Game Day Thread Official Postgame Thread- Bills @ Pats

[Real fan 02]

Pioli had a voice and Bills respect.

Yes, outside of mayo and Troy brown, have to wonder who's voice he respects?

 

[Rob0729]

One thing I am starting to wonder about is what Kraft thinks. We're in the middle of a stretch of multiple nationally televised games, and the offense looks inept (putting it kindly). That can't be good for business.

You gotta remember Kraft will be 82 next season. How many more seasons does he have left? I am sure he would love to see at least one more ring before he goes. That could be an X factor in what he does in the offseason.

 

[1960Pats]

I've been a big BB guy. I thought it was ridiculous when some were criticizing him and the rebuild 1-2 years post Brady. My opinion has always been that 3 years would be about the right time, and I actually felt very optimistic about the team in the offseason. Well here we are and the rebuild has lost all momentum and we're back at square 1. The weird thing is that I basically feel like we're better OL play and an OC away from being playoff contenders, yet that feels miles away when you have the locker room falling apart and no leadership stepping up. I think BB has earned the benefit of the doubt, and to me that means he gets 1 more year to show that he is moving things in the right direction. A coach without his pedigree would be gone this offseason.

Bill had about 10 years of coaching without Brady. That's a very good sample size. Here are some comparisons to other coaches;

Wrecks Ryan 61-66 reg season, 4-2 playoffs
Blunder Bill 78-85, 1-2
**** Nolan 69-82, 2-3
Mike Zimmer 72-56, 2-3
Jim Caldwell 62-50, 2-4

Belichick is below average without Brady. The numbers don't lie.

 

[1960Pats]

You gotta remember Kraft will be 82 next season. How many more seasons does he have left? I am sure he would love to see at least one more ring before he goes. That could be an X factor in what he does in the offseason.

There's no way that Kraft will see another SB except on the boob tube, especially if he keeps the current train wreck of coaches.
If there was a way I'd like to see Mike Vrabel come back here as HC.

 

[chasa]

Trent Brown was physically sick yesterday!!! He shouldn't have played but we had nobody to put at LT. He deserves a mulligan for yesterday. I think his best position is RT though.

I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but this is the second game in a row we've see him try and block somebody by Literally lying down and playing dead.

At some point trent is going to run out of mulligans.

 

[Triumph]

So the Bills block for Allen because they know he gets rid of the ball quickly and the Patriots don't block for Jones because he is a statue. You do realize that prior to this week, Jones averaged 2.4 seconds in the pocket before pressure and Allen averaged 2.5 seconds. In averages, 0.1% is not insignificant.

You do realize that Bledsoe was a four time Pro Bowler (when making the Pro Bowl actually meant something) and was a top 5-10 QB for much of the 1990s? And he led to the Pats to the Super Bowl? And he had good years after he left the Patriots? I don't get your reference. Are you arguing Jones is a good QB hindered by the players around him? Because that was the case with Bledsoe during the Zampese years.

And I don't get why you would compare him to Brady since Jones isn't Brady and the the 2022 Patriots defense isn't the Patriots defenses of the early 2000s.

The Brady example is what can happen when a good QB replaces a Dud at QB like Mac Jones.

Brady was not the GOAT in 2001. Simply a QB who executed the plays given from the sideline. The same plays that Bledsoe bungled and failed at.

A piece of BB and the Patriot way died last night when BB refused to play Zappe to try and win.

 

[upstater1]

Aside from Thornton and maybe Parker, we've already seen enough of these guys. Delaying that determination is insanity at this point.

Meyers is good. Henry is misused

 

[captain stone]

While the Bills were grinding out that nine-minute drive in the first half, I swear on my mother's grave that God spoke these words to me:

"Here's the plan: Matt Patricia and Joe Judge switch jobs with Bailey Zappe and Mac Jones. Mac and Bailey call the plays and build their offense around naked bootlegs. Line goes left, Matt goes right and vice versa. Matt goes on IR. In comes Joe Judge. Line goes right, Joe goes left and vice versa. It called the "Hair of the Dog that Bit You" offense."

Sounds like you & Reece Bobby need to lay off the peyote...

 

[upstater1]

I don't. I'm sick of pushing WR on the backburner. It doesn't work in todays NFL. Get someone you know is good, then if they don't work, we can evaluate what we need on the OL. Right now we are just guessing that we'll get everything else right and maybe these guys will be good. Maybe if we had a more effective passing game people would respect it more and take some pressure off the line. I'd rather start with proven and work backwards than start with "well maybe if we fix this it will improve this" and I certainty don't want to build a good offensive line to find out the receivers suck and then watch us waste it.

What do you call pushing it on the backburner? We need a good tackle more than we need a WR. What are your plans?

 

[1960Pats]

here you go..found something pretty quick.

Former Lions strike back gleefully at Matt Patricia being fired

Former Lions players are thrilled to see Patricia get fired

lionswire.usatoday.com

Holy crap! Patricia actually told one of his own players that he'd end his career? That sounds like what he's trying to do here with Bourne.

I also remember him telling a reporter in Detroit to sit up straight at a presser.

What a POS.

 

[upstater1]

Sure man, he just threw it to a DB in the EZ after all that. Not pathetic at all.

Oh yeah, sure he had a ton of open WRs on that play, none of these geniuses thought to run back to the QB like they're supposed to. There's not a single WR between the 30 and goalline.

 

[Rob0729]

The Brady example is what can happen when a good QB replaces a Dud at QB like Mac Jones.

Brady was not the GOAT in 2001. Simply a QB who executed the plays given from the sideline. The same plays that Bledsoe bungled and failed at.

A piece of BB and the Patriot way died last night when BB refused to play Zappe to try and win.

Brady is the GOAT. Stop it.

Bledsoe is a perfect example how the scheme and coaching can make a QB look bad if it is a wrong fit. Bledsoe's problem was he wasn't a scheme fit for what the Pats wanted to run. He went to the Bills and the following year he made the Pro Bowl. You do realize in 2002 that Bledsoe was a Pro Bowler and Brady wasn't? The year after Brady replaced Bledsoe as the Patriots starter. So you think Mac Jones is a Pro Bowl caliber QB.

Probably didn't want to ruin Zappe forever. Zappe would have been a disaster last night with defenders breaking through the o-line without being touched.

 

[captain stone]

“If it doesn’t work out blame me”
—BB in September on hiring Patricia as playcaller

Don't worry Billy, I do.

I only hope that the Krafts do too.

 

[1960Pats]

you wish it didn't happen. Typical trolling.

It won't happen, not with this clown show we have now.

I remember a very respected poster telling you politely some time ago that you shouldn't take things personal. Instead of taking his advice you ramped up the negativity and personal attacks. Good luck with that.

 

[Ross12]

You gotta remember Kraft will be 82 next season. How many more seasons does he have left? I am sure he would love to see at least one more ring before he goes. That could be an X factor in what he does in the offseason.

I still remember his comments about how it was tough spending so much cash last year on free agents. Look what that's gotten them. Sure, a few were hits - but the majority of those high-priced FA acquisitions have regressed or never did anything to begin with. If the Pats end up with a losing record just a year after he spent all that money and then he's expected to spend a tidy sum again in 2022 I wouldn't be shocked if he started getting involved in things - which will obviously make Bill mad. Who knows how that ends.

 

[captain stone]

U cannot believe so many people are blaming Mac for this offensive offense. This is all play design, preparation, and situational football. This falls squarely on the coaching staff. Mac was fine in this game.

The coaching staff gets a F, and that goes for Belichick too. After watching this game, I really am starting to feel like starting with a whole new group could be the answer. I always thought Belichick would get at least another year, but I am unsure if that is the answer.

This team has been poorly coached since Brady left and I don't know if that will change until a new group comes in.

At the very least, Bill needs yo get himself real coaches

Completely agree... But Mac needs to shoulder his share of the blame, around 20-25% of it.

It's the Grand Slam of Suck: Coaches, OL, QB, and Nelson Agholor.

 

[Real fan 02]

The Brady example is what can happen when a good QB replaces a Dud at QB like Mac Jones.

Brady was not the GOAT in 2001. Simply a QB who executed the plays given from the sideline. The same plays that Bledsoe bungled and failed at.

A piece of BB and the Patriot way died last night when BB refused to play Zappe to try and win.

Can zappe play corner?

 

[1960Pats]

I don't know. My post was speculation on a way out for Bill as a response if a regime change was immanent. I don't believe it is. I have no idea what Jonathan's relationship with Steven or or Brian is.

Yeah, I also don't know, but I don't get the feeling that Bill would have an issue if Jonathan was running things.

 

[Ian]

Bill had about 10 years of coaching without Brady. That's a very good sample size. Here are some comparisons to other coaches;

Wrecks Ryan 61-66 reg season, 4-2 playoffs
Blunder Bill 78-85, 1-2
**** Nolan 69-82, 2-3
Mike Zimmer 72-56, 2-3
Jim Caldwell 62-50, 2-4

Belichick is below average without Brady. The numbers don't lie.

In fairness, every good coach suffered after they lost their guy. You can either win with a great quarterback or a great roster (like they did with Cassel in 2008). Right now, they have neither.

 

[1960Pats]

Completely agree... But Mac needs to shoulder his share of the blame, around 20-25% of it.

It's the Grand Slam of Suck: Coaches, OL, QB, and Nelson Agholor.

It's kind of amazing how Bill let so many top quality players go, with a record of winning it all, and gave that cash to other lesser players. I think his defenders were saying that he likes to spend on depth and not on top players. Somehow we ended up with neither.