If you were Kraft and this season doesn’t improve, do you move on from Bill after this season?

[Rob0729]

Not gonna stop dude - Cam had Izzo as his best TE and Mac had Henry (9TDs Mac's rookie year). C'mon. Cam had to use his legs for the 12 rushing TDs because he had no Red Zone threat like Henry.

Honestly - imagine this year no Henry nor Giskecki but just Izzo - I mean f'd would Mac and the Pats be right now?

He had James White who had 5 receiving TDs in 2019 and 7 receiving TDs in 2018. He had one receiving TD in 2020 ( a career low other than his rookie season where he barely played).

But Cam's lack of weapons isn't why he was just a RB who could pass in close to half his games.

 

[Jim Beankie]

He had James White who had 5 receiving TDs in 2019 and 7 receiving TDs in 2018. He had one receiving TD in 2020 ( a career low other than his rookie season where he barely played).

But Cam's lack of weapons isn't why he was just a RB who could pass in close to half his games.

Sweet Feet is nice and all, but doesn't make up for a lack of a TE or non undrafted WRs / N'Keal.

Edit: Nice counterpoint, btw.

 

[upstater1]

My guess is that Belichick would only go to a place like the Chargers. He wants to go to a place where everything is almost in place to be a contender. I doubt he would want to go somewhere where he has to a major rebuild. And he certainly isn't going to the Jets no matter how much is in place for him there.

He might go to the Jets. Giants are in play if Daboll really craps the bed. Commaders is a good setup with an oncoming defense. Cowboys have a nice setup too. Agree he wouldn't go to Rams, Bears or Bucs.

 

[upstater1]

It seems like some people are focusing on Joe Biden's decline with age, yet they fail to acknowledge that Bill Belichick is also getting older. At 70 years old, it is unreasonable to use his performance in his early 50s as a measure of his current abilities.

As the saying goes, "The seeds of failure are grown during the good times," and the Patriots serve as a prime example. Belichick runs the team in a way that is typical of many business owners from his generation. His ego seems to dictate everything, including hiring his unqualified children and surrounding himself with yes-men. It's time for him to start considering a new approach, one that is more inclusive and open to diverse perspectives.

So, what do you think of McDermott in Buffalo? It's his way or the highway. That's how he runs it. Andy Reid controls everything himself. He's 65, employs his family. Belichick isn't even the oldest coach in football.

I'll throw one more at you: the consensus best coach, if it isn't Andy Reid, is Kyle Shanahan. A guy who got his start in the NFL with Jon Gruden, who was Kyle's father's disciple back in San Francisco in the early 1990s before Mike S. moved on to take the Denver job.

I'm not a fan of Patriot nepotism either, but Belichick is hardly unique here. The entire league seems to operate this way.

 

[upstater1]

I pointed out that same take a while back poor due diligence by BB if he knew about Juju's knees. BB should have just slept on the extra cap $$$$ like he's use to.

How can you say this? We talked about his knees in the very thread in which he was signed. The whole reason JuJu went to KC was because of his knees, he came cheap. We all knew this. JuJu hasn't hurt his knees between KC and signing with the Patriots. There was no due diligence to be done because everyone knew what he did to his knee at Pittsburgh. Then he went on to have a very good season at KC and he didn't reinjure himself.

This was pointed out in the thread on his signing.

You were very much in favor of signing him despite knowledge of the knee issue, which predated his signing by more than 18 months.

 

[Rob0729]

A TD is a TD and

He might go to the Jets. Giants are in play if Daboll really craps the bed. Commaders is a good setup with an oncoming defense. Cowboys have a nice setup too. Agree he wouldn't go to Rams, Bears or Bucs.

I think Belichick would rather coach a semi-pro team in Alaska than coach the Jets. He hates that organization.

 

[Sciz]

I'll throw one more at you: the consensus best coach, if it isn't Andy Reid, is Kyle Shanahan. A guy who got his start in the NFL with Jon Gruden, who was Kyle's father's disciple back in San Francisco in the early 1990s before Mike S. moved on to take the Denver job.

Same thing with McVay. In 1990, Jon Gruden’s first NFL job was with the 49ers and GM John McVay (Sean’s grandfather). Then 18 years later, Sean McVay’s first NFL job was with the Bucs and HC Jon Gruden.

 

[Toofy]

Mac is a problem I agree. But I just think he was setup to fail . He tried to do more than what he could and miserably failed. It's like gambling where you think of punting next time to come a winner but sadly it wasn't Mac's day.

Am I absolving mac of the blame. Absolutely not !! But there are bigger fish to fry and that is Bill Belichick and his offensive Offense drafting, free agency and total lack of focus there. No QB even mahomes can save us from this mess.

We just need to play with young guns this season and next to recoup some draft gems in 2024 and 2025 draft and start contending then.

Just drafting a high pick QB is not going to help us if we don't fix offensive line and receiving room. I think we can mitigate the disaster at OL and WR by playing the rookies and allowing them to grow so that we get 2 WR to shine this year and 3 OL to be the fulcrum for next year. That way draft needs become limited. Playing Parker and JuJu is criminal at this point.

 

[RodThePat]

How can you say this? We talked about his knees in the very thread in which he was signed. The whole reason JuJu went to KC was because of his knees, he came cheap. We all knew this. JuJu hasn't hurt his knees between KC and signing with the Patriots. There was no due diligence to be done because everyone knew what he did to his knee at Pittsburgh. Then he went on to have a very good season at KC and he didn't reinjure himself.

This was pointed out in the thread on his signing.

You were very much in favor of signing him despite knowledge of the knee issue, which predated his signing by more than 18 months.

He did reinjure the knee in the AFC Championship Game.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

So, what do you think of McDermott in Buffalo? It's his way or the highway. That's how he runs it. Andy Reid controls everything himself. He's 65, employs his family. Belichick isn't even the oldest coach in football.

I'll throw one more at you: the consensus best coach, if it isn't Andy Reid, is Kyle Shanahan. A guy who got his start in the NFL with Jon Gruden, who was Kyle's father's disciple back in San Francisco in the early 1990s before Mike S. moved on to take the Denver job.

I'm not a fan of Patriot nepotism either, but Belichick is hardly unique here. The entire league seems to operate this way.

The NFL for years has had sons and sons of sons getting jobs in the NFL. Let's face it, if your father was a coach or GM in some capacity in the NFL when you were growing up and were around it all the time and loved football, any one of us would have followed in their footsteps in some capacity. Nothing wrong with that. Same thing in other areas of employment, your father or grandfather has a business, you like it and start learning as a kid, so you end up going into the business. It's just the way the world works.

 

[SteveBsFan]

So, what do you think of McDermott in Buffalo? It's his way or the highway. That's how he runs it. Andy Reid controls everything himself. He's 65, employs his family. Belichick isn't even the oldest coach in football.

I'll throw one more at you: the consensus best coach, if it isn't Andy Reid, is Kyle Shanahan. A guy who got his start in the NFL with Jon Gruden, who was Kyle's father's disciple back in San Francisco in the early 1990s before Mike S. moved on to take the Denver job.

I'm not a fan of Patriot nepotism either, but Belichick is hardly unique here. The entire league seems to operate this way.

And it’s not even the Pats issue. All his kids are on the defensive side of the field which has been very solid.

The best in the league? No. But pretty damn good considering how many points the offense spots the opposing team, how they’re always playing from behind, and how the offense can’t dominate the time of possession battle which a short pass team should be doing.

We witnessed that vs NYJ where the offense just flat out relied on the defense to win the game after their first drive of the second half. Best drive was 3:27 long.

I mean this nepo argument would be more valid if his kids were running this **** show of an offense

 

[upstater1]

A TD is a TD and



I think Belichick would rather coach a semi-pro team in Alaska than coach the Jets. He hates that organization.

Nothing would help his resume more than taking the forever hapless Jets to their first Super Bowl in half a century.

 

[Rob0729]

Nothing would help his resume more than taking the forever hapless Jets to their first Super Bowl in half a century.

Maybe, but Belichick hates the franchise with a passion. I think he would rather see the Jets go another 50 plus years without another Super Bowl than be responsible for them breaking the drought.

 

[moosekill]

Not all teams have a WR1. That would make the WR2 level talent WR1. On the Pats, Meyers would have been the WR1.

Nope, marginal 2 at best and probably a good three. Great wr's score touchdowns. He doesn't.

 

[moosekill]

So Arch you don't think it is important for great wide receivers to score? He is an ok wr, a nice one, he is in no way, on no team a great wide receiver. You can argue he is better than his replacement, but no one is call JUJU a #1 wr either, maybe a #2 if you squint a bit. Neither take over a game, neither scares other teams defenses. They are both good options. Good wr's aren't #1's they are #2's or #3's

 

[captain stone]

There were a few of us that didn't like the Juju Meyers swap at the time. Me being one of them.

Neither did I, at all.

 

[captain stone]

He did reinjure the knee in the AFC Championship Game.

And then sat in a pressurized cabin for hours at a time...

 

[Brady6]

So, what do you think of McDermott in Buffalo? It's his way or the highway. That's how he runs it. Andy Reid controls everything himself. He's 65, employs his family. Belichick isn't even the oldest coach in football.

I'll throw one more at you: the consensus best coach, if it isn't Andy Reid, is Kyle Shanahan. A guy who got his start in the NFL with Jon Gruden, who was Kyle's father's disciple back in San Francisco in the early 1990s before Mike S. moved on to take the Denver job.

I'm not a fan of Patriot nepotism either, but Belichick is hardly unique here. The entire league seems to operate this way.

Who has take the highway out of Buffalo? KC has a general manager so I’m not sure how Reid controls everything. Reid’s son works on the strength and conditioning staff his other son is or was in prison. Shanahan started his cosching career as a graduate student at UCLA and wasn’t on his father staff until he had established himself in the NFL under multiple other head coaches.

I am not trying to be rude but you seem like you are just making stuff up with nothing to substainiate it.

 

[captain stone]

What teams would Belichick take over if he's fired from the Patriots?

Bears? Chargers? Jets? Giants? Rams? Cowboys? Commanders? Bucs?

Giants.

I could see the Bears, if the Giants are committed to Daboll. A lot of history there, which Bill would like.

My guess is that Belichick would only go to a place like the Chargers. He wants to go to a place where everything is almost in place to be a contender. I doubt he would want to go somewhere where he has to a major rebuild. And he certainly isn't going to the Jets no matter how much is in place for him there.

He might go to the Jets. Giants are in play if Daboll really craps the bed. Commaders is a good setup with an oncoming defense. Cowboys have a nice setup too. Agree he wouldn't go to Rams, Bears or Bucs.

NO TEAM is hiring Billy, at his age and Especially with what I'm quite sure will be his demand of total control.

He is no longer fit to be an NFL GM... And the rest of the league knows it.

 

[upstater1]

Who has take the highway out of Buffalo? KC has a general manager so I’m not sure how Reid controls everything. Reid’s son works on the strength and conditioning staff his other son is or was in prison. Shanahan started his cosching career as a graduate student at UCLA and wasn’t on his father staff until he had established himself in the NFL under multiple other head coaches.

I am not trying to be rude but you seem like you are just making stuff up with nothing to substainiate it.

Everything you wrote here is wrong. McDermott has absolute control and has had it from the beginning. Reid's son in prison was a coach with KC. I'm not talking about what Shanahan did as a student. I'm talking about his professional career which began under his father's disciple.