Isaiah Wynn Removes all Patriots references from his social media accounts

[Hyped]

Dunno about trading away an OT. Yeah, we have Brown, Cannon, and Cajuste....but we traded away Herron already...and Brown/Cannon can get injured and miss games.....

I do like the idea of getting his hefty contract off the cap though....and if we can get a player in return....hmmm..... we certainly aren't going to resign Wynn in March....he'll command too much $$$. Right now there is a desperate need across the entire league for OT.....

 

[VJCPatriot]

People are forgetting that the Patriots opted to pick up his 2022 fifth-year option and retain him for $10.4 million. So the idea that he was a complete bust is simply wrong. As I said before, switching to RT has undone him - not everyone can easily make that switch.

If there is a team out there that needs a LT, there is a trade to be made.

Incorrect. The Patriots made a mistake picking up his 5th year option. That's evident by his bad attitude and the way he has played this season which is carelessly and costing the team with penalties.

Draft picks are an opportunity cost so a poor pick in the 1st round always hurts even if the guy gave us mediocre but not quite league bottom tackle play.



Hell, Wynn's salary of 10m dollars this year is an opportunity cost. Imagine if we were spending 10m a year on a free agent who was better helping us win instead?

Yes let's trade him ASAP. Don't know if we'll get more than a bag of chips but the cap space could be used on someone who actually wants to be here.

 

[Rob0729]

This move is less likely that Wynn being traded and more likely that Wynn has been benched in favor of Marcus Cannon.

 

[Water Boy]

I'm going to get lit up for this take but I kind of understand Wynn being a little disgruntled if he's legitimately not comfortable as a right tackle assuming its a legit problem for him. Not saying he "deserves" the LT spot or any spot for that matter, but in a contract year its understandable if its in his head knowing his earnings potential has bit the dust. I know the sharks in the water will gleefully boast that he's always sucked no matter what side of the line he's played and they knew it from day one, but he was a serviceable LT for us for a few years on a rookie contract. It just turns out he's not worthy of franchise LT money.

 

[TBR]

McDaniels and the Raiders probably send a 7th rounder for him.

 

[Love The Drake]

We will be lucky to get a conditional 6th for him.

McDaniels and the Raiders probably send a 7th rounder for him.

How about we swap him for their DL bust Collin Ferrel.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm going to get lit up for this take but I kind of understand Wynn being a little disgruntled if he's legitimately not comfortable as a right tackle assuming its a legit problem for him. Not saying he "deserves" the LT spot or any spot for that matter, but in a contract year its understandable if its in his head knowing his earnings potential has bit the dust. I know the sharks in the water will gleefully boast that he's always sucked no matter what side of the line he's played and they knew it from day one, but he was a serviceable LT for us for a few years on a rookie contract. It just turns out he's not worthy of franchise LT money.

If he didn't want to get shifted, he should have tried sucking less at left tackle.

 

[Jlaff]

I still see this season to be about next seasons. So using the opportunity for moving on from disgruntled player (although my binikie) who's struggling with new position that doesn't suit his skillset or his desires for a healthy portion of cap is a good idea despite depth issues.

The re-emergence of Cannon - one of the most important roster developments this season - makes this possible.
With Onwenu plan B option - and an upgrade at that - there's really not much to think about esp. if you can unload most of remaining contract.

RG should not be a problem if needed. Hines showed glimpses of early Onwenu and there are decent vets out there to plug'n'play.

When healthy (and motivated) Wynn is still above average NFL LT so teams around the league should def be interested.

If Patsfans.com doesn't accept that Wynn playing out of position has lead to his poor play it seems too much to ask that GMs around the league would do so.

 

[Patriot Missile]

lol at the so called Chubb fans coming out of the woodwork. It’s got to be one of the most hindsight debates ever in the Pats draft. If you say with 100% certainty that Chubb was gonna be this much better than Michel than I call bs right away. The numbers don’t support that in anyway. Chubb had reconstructive knee surgery so the injury history theory in college doesn’t hold water either.

Michel was a better pass catcher, better in pass protection and could still rack up the yards and tds. The Rose bowl vs Oklahoma Michel had 180 yards and 4 tds. Chubb had the power advantage and td ability

I get that Chubb is the superior rb and it’s not even a question but I don’t get that some fans keep hammering it home that the decision was an easy one at the time considering their college careers for BB and the scouts. The evidence just wasn’t there unlike when they chose Harry over over the sec wr’s that went against proven competition and pretty much dominated.

 

[Jlaff]

Tackle is the most tenuous position on the Team. If you know who sustains an injury (hate to even think it much less say it) we are screwed.

I'm not hating the idea of parking him on the bench as Brown insurance. Sucks he's making what he makes but it is what it is. Look at the cap hits at TE.

 

[Bill Lee]

Draft picks are an opportunity cost so a poor pick in the 1st round always hurts even if the guy gave us mediocre but not quite league bottom tackle play.

That's like saying a batter striking out in a baseball game has an opportunity cost. True, but not particularly insightful.

 

[Jlaff]

lol at the so called Chubb fans coming out of the woodwork. It’s got to be one of the most hindsight debates ever in the Pats draft. If you say with 100% certainty that Chubb was gonna be this much better than Michel than I call bs right away. The numbers don’t support that in anyway. Chubb had reconstructive knee surgery so the injury history theory in college doesn’t hold water either.

Michel was a better pass catcher, better in pass protection and could still rack up the yards and tds. The Rose bowl vs Oklahoma Michel had 180 yards and 4 tds. Chubb had the power advantage and td ability

I get that Chubb is the superior rb and it’s not even a question but I don’t get that some fans keep hammering it home that the decision was an easy one at the time considering their college careers for BB and the scouts. The evidence just wasn’t there unlike when they chose Harry over over the sec wr’s that went against proven competition and pretty much dominated.

I recall a few posters being mildly disappointed they didn't go with Chubb over Michel when it happened. Not outrage, but there was definitely a contingent on here that was Chubb>Michel.

 

[Water Boy]

I'm not hating the idea of parking him on the bench as Brown insurance. Sucks he's making what he makes but it is what it is. Look at the cap hits at TE.

It is what it is. Seems like BB is ok with paying guys on 5th year contracts when it's a bridge year. At least there is no dead cap hit. Not sure there was a viable FA option this year. Hopefully we hit gold in the 2023 Draft.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

lol at the so called Chubb fans coming out of the woodwork. It’s got to be one of the most hindsight debates ever in the Pats draft. If you say with 100% certainty that Chubb was gonna be this much better than Michel than I call bs right away.

Well, on the ground here in Atlanta, my mutt friends couldn't believe that the Pats took Michel over Chubb. To a man (and woman) they all considered Chubb a much better player. I didn't have an opinion because I can't stand any of the leghumpers, but from the casual fans to the insiders at U(sic)GA, there was no doubt who the better prospect was.

 

[Deus Irae]

lol at the so called Chubb fans coming out of the woodwork. It’s got to be one of the most hindsight debates ever in the Pats draft. If you say with 100% certainty that Chubb was gonna be this much better than Michel than I call bs right away. The numbers don’t support that in anyway. Chubb had reconstructive knee surgery so the injury history theory in college doesn’t hold water either.

Michel was a better pass catcher, better in pass protection and could still rack up the yards and tds. The Rose bowl vs Oklahoma Michel had 180 yards and 4 tds. Chubb had the power advantage and td ability

I get that Chubb is the superior rb and it’s not even a question but I don’t get that some fans keep hammering it home that the decision was an easy one at the time considering their college careers for BB and the scouts. The evidence just wasn’t there unlike when they chose Harry over over the sec wr’s that went against proven competition and pretty much dominated.

It wasn't hindsight. It was day one. And this site really needs to stop with the "only in hindsight" nonsense, because it's almost never true.

 

[Patsgofor4]

lol at the so called Chubb fans coming out of the woodwork. It’s got to be one of the most hindsight debates ever in the Pats draft. If you say with 100% certainty that Chubb was gonna be this much better than Michel than I call bs right away. The numbers don’t support that in anyway. Chubb had reconstructive knee surgery so the injury history theory in college doesn’t hold water either.

Michel was a better pass catcher, better in pass protection and could still rack up the yards and tds. The Rose bowl vs Oklahoma Michel had 180 yards and 4 tds. Chubb had the power advantage and td ability

I get that Chubb is the superior rb and it’s not even a question but I don’t get that some fans keep hammering it home that the decision was an easy one at the time considering their college careers for BB and the scouts. The evidence just wasn’t there unlike when they chose Harry over over the sec wr’s that went against proven competition and pretty much dominated.

Don’t you know that we have a group of truly elite draft prognosticators amongst us? They are always right, as long as they have 1 to 2 years of evidence before giving their delayed pre-draft analyses. There is always hell to pay if Bill and Co. don’t choose the players in real-time that those posters choose with the help of their retrospectoscopes.

In hindsight, Chubb should’ve been the choice (duh) but on draft night the Michel pick was widely praised. I distinctly remember reading many tweets from across the country, written by hard-core college football fans, lamenting the fact that Michel was going to ball out for the Patriots and that he was perfect for their system.

 

[VJCPatriot]

That's like saying a batter striking out in a baseball game has an opportunity cost. True, but not particularly insightful.

That's an incorrect analogy.

An opportunity cost arises from making choices, for example draft player A or draft player B.

A batter striking out is a contest of skills and to some degree chance. The batter doesn't 'choose' to strike out.

Let's give two real world examples of opportunity cost:

Example 1. In round 2 of the 2001 NFL Draft, BB chose to select at #48 Matt Light, a franchise tackle for the Patriots for the next decade. He could have chosen instead to take RB Lamont Jordan who went later at pick #49. Lamont Jordan was a mediocre RB who had an unspectacular career. Taking Lamont Jordan instead would have been the opportunity cost to miss out on Matt Light. So BB could have been said to make the most of that opportunity with his pick. A franchise left tackle is more valuable than even a good running back.

Example 2. In round 1 of the 2018 NFL Draft, BB chose to select at #23 Isaiah Wynn, a mediocre left tackle who has never produced better than an average NFL starting tackle in his career. The opportunity cost is Lamar Jackson who went at #32 overall. BB acquired a mediocre left tackle and missed out on a franchise QB. Jackson would go on to win the MVP award in 2019 and has been selected to two pro bowls.

So this pick was a massive miss. The miss is exacerbated by the fact that the Patriots had an aging QB and a general manager who would refuse to extend his QB long term. Drafting Jackson as part of a calculated succession plan was surely the best value for the pick. This opportunity miss is especially egregious since BB traded away Jimmy Garoppolo in just the year prior leaving a gaping vacancy in the QB succession plan.

 

[The Trickster]

That's an incorrect analogy.

An opportunity cost arises from making choices, for example draft player A or draft player B.

A batter striking out is a contest of skills and to some degree chance. The batter doesn't 'choose' to strike out.

Let's give two real world examples of opportunity cost:

Example 1. In round 2 of the 2001 NFL Draft, BB chose to select at #48 Matt Light, a franchise tackle for the Patriots for the next decade. He could have chosen instead to take RB Lamont Jordan who went later at pick #49. Lamont Jordan was a mediocre RB who had an unspectacular career. Taking Lamont Jordan instead would have been the opportunity cost to miss out on Matt Light. So BB could have been said to make the most of that opportunity with his pick. A franchise left tackle is more valuable than even a good running back.

Example 2. In round 1 of the 2018 NFL Draft, BB chose to select at #23 Isaiah Wynn, a mediocre left tackle who has never produced better than an average NFL starting tackle in his career. The opportunity cost is Lamar Jackson who went at #32 overall. BB acquired a mediocre left tackle and missed out on a franchise QB. Jackson would go on to win the MVP award in 2019 and has been selected to two pro bowls.

So this pick was a massive miss. The miss is exacerbated by the fact that the Patriots had an aging QB and a general manager who would refuse to extend his QB long term. Drafting Jackson as part of a calculated succession plan was surely the best value for the pick. This opportunity miss is especially egregious since BB traded away Jimmy Garoppolo in just the year prior leaving a gaping vacancy in the QB succession plan.

Yes that's right .... BB sucks.
Always did.

 

[VrabelJr]

Oooh nice another thread turned towards the “BB is bad because he doesn’t nail every pick in the face of billions of unforeseen possibilities” angle

 

[VJCPatriot]

Yes that's right .... BB sucks.
Always did.

And that's exactly the type of illogical comment used to justify BB's failures.

He made good drafting decisions in his early years with the Patriots as given with his good decision to draft Matt Light in 2001 in example 1.

But BB's drafting over the past decade outside of 2021 has been lackluster at best. His only pro bowl selection was Dont'a Hightower in 2012?

And one concedes that the 2021 draft was successful are you really going to tell me with a straight face that you'd rather have Bailey Zappe or even Mac Jones over former NFL MVP and freak QB athlete Lamar Jackson? If you actually reply yes to that question, I'd say you might need to check those homer glasses.