Deandre Hopkins Visiting Patriots Next Week

[n1997y]

Probably not.

language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content

We can agree that my posts commonly lack meaningful content?

Sorry man…that’s my domain.

there may be room for you both.
and others…

 

[Wozzy]

Reid was looking pretty stale in Philly which led to his firing. The KC offense had at one point Hunt at RB, Hill at WR and Kelce at TE, but we’re not a threat in the AFC with Smith at QB. Mahomes unlocked a new level for Andy Reid. In fact, he revitalized his career from a retread to the best HC in the NFL within the last several years.

You act like Mahomes drafted Reid.

 

[Wozzy]

The #1 weapon is Mahomes.

QB’s get the ball to weapons, they’re not weapons.

 

[slash83]

QB’s get the ball to weapons, they’re not weapons.

Wow.

 

[captain stone]

I am a retired Somerville FF for 33 years. Stationed and served out of of Broadway station many years

Thanks for your lifetime of service. I'm sure there must've been some moments...

That area got gobbled up when 93 got built.

Yep, damn shame... Environmental- & health-impact studies were ignored along the way too...

If you lived in a 2 decker back then. You were royalty

Yeah I remember walking on Pennsylvania Avenue and seeing those 2-deckers and thinking they were mansions.

I knew there was a reason I liked you

And I thought it was for my insightful football anal-ysis...

grew up in North Dorchester, and taught school there. Bought my first home in Somerville. I know all about those places and you are right. Both those place you could find pretty much what you needed within walking distance. When we moved to Brookline from Dorchester, My Mother still bought all her fruits and veggies back on Blue Hill Ave..

We would walk with our mom from Ronan Street to Columbia Road then south on it to Uphams Corner, where there was an Elm Farm supermarket including its fascinating (to me) lobster tank... Right there was also a Liggett's Rexall drug store complete with a soda fountain; a Cummings clothing store (for ladies in particular I think?); and my favorite: Woolworth's & its Awesome display windows, especially at Christmas!

I think there was also an A&P on Bowdoin Street, towards Geneva Avenue; but that would've meant walking up & down the steeper Quincy Street to get there, so we probably didn't go to that store but a couple of times maybe...

My Mom did not drive either. Most families in Somerville had 1 car. Dad drove it to his 2 jobs
You walked everywhere. No way we would ever take the bus. We would here the stories about the Depression days

I absolutely remember walking on Broadway to our bank, and there must've been a grocery store somewhere on it too... We probably walked to the old Sullivan Square station as well, because I don't remember EVER riding a bus with our mom, either in Somerville or Dorchester...

 

[captain stone]

There were 9 of us kids. My Dad worked 2 jobs had the car. The first 7 kids were all 1 year apart- so my Mom was home by herself with all of us- that meant 5 who weren't even school yet all home with her.
Don't know how tge F she did it.
Lol,man, the Depression stories! Seems every time one of us complained about something , we'd hear a Depression story.
That was a tough generation. My Dad fought in WW2 in France

Sounds like my wife's family: she was 6th of 11, with only One full bathroom! Think the opening scene at the Noonan's in Caddyshack...

 

[captain stone]

I grew up in East Boston (still close) and know enough about pizza to realize that it's pretty personal. Like cigars; you like what you like. I like all styles really, but thin is my favorite. Ingredients are where I get snobby.

I've heard good things, here & elsewhere, about Santarpio's on Chelsea Street...

 

[*ChungFu*]

I've heard good things, here & elsewhere, about Santarpio's on Chelsea Street...

Tarp's is my favorite style of pizza. Neapolitan/NY thin crust. Kelly Sq. Pub in Eastie does well too. Great pizza. Where we have a few good pizza joints, in my opinion NY has many. I don't remember the name but I had pizza in NYC from a coal-fired oven. The best I ever had.

 

[RIpats88]

So we're talking about WR's right up until the point we're not?

The #1 weapon in Kansas City is Andy Reid's scheme.

Gesicki is a better athlete than Kelce is, if Reid had Gesicki he'd be doing what Kelce does... probably better.

If you read my post I mentioned Gronkowski for the patriots. you are just parsing words to make it seem like teams don't need a #1 guy who can take defenses away. Doesn't matter if its a tight end, a running back, a receiver. Teams NEED top talent to round out their offense or it just becomes easy to defend. Right now we do not have that kind of guy. you think opposing DC's are scheming how to defend Gesicki or Parker wondering how they will stop them?

Guys like Gronk/Kelce are unguardable so teams need to shift defense towards them. that leaves guys like Juju, Hogan etc. with easier matchups which they can dominate. Without that guy, defenses can focus more on guys like Juju and they are not as productive. I'm not sure what is so hard to get. It's how the NFL has always worked.

JuJu has always been productive next to a guy taking the defenses away. Antonio Brown/Kelce. when he was a #1 he struggled mightily. If you don't think having Kelce who is one of the top targets in the NFL next to him aided his production i'm not sure what to say.

 

[Wozzy]

If you read my post I mentioned Gronkowski for the patriots. you are just parsing words to make it seem like teams don't need a #1 guy who can take defenses away. Doesn't matter if its a tight end, a running back, a receiver. Teams NEED top talent to round out their offense or it just becomes easy to defend. Right now we do not have that kind of guy. you think opposing DC's are scheming how to defend Gesicki or Parker wondering how they will stop them?

Guys like Gronk/Kelce are unguardable so teams need to shift defense towards them. that leaves guys like Juju, Hogan etc. with easier matchups which they can dominate. Without that guy, defenses can focus more on guys like Juju and they are not as productive. I'm not sure what is so hard to get. It's how the NFL has always worked.

JuJu has always been productive next to a guy taking the defenses away. Antonio Brown/Kelce. when he was a #1 he struggled mightily. If you don't think having Kelce who is one of the top targets in the NFL next to him aided his production i'm not sure what to say.

The Pats won a championship while Gronk was on the IR, they won with superweapons like 7th round pick Edelman, 8th round pick Troy Brown, and UDFA’s like David Patten and Amendola.

Other weapons who don’t qualify for this mystical “#1 WR” designation funny enough don’t simply lay down and die because they weren’t voted on the popular kids list. In fact a group of 4-5 simply "good" WR’s and a TE can be just as dangerous.

I was listening to the GM Shuffle podcast and Mike Lombardi made a very good point, he said he asked an NFL defensive coordinator how many #1 WR’s there were in the league that you specifically design defenses around… the guy said maybe three.

This notion that one WR has to be so dangerous that teams quake at the mention of their name is nonsense. Randy Moss, Deandre Hopkins, Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson… none of them have a ring.

Whatever the Patriots have now is enough if they stay healthy, Mac plays well and Obie does his job.

 

[Wozzy]

Wow.

The conversation was about “weapons,” not quarterbacks.

More specifically it was about WR's, then it morphed into TE's also when it was pointed out teams without super weapon WR's win rings all the time including last season. Now apparently it is all encompassing...

Brady’s weapons in 2006 weren’t good enough, he couldn’t will them to greatness. The stock answer to every question for QB fanboys is “QB X has magic powers.” It’s ridiculous.

 

[RodThePat]

The conversation was about “weapons,” not quarterbacks. Brady’s weapons in 2006 weren’t good enough, he couldn’t will them to greatness.

The stock answer to every question for QB fanboys is “QB X has magic powers.” It’s ridiculous.

Brady's weapons in 2006 weren't just "not good enough" they were absolute trash, arguably the worst receiving corps in the league and not only that, guys were sliding in and out of the lineup constantly. They still went 12-4 and were a Troy Brown OPI/Reche Caldwell drop away from reaching a Super Bowl they very likely would have won and had had the 4th best offense in football by DVOA. If your argument is that QBs don't have magic powers, that is among the worst seasons you could have cited to make your case. The fact that they managed to have those results with that kind of personnel might as well be an indication of magic powers.

 

[Wozzy]

Brady's weapons in 2006 weren't just "not good enough" they were absolute trash, arguably the worst receiving corps in the league and not only that, guys were sliding in and out of the lineup constantly. They still went 12-4 and were a Troy Brown OPI/Reche Caldwell drop away from reaching a Super Bowl they very likely would have won and had had the 4th best offense in football by DVOA. If your argument is that QBs don't have magic powers, that is among the worst seasons you could have cited to make your case. The fact that they managed to have those results with that kind of personnel might as well be an indication of magic powers.

They had Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Ben Watson, Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney in 2007 and they were within a couple feet of winning a Super Bowl... but lost to a team without a single superweapon on their roster.

My point is that the overwhelming need for a single superweapon to win a ring is nonsensical garbage... as is the notion that QB's have magic powers

 

[RodThePat]

They had Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Ben Watson, Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney in 2007 and they were within a couple feet of winning a Super Bowl... but lost to a team without a single superweapon on their roster.

My point is that the overwhelming need for a single superweapon to win a ring is nonsensical garbage... as is the notion that QB's have magic powers

Why did you answer that with a completely different argument? Yeah, they had all of those guys in 2007, which led to the best offense in league history at the time, alongside one of the best seasons any team has ever had in the NFL. Who's saying top tier QBs or a superweapon are an absolute guarantee of a title? It's just that looking at the past 15 years of the NFL it's very hard to argue those factors aren't extremely relevant for a team to truly contend.

 

[Wozzy]

Why did you answer that with a completely different argument? Yeah, they had all of those guys in 2007, which led to the best offense in league history at the time, alongside one of the best seasons any team has ever had in the NFL. Who's saying top tier QBs or a superweapon are an absolute guarantee of a title? It's just that looking at the past 15 years of the NFL it's very hard to argue those factors aren't extremely relevant for a team to truly contend.

Looking at the past fifteen years and longer reveals great teams win rings, whether they have super weapons or magical franchise caliber QB's or not.

This insistence that the Pats 2023 weapons aren't good enough because they don't have one guy who strikes fear in the hearts of men is nonsense, their weapons are very good assuming health.

 

[RIpats88]

The Pats won a championship while Gronk was on the IR, they won with superweapons like 7th round pick Edelman, 8th round pick Troy Brown, and UDFA’s like David Patten and Amendola.

Other weapons who don’t qualify for this mystical “#1 WR” designation funny enough don’t simply lay down and die because they weren’t voted on the popular kids list. In fact a group of 4-5 simply "good" WR’s and a TE can be just as dangerous.

I was listening to the GM Shuffle podcast and Mike Lombardi made a very good point, he said he asked an NFL defensive coordinator how many #1 WR’s there were in the league that you specifically design defenses around… the guy said maybe three.

This notion that one WR has to be so dangerous that teams quake at the mention of their name is nonsense. Randy Moss, Deandre Hopkins, Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson… none of them have a ring.

Whatever the Patriots have now is enough if they stay healthy, Mac plays well and Obie does his job.

Mac Jones is not Tom Brady. just because the greatest QB of all time could elevate sub-par talent doesn't mean Mac Jones can.

if the #1 receiver doesnt exist, why did Josh Allen, Tua, Hurts ALL improve significantly when their teams went out and got #1 receivers?

It's such an odd take in todays NFL to take that teams don't need elite weapons..

 

[RodThePat]

Looking at the past fifteen years and longer reveals great teams win rings, whether they have super weapons or magical franchise caliber QB's or not.

This insistence that the Pats 2023 weapons aren't good enough because they don't have one guy who strikes fear in the hearts of men is nonsense, their weapons are very good assuming health.

Lol, that's such a nothing statement. Is KC a great TEAM with, say, Mac Jones and Hunter Henry in place of Mahomes and Kelce and the other 51 guys staying the same? Because if the QB and "super weapon" are carrying a huge part of the load into making their squad a "great team", then they are disproportionately important. The 49ers have more talent than any other team in the league, how did they fare in the playoffs when their QB went out of the game?

 

[Wozzy]

Mac Jones is not Tom Brady. just because the greatest QB of all time could elevate sub-par talent doesn't mean Mac Jones can.

if the #1 receiver doesnt exist, why did Josh Allen, Tua, Hurts ALL improve significantly when their teams went out and got #1 receivers?

It's such an odd take in todays NFL to take that teams don't need elite weapons..

Every year there are elite QB’s who can’t elevate the talent on their teams to success… you guys never mention them, only those on great teams who have success.

Mac Jones led the 6th highest scoring offense in the league as a rookie, he should be substantially better now in year three with a better coordinator, blocking and weapons.

Rookie QB’s get better in years 2, 3 and moving forward… otherwise they’re usually out the league or sitting on a bench.

Hunter Henry and Mike Gesicki are two of the best TE’s in the NFL… they don’t count as elite weapons?

 

[Wozzy]

Lol, that's such a nothing statement. Is KC a great TEAM with, say, Mac Jones and Hunter Henry in place of Mahomes and Kelce and the other 51 guys staying the same? Because if the QB and "super weapon" are carrying a huge part of the load into making their squad a "great team", then they are disproportionately important. The 49ers have more talent than any other team in the league, how did they fare in the playoffs when their QB went out of the game?

We have no clue what Mac would have done on the 49ers, or with Andy Reid in KC.

Hunter Henry is a similar athlete to Travis Kelce, Mike Gesicki is a superior athlete to Kelce and just about every TE in the league not named Kyle Pitts.

QB’s…. superweapons… these guys are dependent on the players and coaches around them for success the same way coaches need players.

You guys are looking for the hidden ingredient in the secret sauce, it’s not a mystery. The team that has the best total ingredients wins… but a superweapon or magical QB isn’t necessary. The 2017 Eagles had neither, their offensive line was their secret weapon.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Lol, that's such a nothing statement.

That's all he types, man. Just a bunch of words. Nothing insightful or interesting that lead to point or idea. Just generic ****.

Why people go back and forth with him is beyond me.