Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[carmelo15]

Brady definitely physically declined I think in 2022. He just couldn’t quite get the same pep on the ball especially when he was throwing off balance. Some of his decision-making also seemed to be off like he wasn’t anticipating things like he used to. I know the coaching was really bad so perhaps that’s behind much of it but I definitely saw some physical decline in him. I mean he is 45 after all.

He looked good when he was protected

 

[Deus Irae]

But that is not a correlation at all. I don't think he played better than those years. I mean Tampa had him throwing an obnoxious amount because they had zero run game.

Think about what you just posted, and then ponder the ramifications of it in the context of an OL that was a sieve and a WR corps that was a M*A*S*H unit for almost the entire season.

 

[venecol]

But that is not a correlation at all. I don't think he played better than those years. I mean Tampa had him throwing an obnoxious amount because they had zero run game.

> compl%, >Yards, >= TDs, < INTs, > Rating, < Sack%, >= 4QC/GWD, etc. He had a better '22 season than '13 & '19. Period.

The entire team played like crap. They lacked focus a/o motivation. There's a lot of factors that came into play. Brady, for being Brady, didn't play his best. He made mistakes. He just didn't seem focused to me. Frustrated. It was a horrible season, no doubt. Very dissapointing.

 

[Deus Irae]

The decline around him was very obvious. Again , both can be true. He has played over 20 years and probably averaged 30 points per game in his career in NE. You can't give him credit for that and then not blame him some for this season where they couldn't put up 20. Absolute gong show of an offense with him at the head. Yes, everything went wrong but STILL, he deserves blame. He used to play playoff games and get hit 20 times and it still came down to the last play if they lost. He'd get obliterated and sacked and threw picks and still won SBs. Now he looks lost if the first 2 reads aren't open and YES they lacked talent but those of you who only see that are blind. The most frustrating part was that he allowed the game plans and play calling to continue which by association means he's also responsible for it. You can't have it both ways. He's a veteran QB and no way they played this way without his consent.

Perhaps I was blind in 2013 and 2019, too. Perhaps the naysayers were absolutely 100% right during those seasons, and my sight just magically healed the very next season in both cases.


Either that or you're clowning yourself by trying to out-think the room.



You feel free to decide which of the above you think is correct.

 

[crawhammer]

The decline around him was very obvious. Again , both can be true. He has played over 20 years and probably averaged 30 points per game in his career in NE. You can't give him credit for that and then not blame him some for this season where they couldn't put up 20. Absolute gong show of an offense with him at the head. Yes, everything went wrong but STILL, he deserves blame. He used to play playoff games and get hit 20 times and it still came down to the last play if they lost. He'd get obliterated and sacked and threw picks and still won SBs. Now he looks lost if the first 2 reads aren't open and YES they lacked talent but those of you who only see that are blind. The most frustrating part was that he allowed the game plans and play calling to continue which by association means he's also responsible for it. You can't have it both ways. He's a veteran QB and no way they played this way without his consent.

Who's not blaming Brady at all?

 

[Tottie]

Think about what you just posted, and then ponder the ramifications of it in the context of an OL that was a sieve and a WR corps that was a M*A*S*H unit for almost the entire season.

It's the WAY THEY DID IT. They were stupid about the WAY they tried to get away with this. Some years in NE they threw as an extension of the run game. Did it look like TB this year?

 

[venecol]

Do you attribute that to age?

Idk. Maybe the divorce affected him. Maybe the level of play of the enture team (incl. his) frustrated him. I don't think age was a factor.

 

[Tottie]

I'm sure I was blind in 2013 and 2019, too. The naysayers were absolutely 100% right, and my sight just magically healed the very next season.


Either that or you're clowning yourself.

I had 0 complaints about 2019 and I wasn't on this forum in 2013. It does not look the same to me, at all. You are never wrong, Deus. NEVER wrong.

 

[Bill Lee]

That's my fear about where he goes next. If the Oline and receivers are not top notch or get hurt, he won't be able to elevate. To me Vegas is a hard no. The Oline is trash.

It's hard to see any current situation that lines up the way Tampa did back in 2020.

Tampa had a team loaded with high draft picks because they stunk for a solid decade. Well, they had a bad high draft pick where it mattered the most, QB, which was their weakest position. Swap Winston out, swap Brady in, then add Gronk and a few more pieces, it's off to the races. They had an old-school HC in Arians who knew how to build a team. All the current players there had won squat so they were OK with being yelled at by Brady. All the pieces fit.

So, what's like that now? A loaded team being held back by a lack of a QB? One that has a coaching staff that would know how to use Brady instead of a running type of QB? An OL that can pass protect the way Brady would need them to be able to do? A team with WRs that Brady is willing to throw to? LV only checks a couple of those boxes, but IMO they are the closest. Tom would get to throw a lot and boost his numbers since their defense stinks. Maybe he'd recalibrate his approach to the younger players since he has to know by now how easy it is for them to tune him out, right? Worth a shot, no?

 

[TB12TheGoat]

one of the worst running games in NFL history + bad o-line = bad time

 

[Deus Irae]

I had 0 complaints about 2019 and I wasn't on this forum in 2013. It does not look the same to me, at all. You are never wrong, Deus. NEVER wrong.

I don't pretend to be infallible and, in fact, I publicly apologize to people here when I'm wrong. You're just making an ass of yourself here, needlessly.

 

[Deus Irae]

It's the WAY THEY DID IT. They were stupid about the WAY they tried to get away with this. Some years in NE they threw as an extension of the run game. Did it look like TB this year?

What the hell did you expect to be done?


They had no run game.
They had a terrible OL, because the LT-LG-C trio was absolutely inadequate, and the LG was a tire fire when Goedeke was there.
They had only one WR who was healthy and in form for the entire season, and he's a guy who takes time to get open.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

It's the WAY THEY DID IT. They were stupid about the WAY they tried to get away with this. Some years in NE they threw as an extension of the run game. Did it look like TB this year?

The key phrase in your post is run game. You need to have one to be able to extend it. Brady needed to BE the run and the passing game. He needed to be everything in this offense. I don’t put the bar at « he needs to be able to carry a team by himself at 45 »

NE 2013: 2065 yds 4.4 y/a 129.1 y/g 9th
NE 2019: 1703 yds 3.8 y/a 106.4 y/g 18th
TB 2022: 1308 yds 3.4 y/a 76.9 y/g 32nd

I had 0 complaints about 2019 and I wasn't on this forum in 2013. It does not look the same to me, at all. You are never wrong, Deus. NEVER wrong.

yes he is wrong sometimes but not in this case. You may need to get your eyes checked out though.

 

[Tottie]

I don't pretend to be infallible and, in fact, I publicly apologize to people here when I'm wrong. You're just making an ass of yourself here, needlessly.

I don't think so, but I'll leave that up to the readers. People making 1000 excuses for Brady aren't helping him in any way and it's annoying to read. Blame the OL, blame Evans, blame the coaches, all of which sucked, but don't let that distract the fact that prime Brady would be in the divisional round regardless and instead he was embarrassed and led the worst offense of his career.

 

[RicoG]

This is where I point out that the personnel limited the ability to make the needed changes. Or, to put it another way...


For all the WR talent they theoretically had, even when healthy, they didn't have a quick-open slot WR to serve as the safety valve, and you can't have your RB leaking out all the time when your guard can't block.

That's why I was hoping Cole Beasley would have worked out.

And I noticed that too with the RBs especially against the Cowboys. The OL were giving up a ton of immediate pressure and the RBs weren't staying in to help block.

Leftwhich was just so bad gameplannung or making adjustment. They're playing Goedeke and you know he's going to be bad. And Smith hasn't been much better. But planning for that was just too much to ask.

 

[Tottie]

The key phrase in your post is run game. You need to have one to be able to extend it. Brady needed to BE the run and the passing game. He needed to be everything in this offense. I don’t put the bar at « he needs to be able to carry a team by himself at 45 »

NE 2013: 2065 yds 4.4 y/a 129.1 y/g 9th
NE 2019: 1703 yds 3.8 y/a 106.4 y/g 18th
TB 2022: 1308 yds 3.4 y/a 76.9 y/g 32nd


yes he is wrong sometimes but not in this case. You may need to get your eyes checked out though.

What % of blame is on Brady, Coaches and other Offensive players in your eyes? I'm curious.

 

[venecol]

There's a reason all QBs w/ >50 passing attempts have losing records. Brady has the best record, by a mile, of any other QB. This season he went 3-2 when passing >50 times.

Passing attempts: record
<40: 3-1
40-50: 2-6
>50: 3-2

When the run game worked and they didn't have to rely on Brady, they had a winning record. They did OK, when Brady had to take over (>50). The lack of running game killed the offense.

66 pass attempts in the WC game is just ridiculous.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think so, but I'll leave that up to the readers. People making 1000 excuses for Brady aren't helping him in any way and it's annoying to read. Blame the OL, blame Evans, blame the coaches, all of which sucked, but don't let that distract the fact that prime Brady would be in the divisional round regardless and instead he was embarrassed and led the worst offense of his career.

Here's a guy who's defending Leftwich a bit. Note his reasons:

The OL was worse than awful in Tampa. Their RB’s were average at best. WR group was inconsistent in terms of explosive route running/ creating 1 on 1 separation. A LOT more work to do other than just firing the OC.

As a defensive player, I would have laughed if/whenever Tampa used play-action. The last thing I would have ever worried about was their run game.

But, yeah, it's just me and a couple of posters here, I'm sure....

 

[Tottie]

I hope you will all evaluate ALL QBs the same way that you are evaluating Brady. If Manning ran this offense you would all admit he failed. He clearly would of had full control and it's on him. I guess Brady has no control and he just runs the plays as they come in. It's on the OL and everyone else. In 2020 after the bye week the offense was 'Bradys' but when they suck it's 'not'. Not even 20 PPG and they looked like that ALL season.

 

[Tottie]

Here's a guy who's defending Leftwich a bit. Note his reasons:












But, yeah, it's just me and a couple of posters here, I'm sure....

Don't twist my words like some new age POS media member. Leftwich should be fired and clear out the whole staff but that does NOT make Brady blameless. You are saying Leftwich did it all and Brady had no control at all? Did he have control in NE? How about the last years in TB?