Update: Curran says Belichick has been on the hot seat since 2019

[Wozzy]

I don’t think you realize their importance and impact on a team

Invisible magic that only fanboys like you can see and aren’t visible in stats.

Got it….

 

[All3Phases]

Invisible magic that only fanboys like you can see and aren’t visible in stats.

Got it….

Huh? Aren’t visible in stats? Where have the patriots ranked in scoring over the last 20 years? Your entire argument is based on 2 players in a small window of years. Try the patriots for 20, and you’ll see the importance of the quarterback

 

[crawhammer]

@Ring 6 and @Wozzy insulting the **** out of one another (and everyone else in between)...

Anyone who disagrees with R6 is illiterate, a liar, or otherwise misrepresenting his comments.

Anyone who disagrees with Wozzy is a neanderthal or a childlike imbecile obsessed with superheroes.

...lol please continue.

 

[Wozzy]

Huh? Aren’t visible in stats? Where have the patriots ranked in scoring over the last 20 years? Your entire argument is based on 2 players in a small window of years. Try the patriots for 20, and you’ll see the importance of the quarterback

Drew Brees offensive rankings from 2014-2016 in points scored: 5th, 6th, 2nd.

He won 7 games three years in a row because his defense was ranked 32nd in preventing points.

QB’s don’t play defense... and pep talks in the world by the QB won’t cure bad.

This isn’t Rudy

 

[Wozzy]

@Ring 6 and @Wozzy insulting the **** out of one another (and everyone else in between)...

Anyone who disagrees with R6 is illiterate, a liar, or otherwise misrepresenting his comments.

Anyone who disagrees with Wozzy is a neanderthal or a childlike imbecile obsessed with superheroes.

...lol please continue.

Point to one insult I’ve hurled, I’ll wait?

 

[All3Phases]

Drew Brees offensive rankings from 2014-2016 in points scored: 5th, 6th, 2nd.

He won 7 games three years in a row because his defense was ranked 32nd in preventing points.

QB’s don’t play defense... and pep talks in the world by the QB won’t cure bad.

This isn’t Rudy

So you stick with Bree’s’ 3 year window yet ignore the Brady 20 year window? Odd. What was Brees’ career winning % and average offensive rank?

 

[Wozzy]

So you stick with Bree’s’ 3 year window yet ignore the Brady 20 year window? Odd. What was Brees’ career winning % and average offensive rank?

I'm asking you, Crawdaddy, Ring6 or any QB's are magic types to explain this paradox?

Brees offensive rankings from that three year window were 5th, 6th and 2nd in points scored.

His defensive rankings in points allowed was 31st, 32nd and 32nd.

Why did his team win 7 games for three years in a row with one of the best QB's and offenses in the league?

So far you guys have either chickened out by deflecting like you did in this ^ response above... or attributed it to an invisible "clutch gene" that's not visible in stats.

 

[Ring 6]

@Ring 6 and @Wozzy insulting the **** out of one another (and everyone else in between)...

Anyone who disagrees with R6 is illiterate, a liar, or otherwise misrepresenting his comments.

Anyone who disagrees with Wozzy is a neanderthal or a childlike imbecile obsessed with superheroes.

...lol please continue.

Not anyone.
You, when you claim I said things I didn’t are a liar.
I don’t think I’ve ever called anyone illiterate (example of your lying)
And of course when someone says “you said” then attributes something you didn’t say to you, your comments are benign misrepresented. It’s a common tactic.
Any more questions, liar?

 

[All3Phases]

I'm asking you, Crawdaddy, Ring6 or any QB's are magic types to explain this paradox?

Brees offensive rankings from that three year window were 5th, 6th and 2nd in points scored.

His defensive rankings in points allowed was 31st, 32nd and 32nd.

Why did his team win 7 games for three years in a row with one of the best QB's and offenses in the league?

So far you guys have either chickened out by deflecting like you did in this ^ response above... or attributed it to an invisible "clutch gene" that's not visible in stats.

What’s the paradox? How many games do they win without Brees? We know the patriots can’t win without Brady, so how important was he? Why can’t you explain that paradox?

You haven’t given me Brees career win % and where they ranked in points each year, along with Brady

 

[Ring 6]

Invisible magic that only fanboys like you can see and aren’t visible in stats.

Got it….

Do you think that stats are an unequivocal complete assessment of who is a better player?
How do you account for padding stats in garbage time in losses?

Now, seriously instead of going all crazy and answering about things I never said, arguing about things you argued with other people 9 years ago, let’s actually try to have a legitimate discussion.
Start with those 2 questions. They are not loaded questions.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm asking you, Crawdaddy, Ring6 or any QB's are magic types to explain this paradox?

Brees offensive rankings from that three year window were 5th, 6th and 2nd in points scored.

His defensive rankings in points allowed was 31st, 32nd and 32nd.

Why did his team win 7 games for three years in a row with one of the best QB's and offenses in the league?

So far you guys have either chickened out by deflecting like you did in this ^ response above... or attributed it to an invisible "clutch gene" that's not visible in stats.

What paradox?

Do you think someone is saying if Brees has the worst defense in the NFL he has to win more games than the guy with the best defense to be better? Really?

Again you bring up this bs “clutch gene” argument.

That’s not an argument anyone is making.
The argument is that 2 QBs with the same cumulative stats aren’t necessarily the same because some stats come when the game matters and others come in garbage time. It has nothing to do with genes it has to do with how they actually performed on the field.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm asking you, Crawdaddy, Ring6 or any QB's are magic types to explain this paradox?

Brees offensive rankings from that three year window were 5th, 6th and 2nd in points scored.

His defensive rankings in points allowed was 31st, 32nd and 32nd.

Why did his team win 7 games for three years in a row with one of the best QB's and offenses in the league?

So far you guys have either chickened out by deflecting like you did in this ^ response above... or attributed it to an invisible "clutch gene" that's not visible in stats.

By the way part of the disconnect here is you are limping me in with 2 people I disagree with on almost everything they say.

 

[Wozzy]

What’s the paradox? How many games do they win without Brees? We know the patriots can’t win without Brady, so how important was he? Why can’t you explain that paradox?

You haven’t given me Brees career win % and where they ranked in points each year, along with Brady

So you dodged the question... yet again.

 

[Wozzy]

By the way part of the disconnect here is you are limping me in with 2 people I disagree with on almost everything they say.

I'm not arguing their silly beliefs, I'm saying a QB can be among the best in the league and win single digit games and given multiple examples of that. It's not even an argument, it's been proven beyond all doubt.

And some invisible trait that supposedly allowed Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes to will their defenses to championship levels doesn't exist. Complementary football only goes so far. You want to win in the playoffs you need offense, defense and special teams... a magic QB isn't enough.

 

[All3Phases]

So you dodged the question again.

You just dodged my question 3 times. Explain the paradox as to how the patriots success without Brady is a shell if it’s former self with him? You’re saying he’s not important; so explain the paradox

 

[Wozzy]

Do you think that stats are an unequivocal complete assessment of who is a better player?
How do you account for padding stats in garbage time in losses?

Now, seriously instead of going all crazy and answering about things I never said, arguing about things you argued with other people 9 years ago, let’s actually try to have a legitimate discussion.
Start with those 2 questions. They are not loaded questions.

Brees didn't pad his stats in garbage time, he had to outscore opponents during that three year stretch to keep it close and did. His defense was simply too horrible.

You didn't go through every game log for all these seasons on other teams that we're talking about... be real.

 

[All3Phases]

Brees didn't pad his stats in garbage time, he had to outscore opponents during that three year stretch to keep it close and did. His defense was simply too horrible.

You didn't go through every game log for all these seasons on other teams that we're talking about... be real.

You’re literally comparing 11 guys to 1, yet don’t grasp the importance of the one LMAOOO

 

[Wozzy]

You just dodged my question 3 times. Explain the paradox as to how the patriots success without Brady is a shell if it’s former self with him? You’re saying he’s not important; so explain the paradox

Hardly a shell of itself. It's just more reminiscent of the early 2000's when the team was in its infant stages.

2020 was a cap clearing season, it was a bad team. It was a young team that filtered through a hundred free agents combing for talent. But they took a down year by design to clear bad contracts off the books and clear dead cap. BB is the GM of the team, he's not a player like Brady or LeBron James who can simply pack up and leave to the next superteam.

2021 they had a bunch of cap space and spent it, that doesn't mean they have a team. They had a collection of talent and a rookie QB. Tom didn't play as a rookie, he sat, watched and learned. They made the playoffs but ran out of gas at the end of the season.

2022 was the Patricia disaster. Who knows why it happened but it happened and never should have. It set their time table a year behind. But by all accounts they should be back on schedule this year and competitive again.

I never dodge your questions or anyone else's... you simply don't like my answers because it doesn't rely on one magical player who makes everything okay... because that's garbage. A QB is extremely important to offense but has very little to do with coaching, defense or special teams and football is made up of these things... whether you like it or not.

Drew Brees from 2014-2016 proves that... but you avoid examples like that like the plague.

 

[Wozzy]

You’re literally comparing 11 guys to 1, yet don’t grasp the importance of the one LMAOOO

This ^ is such a grammatical mess, I don't even know what it means?

It's just you dodging the question yet again...

 

[All3Phases]

Hardly a shell of itself. It's just more reminiscent of the early 2000's when the team was in its infant stages.

2020 was a cap clearing season, it was a bad team. It was a young team that filtered through a hundred free agents combing for talent. But they took a down year by design to clear bad contracts off the books and clear dead cap. BB is the GM of the team, he's not a player like Brady or LeBron James who can simply pack up and leave to the next superteam.

2021 they had a bunch of cap space and spent it, that doesn't mean they have a team. They had a collection of talent and a rookie QB. Tom didn't play as a rookie, he sat, watched and learned. They made the playoffs but ran out of gas at the end of the season.

2022 was the Patricia disaster. Who knows why it happened but it happened and never should have. It set their time table a year behind. But by all accounts they should be back on schedule this year and competitive again.

I never dodge your questions or anyone else's... you simply don't like my answers because it doesn't rely on one magical player who makes everything okay... because that's garbage. A QB is extremely important to offense but has very little to do with coaching, defense or special teams and football is made up of these things... whether you like it or not.

Drew Brees from 2014-2016 proves that... but you avoid examples like that like the plague.

No, it’s a shell of itself, the same guy has coached 10 years without Brady running his offense and has 1 playoff win: it shows you the importance of 1 player; explain the paradox