NFL QB Rankings (looking toward 2023)

[RobertWeathers]

Lamar Jackson: My knee remains inflamed and unstable

Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson's absence from the field continued at Thursday's practice and he offered an update on where things stand a little later in the day.

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Jackson released his own injury report and put himself out of the game.

If you think about it, why would Jackson risk further injury or playing hurt when his contract is set to expire at the end of the season. This is what happens when you let your QB get into a contract year. I can't wish enough bad things to happen to the Ravens, plague, locusts, basically anything from the Old Testament, I wished heaped upon that scum team. But I can see how Jackson (who represents himself (no agent), is not going to risk millions of dollars by playing hurt.

Now once the Ratbirds are eliminated, the real intrigue begins. Do they franchise Jackson? Transition tag him? Or let him "test the free agency waters? Jackson has not finished the last two seasons; now he is getting older and is not the size of a Cam Newton or Josh Allen. Sooner or later, he is going to get hurt. If I was an NFL GM, I probably wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.

This contract impasse is also a direct result to the ludicrous contract the Browns gave Watson, Jackson wanted five years guaranteed like Watson got, and the Ratbirds refused. I doubt anyone is going to give him that.

His next contract screams, "Heavily based on incentives with an emphasis on # snaps, statistical and team performance".

 

[1960Pats]

Man when it comes to LJAX you are stubborn.

I don't want the Pats to have a running QB and Lamar Jackson is Exhibit A, though he isn't alone. I don't want to rely on a QB who'll most likely miss games. The way it's shaking out now is if you have a QB who runs he better be big and strong to withstand the beating and also be a good pocket passer. There aren't many of those.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't want the Pats to have a running QB and Lamar Jackson is Exhibit A, though he isn't alone. I don't want to rely on a QB who'll most likely miss games. The way it's shaking out now is if you have a QB who runs he better be big and strong to withstand the beating and also be a good pocket passer. There aren't many of those.

Running QBs don't last. It's unsustainable.

They either evolve into pocket QBs or pick their spots and become scramblers.

 

[Wozzy]

I would place Lamar below Herbert though….

You and 32 GM’s in the NFL would… along with a large gaggle of guys on that list below him.

 

[crawhammer]

You and 32 GM’s in the NFL would… along with a large gaggle of guys on that list below him.

I already conceded I won't have a problem with Herbert above Lamar. However, in 3 seasons Herbert is 0-1 in the playoffs after being staked with a 27-0 lead. Herbert also is 25-24 in the regular season while Lamar is 45-16. Herbert also has not led the league in any statistical category. Herbert also has had the MUCH better supporting cast than Lamar.

The only reason why the Ravens even get to the postseason is because of Lamar. They're 8-13 when he doesn't start (again 45-16 with him). He's led the league in passing TD, TD%, and QBR. He won MVP OF THE LEAGUE. He might be the most lethal running quarterback in the history of the league.

By the way, no way Lamar fu*ks up that quarterback sneak from the 1-yard line last night.

But fine, despite all that, put Herbert one notch above Lamar.

BUT! if you're picking between Herbert and Lamar for just next season. In an instant I'm taking Lamar. And probably so are 32 GM's in the NFL. For certain they're taking Lamar over "a large gaggle of guys on that list below him."

 

[Le Numéro Douze]

I already conceded I won't have a problem with Herbert above Lamar. However, in 3 seasons Herbert is 0-1 in the playoffs after being staked with a 27-0 lead. Herbert also is 25-24 in the regular season while Lamar is 45-16. Herbert also has not led the league in any statistical category. Herbert also has had the MUCH better supporting cast than Lamar.

The only reason why the Ravens even get to the postseason is because of Lamar. They're 8-13 when he doesn't start (again 45-16 with him). He's led the league in passing TD, TD%, and QBR. He won MVP OF THE LEAGUE. He might be the most lethal running quarterback in the history of the league.

By the way, no way Lamar fu*ks up that quarterback sneak from the 1-yard line last night.

But fine, despite all that, put Herbert one notch above Lamar.

BUT! if you're picking between Herbert and Lamar for just next season. In an instant I'm taking Lamar. And probably so are 32 GM's in the NFL. For certain they're taking Lamar over "a large gaggle of guys on that list below him."

Any GM who would take Jackson over Herbert should be fired the next day.

Jackson is an elite athlete, no doubt, but he is a meh passer AND a huge injury risk going forward. He loses some of his speed and he is done.

 

[crawhammer]

Any GM who would take Jackson over Herbert should be fired the next day.

Jackson is an elite athlete, no doubt, but he is a meh passer AND a huge injury risk going forward. He loses some of his speed and he is done.

I said for next season. I understand the long term risk with Lamar due to injury. However if he's healthy heading into next season then he's the better option over Herbert for a single season.

Lamar's "meh passer," I hear it all the time, despite the TD passes and the exceptionally high TD% and the very good passer rating, but whatever, he's a better FOOTBALL PLAYER than Herbert. He's proven that with passing stats + running stats + winning%.

 

[Ring 6]

Any GM who would take Jackson over Herbert should be fired the next day.

Jackson is an elite athlete, no doubt, but he is a meh passer AND a huge injury risk going forward. He loses some of his speed and he is done.

And he is only going to succeed if you build a stacked one dimensional offense around him.
If you are going to create an offense just for Jackson he will do very well. Until he gets banged up. And he will get banged up running as much as he does.
Then you have what happened this year. In order to take full advantage of his exceptional and unique skill set you have to create an offense that pretty much can’t succeed without him.

 

[Nehalem]

Can someone explain to me why Lamar Jackson is regarded as a better QB than Daniel Jones at this point?

 

[crawhammer]

And he is only going to succeed if you build a stacked one dimensional offense around him.
If you are going to create an offense just for Jackson he will do very well. Until he gets banged up. And he will get banged up running as much as he does.
Then you have what happened this year. In order to take full advantage of his exceptional and unique skill set you have to create an offense that pretty much can’t succeed without him.

That doesn't make sense. You can't bring in a legitimate WR1? Someone who can provide reliable targeting options? I don't get it. Lamar's so exceptionally talented that you have build a lame team around him? What?!

 

[crawhammer]

Can someone explain to me why Lamar Jackson is regarded as a better QB than Daniel Jones at this point?

I just praised Daniel Jones in another thread. But ************ let's not get ridiculous here. Please go to NFL Reference, compare stats, winning%, accomplishments, and then get back to me.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Daniel Jones is putting the Giants in a catch 22. They’ll probably be forced to pay him $40M+ per season. This is exactly what I hope the Patriots can avoid with Little Mac.

 

[Guts]

I'm a Lamar fan.
But he should go down in your rankings since I'm a firm believer in availability is your best ability. Two straight seasons he has been hampered by injuries. It is your list though so whatever you decide it's not wrong.

 

[Ring 6]

That doesn't make sense. You can't bring in a legitimate WR1? Someone who can provide reliable targeting options? I don't get it. Lamar's so exceptionally talented that you have build a lame team around him? What?!

Have you seen the offense they run?
To maximize his skills you need to spend your resources in areas that are different than traditional offenses.
Sure they could build a traditional offensive roster and Jackson would struggle. It’s not his game.

 

[Nehalem]

I just praised Daniel Jones in another thread. But ************ let's not get ridiculous here. Please go to NFL Reference, compare stats, winning%, accomplishments, and then get back to me.

2022 season
D Jones: 67.2 Cmp% 6.8y/a 200.3y/g passing 1.1% int, 44y/g rushing, 92.5 rating 60.6 QBR
Jackson: 62.3 cmp% 6.9y/a 186.7y/g passing 2.1% int, 64y/g rushing, 91.1 rating 59.5 QBR

Career playoffs
D Jones: 1-0, only player with 2 TDS 300yard passing and 70 yard rushing in a game in playoff history
Jackson: 1-3, 3 embarrassing losses that are worse than early career P Manning

D Jones is a QB who appears to be ascending after suffering through 2 seasons of Joe Judge as HC.

Jackson, is a descending running QB who keeps getting hurt and chokes in the playoffs.

 

[TFB=GOAT]

I just praised Daniel Jones in another thread. But ************ let's not get ridiculous here. Please go to NFL Reference, compare stats, winning%, accomplishments, and then get back to me.

Ya Lamar has a history of some injuries but the disregard for his ability as a quarterback is a bit baffling to me. As I think you have stated previously he’s never had a true #1 and when healthy puts up MVP caliber numbers.

I think we may see a lot more of him in the future as either a Jet or Dolphin.

 

[Thelonious]

He'll be a limping wreck with sub-par passing skills within the year. We have seen this before, right?

 

[crawhammer]

2022 season
D Jones: 67.2 Cmp% 6.8y/a 200.3y/g passing 1.1% int, 44y/g rushing, 92.5 rating 60.6 QBR
Jackson: 62.3 cmp% 6.9y/a 186.7y/g passing 2.1% int, 64y/g rushing, 91.1 rating 59.5 QBR

Career playoffs
D Jones: 1-0, only player with 2 TDS 300yard passing and 70 yard rushing in a game in playoff history
Jackson: 1-3, 3 embarrassing losses that are worse than early career P Manning

D Jones is a QB who appears to be ascending after suffering through 2 seasons of Joe Judge as HC.

Jackson, is a descending running QB who keeps getting hurt and chokes in the playoffs.

Great post until you sh*t on Lamar.

Lamar averaged 6.8 yards per carry this season. Second highest of his career and 0.7 yards per carry above his career average. He's not a descending running QB.

He also had 508 yards of offense in a playoff loss once. Was that a choke too?

He just turned 26. Unless he retires he'll have more opportunities for playoff success. Generally your postseason legacy isn't cemented by your mid-20's.

 

[Nehalem]

Great post until you sh*t on Lamar.

Lamar averaged 6.8 yards per carry this season. Second highest of his career and 0.7 yards per carry above his career average. He's not a descending running QB.

He also had 508 yards of offense in a playoff loss once. Was that a choke too?

He just turned 26. Unless he retires he'll have more opportunities for playoff success. Generally your postseason legacy isn't cemented by your mid-20's.

He also had the lowest completion percentage and lowest yards/att passing in his career this year as well. Which is bad. He has played 12 games each of the last 2 years. After 5 years you would hope to see his passing trending up or his body won't hold up, but that isn't happening.

He had 508 yards of offense in a playoff loss in which they were losing 28-6 to start the 4th Q, and lost 28-12. In other words empty yards. Maybe his 3 turnovers contributed?

 

[crawhammer]

He also had the lowest completion percentage and lowest yards/att passing in his career this year as well. Which is bad. He has played 12 games each of the last 2 years. After 5 years you would hope to see his passing trending up or his body won't hold up, but that isn't happening.

You're cherry picking stats. He also had a higher passer rating, QBR, TD% and lower INT% than last season. Which is good.

He needs better receivers. Let's give him a WR1 and see what happens. I think his relationship with Baltimore is probably in the toilet so perhaps he'll land in a more advantageous spot.