2023 NFL Combine Thread

[DaBruinz]

Here is what Lazar posted about Addison today. You care about the Pats, please try to understand and learn from others. Your football acumen is limited.

2. USC WR Jordan Addison Presents Another Tape vs. Athletic Testing Conundrum
Every draft season has a handful of prospects with great film and production, but their athletic testing falls short of where they're projected to go in April. Addison is the most recent example after posting a pedestrian 5.92 relative athletic score of ten, with okay explosiveness and an above-average 40-yard dash (4.49) at 5-11, 171 pounds

My football acumen far exceeds yours and it's not even close.

I did read Lazar's post from today. It's garbage. He has a very limited understanding of RAS and what it actually means.
Unlike YOU, I do learn from others when they have something to actually offer.

BTW, nothing in Lazar's post states that Addison was considered a Top half of R1 pick.

 

[DaBruinz]

Why don't you stop responding to my posts? That is a win-win. We are both happy that way.

Why don't you go learn about the game so your posts offer something of value.. Then it's a win-win.

 

[scott99]

Smith-Njigba is a guy who I might like them to target at 14, if his medicals check out. Great numbers (not sure what his 40 is), and he was the number one receiver at Ohio State over upper classmen Olave and Wilson (but of whom were first rounders and produced in the NFL). He also was ahead of the talented Marvin Harrison Jr (who this year produced of Ohio State). Health would be the only hesitation, but it’s also why he’s not a top ten pick.

That was my one concern, health. On a side note, I wouldn’t say that he was the #1 receiver over Olave & Wilson. He was moved to the slot, and as we know, slot receivers with separation skills, are a security blanket for QBs. So in comparison, Welker had more receptions every year Moss was here, but everybody knew Moss was the #1 receiver.

That being said, if we land JSN, and he winds up being better than Olave and Wilson, you won’t hear me complaining .

 

[Jim Beankie]

The start is so important for the 40 drill. I'm not an expert but have seen enough and read enough on the practice of it and other drills to know you can be taught in and out of a fast 40.

Look at the start and amount of steps. You can see the cleaner starts from Duggan and Adebawore help balance out that 4.5 with a guy like Dell.

I had a few (long) rants last year about how they measure the Combine times (gates), and it still annoys the heck out of me. I won't go into it again, but as someone who's used to FAT, the whole operation is kindof silly. It is what it is.

Side note - Tyler Scott had a terrrible start on his 1st run. Jeez.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I think Addison testing poorly, and being light combined with a huge production drop off last season should push him into the second round.

The strength of the receiver position in this draft is in rounds 2-4, I hope the Pats stay away from receiver in the first.

There are 0 Receiver I would take top 25
Even QJ I say no thanks at 14
A day 2 pick looks much better rn with the other Position groups testing

 

[40yrpatsfan]

As of now, these could be the top 14:
4 QB's: Stroud, Richardson, Levis, and hopefully Young (who may slide)
4 DL's: Anderson, Wilson, Murphy, and hopefully Carter (if he's not in jail)
3 CB's: Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Porter
3 OT's: P Johnson, Skoronski, B Jones

with these 3 at the door:
1 WR: Smith-Njigba
1 RB: Robinson
1 TE: Kincaid

Assuming the QB's and DL's all go by 13 or before, we're guaranteed a good player of need, with a couple to spare.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

As of now, these could be the top 14:
4 QB's: Stroud, Richardson, Levis, and hopefully Young (who may slide)
4 DL's: Anderson, Wilson, Murphy, and hopefully Carter (if he's not in jail)
3 CB's: Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Porter
3 OT's: P Johnson, Skoronski, B Jones

with these 3 at the door:
1 WR: Smith-Njigba
1 RB: Robinson
1 TE: Kincaid

Assuming the QB's and DL's all go by 13 or before, we're guaranteed a good player of need, with a couple to spare.

Like who? Who is the couple of good players of need at #14? I don't think we go WR, TE or RB at #14.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Like who? Who is the couple of good players of need at #14? I don't think we go WR, TE or RB at #14.

The more I think about it, the more I think, stick to our strengths, or least not-proven-weaknesses. Amazing corners, LBs, even linemen, not receivers. (We don't want a single amazing talent at RB, they just cost too much. We do okay there on the cheap.)

I'd say just stop trying to score that 1 brilliant generational talent at WR, but then again, keep buying 3 more hoops at the carnival booth and eventually you will throw one around that stuffed animal you wanted, right?

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Like who? Who is the couple of good players of need at #14? I don't think we go WR, TE or RB at #14.

one of the OT's or CB's

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The more I think about it, the more I think, stick to our strengths, or least not-proven-weaknesses. Amazing corners, LBs, even linemen, not receivers. (We don't want a single amazing talent at RB, they just cost too much. We do okay there on the cheap.)

I'd say just stop trying to score that 1 brilliant generational talent at WR, but then again, keep buying 3 more hoops at the carnival booth and eventually you will throw one around that stuffed animal you wanted, right?

We need OT and we are fairly good at finding OT talent. But my understanding is that after the top 3, there is a drop off, so why not trade down?

 

[scott99]

We need OT and we are fairly good at finding OT talent. But my understanding is that after the top 3, there is a drop off, so why not trade down?

Why would we trade down ? Pats already have 11 picks, how many picks do we need (and how many would make the roster?). Stay at 14 and pick your top player on your board. If necessary, if you have someone targeted, trade UP, you have a ton of draft capital.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Why would we trade down ? Pats already have 11 picks, how many picks do we need (and how many would make the roster?). Stay at 14 and pick your top player on your board. If necessary, if you have someone targeted, trade UP, you have a ton of draft capital.

If we want an OT or CB or WR that is still there after a trade down, I say go for it. If we trade from 14 to 25 we can get an additional 2nd and 3rd rounder (maybe a 4th too). We are not Super Bowl bound and this is a very deep draft. We had good drafts in 2021 and 2022, if he hit on a big draft this year with 10 or so top picks, along with the cap space next year, this team is all set for another run. Whoever is picking the draft has done a good job the last two years, let's ride it for as many picks as possible before they move onto other GM jobs or whatever.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

one of the OT's or CB's

There seems to be 3 top CBs and 3 top LTs. After that I am reading there is a drop-off, and #14 or #15 might not be any better than #25 or #26. My understanding is that this draft is not top heavy but very deep. More picks might be a lot better than high picks.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

There seems to be 3 top CBs and 3 top LTs. After that I am reading there is a drop-off, and #14 or #15 might not be any better than #25 or #26. My understanding is that this draft is not top heavy but very deep. More picks might be a lot better than high picks.

The point of my earlier post is that at 14, there's an excellent chance we'll be in position to get one of the top tier OT's or CB's. If they're all gone then a trade down may make sense, but it looks like one of these top guys will be there at 14.

 

[upstater1]

Like who? Who is the couple of good players of need at #14? I don't think we go WR, TE or RB at #14.

One of the ones he listed. Those players add up to 14.

We're going to have a shot at a LT or CB.

If not, we land a DL who are all the very top players in this draft. Not likely that someone like Tyree Wilson will drop to us, which means we'll be able to take a CB or LT

 

[upstater1]

There seems to be 3 top CBs and 3 top LTs. After that I am reading there is a drop-off, and #14 or #15 might not be any better than #25 or #26. My understanding is that this draft is not top heavy but very deep. More picks might be a lot better than high picks.

The only problem I have with this is that I'm assuming the QBs will all be gone, so if the CBs and the LTs are also gone, it must mean the DLs remain, and they are absolute studs. I don't see how we can pass any of the DLs if they somehow drop to 14. I think they'll all be gone. It's likelier that someone like Witherspoon or Skoronski is the person circling the musical chair at #14, while all the others mentioned have seats already.

 

[jays52]

Why would we trade down ? Pats already have 11 picks, how many picks do we need (and how many would make the roster?). Stay at 14 and pick your top player on your board. If necessary, if you have someone targeted, trade UP, you have a ton of draft capital.

That is logical in a vacuum but each draft must be played according to its respective traits. There’s maybe four clear home run players in this draft. There seems to be very good depth and lots of safe, solid players in that 20-60 range. It’s smarter to be picking there and transferring capital into the following year than moving up at prohibitive costs. Plus, it’s not like your litany of 4th and 5th rounders can even get you up a few spots from 14 anyway. If you don’t have a bid at one of the top corners or tackles, move down and acquire more capital and therefore options.

 

[PatsFan2]

One of the ones he listed. Those players add up to 14.

We're going to have a shot at a LT or CB.

If not, we land a DL who are all the very top players in this draft. Not likely that someone like Tyree Wilson will drop to us, which means we'll be able to take a CB or LT

So If and he's not my favorite WR Q Johnson is there you would pass him over for a LT or CB??

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

So If and he's not my favorite WR Q Johnson is there you would pass him over for a LT or CB??

LT - yes absolutely. CB - maybe and lean yes. There are a lot of WRs in this draft - very deep.