Game Day Thread Official Postgame Thread- Bills @ Pats

[Stu Pidassle]

The new practice rules began in 2011 with the new CBA ending the lockout that year. How come it’s only now such a glaring liability as soon as Brady leaves?

The Pats did not look very good at the end of the Brady era. This coincides with the loss of the team members from earlier in the program. Part of the downward spiral was that TB12 didn't want to have to help develop new players.

 

[Rob0729]

If Belichick is struggling to develop players with the new practice rules, the last thing he should have done is have one of the smallest, if not the smallest, coaching staffs in the league. If anything, you should have an even biggest coaching staff than anyone else so they have coaches who can work one on one with young players. Hell, he has his OC also be the position coach at the position of his first round draft pick. Strange desperately needs a Scar or a dedicated o-line coach to work with him to develop his talent.

I have always thought that Belichick was the best head coach ever, but he clearly is not guy he used to be. The old Belichick would have found a way to compensate for the practice rules. Now I wonder how much he cares.

 

[sb1]

Playoffs or not I think some tough questions will have to be asked at the end of the season about the coaching staff including BB.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

At this point the Pats are not even competitive against the Bills (and probably the Phins too). The Pat got smoked by the BEARS! I predicted 6 wins at the beginning of the season, and I might be right!

Jones is clearly not the answer at QB (and neither is Zappe). BB trying to outsmart everyone with his ridiculous reaches in the draft when excellent SEC players are available is going to haunt this team for years. Harry over Brown/Metcalf, Thorton over Pickens, the rest of the draft over Strange.

I also predicted that having Patricia/Judge run the offense was going to be a disaster. Does this make me Nostradamus? NO, it was so plainly simple for everyone not wearing BB colored glasses to see.

Imagine if the Pats had draft Devin Lloyd, gee what could they do with a speedy linebacker? Maybe chase down the running QB that have devastated the Pats defense?

 

[venecol]

It kinda isn’t. Here was the full view of the play. The play was supposed to go to Parker (it is clear he first looks to Parker) who was the sole receiver on the right side of the line. Parker was covered. By the time he turned to the left side of the field and Henry looked back for the ball, the defender was in his face. To say that Jones could have gotten it to Henry is a lie. This was not Mac Jones’ fault.

Play was to Hunter. He looked the wrong way but it's someone else's fault he looked the wrong way. Even Mac has said he needs to improve where his eyes look.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

0-2 on thursday, no more thursdays please

 

[venecol]

Throwbacks record:

Zappe 1-0


Mac 0-1

 

[venecol]

0-2 on thursday, no more thursdays please

0-3 on primetime. One left (MNF) against Zona.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

0-3 on primetime. One left (MNF) against Zona.

yikes. speaking of schedules, why does it seems like we always play miami at the beginning and ending of the season..

 

[Kontradiction]

I didn't see that, I was looking at the other side. Was that who you were talking about @Kontradiction in the left corner of the end zone?

Man...he was standing there waving at him...

Yeah that’s who I was referring to. I’m on my phone so I couldn’t make out the number very well. He could have set up a lemonade stand and made $5 back there while waiting for the ball. It should have been thrown. That’s why just putting the entire blame for the offense’s struggles on one area or one coach, though they both deserve blame, is lazy. Mac has been a very real problem, too.

 

[signbabybrady]

Yeah that’s who I was referring to. I’m on my phone so I couldn’t make out the number very well. He could have set up a lemonade stand and made $5 back there while waiting for the ball. It should have been thrown. That’s why just putting the entire blame for the offense’s struggles on one area or one coach, though they both deserve blame, is lazy. Mac has been a very real problem, too.

I'm having a hard time deciding who deserves the most blame and who deserves a second shot assuming we fix one or two of the other areas. For me I blame OL first, Mac second but the injury very much to blame, then coaching.

Personally I would major revamp all 3 but I'm not sure BB will blow it up like that.

I mean gimme Jimmy, Bob, an expensive LT, and another high drafted OL.

But unless the rest of the season goes as bad as Thursday I'm not sure Bill will. If we still salvage this and make the playoffs it could get real interesting.

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm having a hard time deciding who deserves the most blame and who deserves a second shot assuming we fix one or two of the other areas. For me I blame OL first, Mac second but the injury very much to blame, then coaching.

Personally I would major revamp all 3 but I'm not sure BB will blow it up like that.

I mean gimme Jimmy, Bob, an expensive LT, and another high drafted OL.

But unless the rest of the season goes as bad as Thursday I'm not sure Bill will. If we still salvage this and make the playoffs it could get real interesting.

1. OL
2. Patricia
3. WRs
4. Mac

Injury or not, Mac is showing some very worrying signs about his physical and mental toughness.

 

[h0c2000]

Rham and Uche

It's called rebuilding the roster. We have a lot of very young players. Need a few more.

Have a look at what happens when your team suddenly becomes deficient in a couple areas: this year's Rams. They went from Super Bowl champs to 3-8.

When your team has big holes, other teams will exploit them. It doesn't mean there's no hope. It means you need to get the players to fill the deficiencies/

Rebuilds in the NFL in 2022 take 2-3 years, not 5. I see regression and not progression this year. Since Bill runs the organization as GM and HC it's all on his shoulders. I wouldn't give a year 5.

5 seasons. 1 season above.500. 1 playoff win. That's dismal.


You're still clinging to IBWT despite his gross mishandling of the offensive staff? We're 12 weeks into the third season of the "rebuild" and the offense is blatantly heading in the wrong direction.

For comparison, Shula was above 500 his last 5 seasons. I don't see the Pats above 500 this year or next. Bill would be lucky to surpass Shula before he's 75.

 

[Ross12]

Yeah that’s who I was referring to. I’m on my phone so I couldn’t make out the number very well. He could have set up a lemonade stand and made $5 back there while waiting for the ball. It should have been thrown. That’s why just putting the entire blame for the offense’s struggles on one area or one coach, though they both deserve blame, is lazy. Mac has been a very real problem, too.

I'm with you on this one, Kontra. The coaches and OL have definitely let Mac down at times, but when he's had opportunities he's failed to capitalize.

The tackles blowing it at the goal line and almost causing a safety, yes, totally screwed him. However, plays like this where he runs around forever and has dudes wide open but doesn't throw it and ultimately chooses to just wing it to no one... or the play where he scrambles for a first down but gets scared and half-slides/half-falls a yard shy of the down marker because ?? he's scared of getting hit? And we've seen him do that more than once ... He's got a lot of work to do himself. I don't think he's at the top of the list of issues but he's in the top 5... and I have doubts that he's the long-term QB solution right now.

 

[h0c2000]

@Ross12 - Here's that scramble play

What was parker doing there? he kept moving further out of bounds.

 

[Ross12]

1. OL
2. Patricia
3. WRs
4. Mac

Injury or not, Mac is showing some very worrying signs about his physical and mental toughness.

Lol I didn't even see this post where you numbered the issues when I said "he's in the top 5", I guess we're on the same page for sure.

 

[Kontradiction]

What was parker doing there? he kept moving further out of bounds.

Quitting. I’d say he shouldn’t see the field for the rest of the season but, unless Thornton is ready to assume that role, we need him out there until we are eliminated.

When I coached at the HS levels, that drove me up a f.ucking wall. I can’t stand a quitter.

 

[Sect140]

Sorry , dont want to get into the whole before brady and after brady thing. Sure brady is big reason they won. But the First SB and team building wasnt brady. Brady didnt become brady until 2007 .Bb and his coaching staff and defense were a big part of styming the colts and steelers and rams of that time. People just forget.
The problem is we dont have the defensive and offensive leadership on this team. That falls on him too. And his coaching staff has been drained and whoever he replaced with havent been good enough.

I think Brady became Brady on the game winning drive in the first Rams Super Bowl, also the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl vs Carolina when the defense fell apart due to injuries in the secondary and they couldn’t stop Carolinas offense.

 

[Pats2000]

It kinda isn’t. Here was the full view of the play. The play was supposed to go to Parker (it is clear he first looks to Parker) who was the sole receiver on the right side of the line. Parker was covered. By the time he turned to the left side of the field and Henry looked back for the ball, the defender was in his face. To say that Jones could have gotten it to Henry is a lie. This was not Mac Jones’ fault.

How do you know the receiver progression? You have the Pats playbook? Why would you look to the one reciever running into the teeth of the defense in the middle while you have a 3 reciever set on the other side? 3 chances are better than one. You don't make any sense.

 

[GreenCow]

Bourne was open in the corner end zone of the opposite end of the field, but even Josh Allen or Mahomes couldn’t make that pass.

Yeah they can. In fact, Allen had a TD pass on an almost identical throw against the Patriots last year.

I do agree with you that Mac doesnt have the arm to fit it in there though. It would have been intercepted.