perpetrated by an NFL that had prematurely knighted Manning the best QB ever and needed a cope because Brady kept ****ing smashing him and winning Superbowls despite being drafted 199.

You’re an idiot and a Colts narrative shill.

 

[PATS16N0]

Periodic reminder that nobody had to move the chains against elite playoff defenses to win an “MVP.” They had to have fat old journalists vote for them in a popularity contest.

STFU about MVPs. Everyone knows Brady got ****ed out of about five of them at least.

 

[captain stone]

Mister Spanos? Bill Belichick's agent on the line...

 

[Vindicate]

The “Brady was carried by his defense” schtick was a pathetic media narrative perpetrated by an NFL that had prematurely knighted Manning the best QB ever and needed a cope because Brady kept ****ing smashing him and winning Superbowls despite being drafted 199.

You’re an idiot and a Colts narrative shill.

************, you need to calm down. You're getting to a point where, even if you make a solid argument, it's draped in unceasing doom and annoying prods at those who don't agree. Nobody is gonna wanna listen. And before the whole "oh boohoo you can't criticize here," get real - plenty here do it and keep it kosher.

 

[FCB02062]

zero point zero

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Okay, so when I said a "couple years," I must deserve scorn from the Bradystan crowd, I guess. 2001

Pro bowl, Super Bowl MVP

, 2002

Led league in TD passes with middling supporting cast

...couple. And even in 2003, he wasn't a leading contender for the MVP.

Yet he finished 3rd in MVP voting

And even then, in 2003, he wasn't being talked about as "generational"

Basically a Hall of Fame lock after SB39.

- Manning was, and was winning MVPs, which is why I said at the beginning that if he had been drafted by the Colts

Which is a silly theoretical…why would he have been drafted by the Colts? Here’s one: he gets drafted by the Rams in 2000 and then Kurt Warner blows his ACL. No, he gets drafted by the Ravens and they win 3 SBs with that historic defense. All these theoreticals just silly ways of making illogical points.

, he wouldn't have seen the field through his rookie deal, which he wouldn't have.

Don’t forget if he got hit by a delivery truck in 1998 he probably doesn’t even get drafted.

Cool story, bro. Now do: how would Manning have done early in his career throwing to Troy Brown, David Patten, and Daniel Graham instead of Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark?

Yeah I get why you don’t like to look at things that way.

 

[Biffins]

Belichick is literally the GM.

Considering his track record as GM recently, he might give himself away for free as a coach..........

 

[TheRainMaker]

Pro bowl, Super Bowl MVP

Led league in TD passes with middling supporting cast

Yet he finished 3rd in MVP voting

Basically a Hall of Fame lock after SB39.

Which is a silly theoretical…why would he have been drafted by the Colts? Here’s one: he gets drafted by the Rams in 2000 and then Kurt Warner blows his ACL. No, he gets drafted by the Ravens and they win 3 SBs with that historic defense. All these theoreticals just silly ways of making illogical points.

Don’t forget if he got hit by a delivery truck in 1998 he probably doesn’t even get drafted.

Cool story, bro. Now do: how would Manning have done early in his career throwing to Troy Brown, David Patten, and Daniel Graham instead of Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark?

Yeah I get why you don’t like to look at things that way.

 

[TheRainMaker]

People seem to have a really bad memory of the early 2000's Pats teams.

 

[PATS16N0]

************, you need to calm down. You're getting to a point where, even if you make a solid argument, it's draped in unceasing doom and annoying prods at those who don't agree. Nobody is gonna wanna listen. And before the whole "oh boohoo you can't criticize here," get real - plenty here do it and keep it kosher.

This is a Patriots forum. If someone wants to rewrite Brady’s history as a low quality “game manager” despite it being so factually wrong, they should be all kinds of prepared for the disdainful corrections that come.