CBS QB rankings- Mac Jones dissed

[Joker]

it shouldn't be here...he's a nutcase, Tunes

 

[Real fan 02]

Great list!! My only change would be Jackson ahead of burrow... just me..

@JarOfMayo51

I love burrow, but Jackson has been an MVP.. he's the only player when healthy that no DCs can solve.. when chase went down last season burrow looked like a different QB.. Lamar has played with jags outside of Andrews.

 

[Kasmir]

Good? Tua had the best passer rating in the NFL. He was an MVP candidate until he sustained his 2nd, or 3rd, or whatever number it is was concussion against Green Bay. Mac was not good last season at all. The college numbers don't really matter at this point. What does matter though is supporting cast. Tyreek and Waddle blow away any Patriots duo (I guess the best being JuJu and Parker).

The college A/B test Tua/Mac indicates that Mac can perform at the same level of Tua given the same weapons.

Obviously that doesn't fit your malignant Mac narrative so you choose to ignore it.

But glad to see you agree Tua did well last year -- he was 2nd in DVOA to Garoppolo as well. Tua in 2021 quietly had about the same performance as Mac with Waddle but without Tyreek.

Any reasonable non-narrative-driven person would see the Tua/Mac comparison as holding out hope for Mac's improvement.

Which of course is not guaranteed; despite all the excuses, Mac's performance in 2022 was disturbing. I don't think anyone except possibly the Pats really knows what Mac's future is with the huge performance variance he's shown.

All I'm saying with the Tua/Mac A/B comparison is that there is still hope for Mac. But of course you get your jollies by trying to crush everyone's hopes for this team.

 

[crawhammer]

Let's just say ... thank God you're nothing more than some guy spending a little too much time on the Internet.

Do what you want, but perhaps instead of lazily insulting me, you challenge my list. Who on my list of 21 quarterbacks wouldn't you trade Mac straight up for?

It's just theoretical exercise that takes very little time to do. I don't see the harm in playing along. Or not, it doesn't really matter, it's just for amusement.

The college A/B test Tua/Mac indicates that Mac can perform at the same level of Tua given the same weapons.

Ok whatever. In college. I'm more interested in how things have gone for each in the NFL.

I think Tua is the better quarterback. I said he was going to have a better 2022 season than Mac, people laughed at me, but I was right about that too. It's too bad for Tua that concussions are very likely to derail his career because he's really found himself in a great spot with that offense. Mac just isn't as good as Tua right now and his situation is less advantageous as well. That said, as I indicated, I wouldn't trade Mac for Tua because of the serious concussion history/risk.

 

[Tunescribe]

Do what you want, but perhaps instead of lazily insulting me, you challenge my list. Who on my list of 21 quarterbacks wouldn't you trade Mac straight up for?

It's just theoretical exercise that takes very little time to do. I don't see the harm in playing along. Or not, it doesn't really matter, it's just for amusement.

The problem is your list isn't worth much more than a lazy insult. Obviously you're doing it for your own amusement, although you'd be better off writing it on a piece of paper and taping it to your bathroom mirror vs. sharing it here. It's a preposterous exercise to begin with. Then you proceed to suggest the likes of Goff, Pickett, Purdy, Richardson, Young and Stroud would be superior choices to lead the Patriots offense. It's just silly stuff.

 

[Kasmir]

Do what you want, but perhaps instead of lazily insulting me, you challenge my list. Who on my list of 21 quarterbacks wouldn't you trade Mac straight up for?

It's just theoretical exercise that takes very little time to do. I don't see the harm in playing along. Or not, it doesn't really matter, it's just for amusement.


Ok whatever. In college. I'm more interested in how things have gone for each in the NFL.

I think Tua is the better quarterback. I said he was going to have a better 2022 season than Mac, people laughed at me, but I was right about that too. It's too bad for Tua that concussions are very likely to derail his career because he's really found himself in a great spot with that offense. Mac just isn't as good as Tua right now and his situation is less advantageous as well. That said, as I indicated, I wouldn't trade Mac for Tua because of the serious concussion history/risk.

If the only tape you will accept to forecast Mac's future is his 2022 season, then of course he's hopeless. But of course hopelessness is your calling card.

 

[DarrylS]

Nothing more than great motivation and bulletin board material..

 

[RodThePat]

If the only tape you will accept to forecast Mac's future is his 2022 season, then of course he's hopeless. But of course hopelessness is your calling card.

I don't think Mac Jones is hopeless, but if the hope resides in his rookie year where a ton of his production came in blowouts (ranked 24th out of 30 qualified QBs in EPA/Play in true game neutral situations, i.e., winning probability between 20-80%), I just think that's a limited player. He has to build on that significantly, otherwise he's an okay QB who can be good if everything around him is working and he's either playing from a lead or a sustained small deficit, and I don't think that piece is all that valuable (or all that different from the Purdys and Nick Foles of the world).

 

[PatsFanInVa]

He gets another year based on some truly weird coaching decisions in 2022 and on the structure of rookie deals to be cap friendly. In fact, if I had to bet. I'd say he'll be here two. It's cheap to give him a chance. Zappe helps us be Mac-proof in that sense. So we're solidly in the camp of taking the cap upside at QB, mitigating spending on a hugely expensive position. But we don't want him to be cheap because he's bad. In that way, it's nice to have the Zappe option around.

The relative expense at QB and WR seem to chafe BB... he's just not spending that big a chunk on one guy. That's how you build a dynasty. but in a given year it's not how you buy a ring, singular.

So that actually militates for mumbles giving a long runway to Mac, pretty much in line with Mac's rookie deal. You can say that it feels like this year is make or break, but he really has to be useless to be straight up waived (benched in favor of Zappe could easily happen.)

There are guys saying he's shown he can do x, y, and z based on college. This is the NFL. He had a weird as heck hand dealt him in '22. Maybe he'll fail and he and his supporters will be able to say how unfair it is. Okay. But he'll still have failed. Maybe he'll succeed. That's why it's exciting to go into this year, it's just an unknown. I know I'm rooting for him. I know BB wants to do it with competent passing (as good as it can be cheap), preferably suffocating D, and regularly effective rushing this time.

Seeing everybody parrot how important QB is in today's game makes me also nostalgically root for one more dynasty. not proving another QB can play the Brady role -- ain't gonna happen -- but proving that you can do it other than through the passing-is-all blueprint. Can it be done? Maybe. I know when Brady showed up everybody shut up about how you need "triplets" real fast. (A great QB, RB, and no. 1 receiver.)

All that said... a little closer to middle of the pack would be nice, however you measure that.

 

[Triumph]

LOL no Mac indeed sucked last year but your hypothesis that "Lots of rookie QBs look great in year 1 of the NFL because defenses have no film on them other than college" also sucks.

Really

Brady struggled year 2 and missed the post season. Numerous other QBs like Baker Mayfield regressed in year 2. Kyle Murray looked like the answer, but he isnt. The real deal NFL QBs have the intelligence and fortitude to elevate their game and the pretenders do not.

 

[Triumph]

You'd be happy to trade Mac for a 6th round pick and a tattooed kicker.

And you will be happy with another losing season as long as Mac is still around.

 

[Triumph]

Hilarious to have Tua at 8th and Mac at 25th given that an almost perfect A/B comparison at Alabama showed Mac to be at least as good with the same weapons.

All the Pats need is a couple of Alabama or equivalent 1st round WRs, a 1st round RB and 1st round LT.

4 or 5 more years and well be there. Hope Bob Kraft lives to see Mac in the Super Bowl.

 

[Real fan 02]

OK, let's do it somewhat backwards. How many of these QB's would Belichick, BIB, and Klemm prefer for the 2023 season, for the 2023-2025 seasons? Beyond that, if Jones works out he'll get a huge contract.

So, who would Belichick trade for, player for player?

My thing is... could any of those great QBs listed..( even though Lamar should be ahead of burrow in my humble opinion).

Had withstood what BB did to the offense last season?. I believe that's what tends to get forgotten about.

Mac had to endure something that never had been done in the modern era of the NFL. So bad coaches on other teams were laughing at us. So I don't think any of those QBs would have withstood what happened last season..

Now your absolutely right Mac is isn't on thier level yet.. but we'll see this season!

 

[Real fan 02]

Hilarious to have Tua at 8th and Mac at 25th given that an almost perfect A/B comparison at Alabama showed Mac to be at least as good with the same weapons.

Granted, I think Tua sans concussions was a good QB last year.

Give Mac chase or Higgins.. or hill and Waddle... he'd be right up there in the top 5.. Burrow looked like a different guy without chase early last season.

 

[Tunescribe]

Really

Brady struggled year 2 and missed the post season. Numerous other QBs like Baker Mayfield regressed in year 2. Kyle Murray looked like the answer, but he isnt. The real deal NFL QBs have the intelligence and fortitude to elevate their game and the pretenders do not.

And you will be happy with another losing season as long as Mac is still around.

All the Pats need is a couple of Alabama or equivalent 1st round WRs, a 1st round RB and 1st round LT.

4 or 5 more years and well be there. Hope Bob Kraft lives to see Mac in the Super Bowl.

 

[captain stone]

@JarOfMayo51

I love burrow, but Jackson has been an MVP.. he's the only player when healthy that no DCs can solve.. when chase went down last season burrow looked like a different QB.. Lamar has played with jags outside of Andrews.

All true perhaps, but I would take Burrow in the POs Eleven times out of ten ahead of LJ, even when accounting for discrepancies in personnel.

 

[captain stone]

All the Pats need is a couple of Alabama or equivalent 1st round WRs, a 1st round RB and 1st round LT.

4 or 5 more years and well be there. Hope Bob Kraft lives to see Mac in the Super Bowl.

Yep… In order for him to succeed, Mac has to have Superior personnel All around him; he’s certainly not a “He can take his’n and beat your’n or take your’n and beat his’n” type of QB.

 

[sb1]

I wouldn’t say Brady “struggled” in his second season as a starter. He obviously wasn’t a finished product but I’d argue he was better in 02 than he was in the Super Bowl year. His play wasn’t why they missed the playoffs, a terrible run defense was.

 

[Real fan 02]

All true perhaps, but I would take Burrow in the POs Eleven times out of ten ahead of LJ, even when accounting for discrepancies in personnel.

That is the only knock on lamar.. yes burrow has taken his team deep in the playoffs.. with the weapons Lamar has now we'll see.. I like his chances this season.. had Lamar played that playoff game burrow would been sent home. How I still like burrow he's a great QB with great weapons.. good combination.

#12 did it with 3s and 4s for majority of his career

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Considering the source, I'm not even going to bother clicking on the "list." I only have the following to say:
1. It's better to be underestimated and overperform than overestimated and underperform.
2. If this (or any list or media nonsense) damages Jones' self-confidence, it's time for the Pats to move on.