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[archstanton543]

Belichick has a good track record fielding at least decent OLs, and as great as Scar was I doubt that was ALL him. So this doesn't seem like a stretch to fix, either.

Scar was a legendary OL coach. A lot of that was him. They tried to bring in Googs for a year and then begged Scar to come back out of retirement.

That said, having a real, dedicated OL coach rather than Phat Matt multitasking will help.

 

[VectorPrime]

Robert at the owners meeting is gonna be lit.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Scar was a legendary OL coach. A lot of that was him. They tried to bring in Googs for a year and then begged Scar to come back out of retirement.

That said, having a real, dedicated OL coach rather than Phat Matt multitasking will help.

We don't know if Yates did a good or crappy job.

What I do know is..
Brown was inconsistent and oft-injured.
Strange started off well, played horrible then played better again
Andrews was fine, injured for a bit and the line's play suffered in his absence
Big Mike was more than fine.
RT was a ****-show but McDermott did OK.

 

[turkeyneck]

Even on defense he was incredibly conservative even with elite talent. Flores was a million times better the minute he got the reigns. Steve and Mayo are doing a great job with less.

'Reins' no 'g'. But, yes, I liked Flores' aggressive style much better than the constant backpeddling of Patricia

 

[archstanton543]

We don't know if Yates did a good or crappy job.

What I do know is..
Brown was inconsistent and oft-injured.
Strange started off well, played horrible then played better again
Andrews was fine, injured for a bit and the line's play suffered in his absence
Big Mike was more than fine.
RT was a ****-show but McDermott did OK.

In my program it lists Matt Patricia as the OL coach so any failures fall on his shoulders.

 

[FCB02062]

2022 New England Patriots were 1-6 vs playoff teams, with the only win coming against a combination of Miami's backup and third string quarterback. Couple this their ineptitude after Thanksgiving for the last three seasons, and lots of thing need to change. They've been terrible after November for quite some time - even in Brady's last season the club was 2-4 post November.
I have been screaming from the mountains that they need to "open it up" and be less conservative and predictable on offense - and they did that yesterday. It worked as they actually mounted touchdown drives of 74, 74, and 85 yards on the road. That SHOULD be a winning performance, and for a team with NFL caliber coaches it would be. But the 2022 New England Patriots do not have NFL caliber coaching. This is a team that could not execute a squib kick.
The head coach cannot be counted upon to select quality coaches. And his ego is such that he will not hire anyone with an established NFL resume. He must be surrounded by yes men and slappys. The head coach likes to hire from "within", well if that's the case for next year, where the eff are you hiring from within? The team could not beat anyone good, they were wildly inconsistent, and they made the same mistakes over and over and over again.
This team needs a colonoscopy, and it should start with the head coach. If Kraft isn't going to schittcan Belichick, he should severely limit Belichick's autonomy in hiring coaches.

 

[turkeyneck]

Scar was a legendary OL coach. A lot of that was him. They tried to bring in Googs for a year and then begged Scar to come back out of retirement.

That said, having a real, dedicated OL coach rather than Phat Matt multitasking will help.

Cole Popovich was doing pretty well but the recent medical unpleasantness put an end to that.

 

[archstanton543]

Cole Popovich was doing pretty well but the recent medical unpleasantness put an end to that.

Seems silly knowing what we know now.

 

[RobertWeathers]

In my program it lists Matt Patricia as the OL coach so any failures fall on his shoulders.

OK so based on that Fat Matt did a decent job as OL coach. Can't do anything about injuries or players who are wastes of space like Wynn

 

[DaBruinz]

JJ Taylor is overpaid? He's on his rookie deal.

14 isn't a good draft spot, Middle of the pack is better than the Pats have been in a while but not ideally where you want to be during a rebuild.

JJ Taylor was on a Practice Squad deal. He's now a Street FA.

 

[archstanton543]

OK so based on that Fat Matt did a decent job as OL coach. Can't do anything about injuries or players who are wastes of space like Wynn

I'm not going to stop you from saying that. However Mac sack rate was almost 8% on his dropbacks as opposed to around 5% last season. And Rham got 1000 yds but he's also a bulldozer who got the majority of those after contact.

 

[turkeyneck]

OK so based on that Fat Matt did a decent job as OL coach. Can't do anything about injuries or players who are wastes of space like Wynn

Who decided to put Wynn at RT when he expected to be LT, leading him to sulk? Who put Brown at LT when he was being paid as RT, leading him to mail it in? Not absolving the players but MP seems not to think of players as people, just interchangeable parts. Cf. DET. Maybe he played too much SIMS as a kid?

 

[upstater1]

A hypothetical. You are an astronaut and you were in space on a mission to Mars the last 23 years and you just came back before the season and then watched the Patriots this season without the knowledge of Belichick over the last 23 years, you would ask he hasn’t been fired long, long ago because he is an idiot. This is Belichick’s worst coaching performance in his history and the second worst isn’t close.

People say every year that if it wasn’t for Belichick, the Pats would have lost 2-3 more games. This year, I would say the opposite. He created the disaster on offense from putting Patricia in charge to the ridiculous QB controversy earlier in the season that he fueled by refusing to say Jones was the starter where he helped to play into screwing with Jones’ confidence. This was a dumb, undisciplined team that openly questioned the coaching staff. Players were consistently unprepared. In game management was shoddy with a ton of wasted timeouts, poor red zone management, and poor clock management.

I defend Jones because he like a lot of players were set up for failure. He is a young QB who has shown flashes that he could be good QB. But we still don’t know what he is because of Belichick and Patricia.

Belichick is 70 years old who seems to making coaching personnel decisions that are best for him and not the team. This failed season was created by Belichick. He set this team up for failure before the season ever started and followed it by missteps by missteps.

As many people on the radio pointed out yesterday, after the loss to the Bills in the playoffs Belichick said he had to ask if that loss was an one of situation or something systematically wrong with the team. Based on his offseason, he felt it was a fluke that the Bills trashed the Pats last year and the Pats could beat them this year.

I question if Belichick just has the fire and passion anymore to do the job. He mailed this season in.

I saw more good things from Belichick this year than I saw from Mac Jones.

 

[DaBruinz]

2022: 45 trips
2021: 63 trips

It should be pointed out that when you say "A tick more than one per game" it is really underselling the difference given how many trips you normally have per game. They made only 71% as many trips to the RZ.

The other thing that stands out is sacks increasing from 28 to 41, an almost 50% jumped. I am betting there was a significant increase in OL penalties as well.

That's what happens when you have to use 5 different players at RT. Not to mention crappy OC play-calling.

 

[borg]

Does he ever act fast with regards to coaches?

I believe he waits until Head Coach firing season is over before he lures the emotionally scarred casualties to NE with "consultant" title offers

 

[archstanton543]

Who decided to put Wynn at RT when he expected to be LT, leading him to sulk? Who put Brown at LT when he was being paid as RT, leading him to mail it in? Not absolving the players but MP seems not to think of players as people, just interchangeable parts. Cf. DET. Maybe he played too much SIMS as a kid?

He's an engineer at heart which explains that attitude and his lack of people skills in general.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm not going to stop you from saying that. However Mac sack rate was almost 8% on his dropbacks as opposed to around 5% last season.

Lots of reasons for that. Crappy play calls. Crappy play design. Bad reads by Mac. No question there was some bad blocking but that wasn't the whole reason why the sack #s went up.

And Rham got 1000 yds but he's also a bulldozer who got the majority of those after contact.

Agree. Same as above. It's all connected IMO.

 

[DaBruinz]

He usually hires from within. Unfortunately, that isn't an option. The only coach remotely qualified to run the offense is Nick Caley and he is likely to bolt to Las Vegas since he wanted to go there last year and the Patriots blocked him.

Caley can only go to Vegas if:
1) He's offered a promotion
2) his contract is up.

Are you saying that Vegas is going to make Caley their OC? Or are you saying his contract is up?

 

[mike_usagisan]

Caley can only go to Vegas if:
1) He's offered a promotion
2) his contract is up.

Are you saying that Vegas is going to make Caley their OC? Or are you saying his contract is up?

I thought his contract was up.

 

[Triumph]

He's an engineer at heart which explains that attitude and his lack of people skills in general.

When did you meet Matt Patricia?