Mac Jones Injury Video [UPDATE - X-Rays were negative]

[VectorPrime]

Belichick is currently having the most embarrassing press conference hes ever held.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Scott Zolak: I don't think Mac Jones is having surgery

On Zolak & Bertrand, Scott Zolak explained why he doesn't think Mac Jones will be undergoing surgery for his high-ankle sprain.

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[Calhoun44]

Pretty much all of the concerns with the offense that Beddard pointed out during TC have come to pass. He's not a complete fool making stuff up. Honestly, Lazar, Reiss, Daniels, etc. all raised concerns with what they saw from the offense. Their job is to report what they see, not to root blindly for the team. I appreciate honest viewpoints from others given how secretive the Patriots organization is.

If I want uber homer delusional takes like: this team is going 13-4; Pats are a contender; Patricia is a good coach so he can coach anything; Bill is always right & we need to trust him, etc. I'll come to Patsfans.com

First off, not a single coach/GM is right all the time. I don't think anyone expects that to occur. However, I believe he is right more often than he is wrong and more often than any coach you could bring in to replace him. That is the only metric that matters and that leads me to the "trust' you speak of. It seems like many posters have it in for BB because they are mad at him for Brady's departure, they have unrealistic expectations for the rebuild, and/or they don't like his personality. Don't get me wrong there are many things I question about BB's choices, but I am not so naive that I think that I have more knowledge and inside information on the team than BB and his coaching staff do. I feel like so much of the complaining that people are doing here is very reactionary and uninformed.

Beddard=broken clock or blind squirrel...

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Belichick is currently having the most embarrassing press conference hes ever held.

Still bitter about Brady leaving town, eh?

 

[venecol]

 

[Mack Herron]

Curious to see if he goes on IR before the game.

 

[Real fan 02]

Not going to argue against that poster being a troll, but in this case they've got a point. The TE approach of late has been less than impressive.

The TEs specifically hunter Henry is a talented pass catcher.. it was painful to watch how Mark andrews ate us up all day.. no attempts to take him out the game.. we have never been a team that was all that good against taking away great TE om defense.. that area has always been a struggle going back to Dallas Clark in indy..

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

“Probably wont practice today”

 

[VectorPrime]

This is unbelievably pathetic.

 

[Triumph]

The TEs specifically hunter Henry is a talented pass catcher.. it was painful to watch how Mark andrews ate us up all day.. no attempts to take him out the game.. we have never been a team that was all that good against taking away great TE om defense.. that area has always been a struggle going back to Dallas Clark in indy..

McCourty had Andrews covered but failed to turn around.

This Pats team has so much offensive talent that's being underutilized. Harris, Stevenson, Jonnu and Henry? Cmon man.

 

[Triumph]

Rehabbing and taking shots does not bode well for the passing game.

 

[signbabybrady]

This is unbelievably pathetic.

I don't know I've always laughed off the way he interacts with the media and he's never answered injury questions unless the guy is going to full IR. I don't know why he would do anything different this time. Sounds like more complaining for the sake of complaining but have fun hitting your head against the wall expecting different.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I don't know I've always laughed off the way he interacts with the media and he's never answered injury questions unless the guy is going to full IR. I don't know why he would do anything different this time. Sounds like more complaining for the sake of complaining but have fun hitting your head against the wall expecting different.

He's just bitter about Belichick not re-signing Brady until he's 50...I wouldn't pay too much attention to him.

 

[JayNM]

Sorry, I didn’t really understand this post. I’m still not seeing why you’d think RPO’s require a mobile qb.
Also, Tua beat us with them before having a great receiving corps. RPO’s would actually be a good idea for a team with a LESS talented wr corps. Rather than relying on guys to win 1v1 matchups, you scheme them open by putting defenders in conflict.

It doesnt "require" a mobile QB, what it does require is a way to make up for the marginal time consumed deciding in-play what is better

Athletic QBs can make up for it with better athletiscism, escaping sacks or running away from the pocket. Elite receivers can unlatch their defenders on time. Great OL can hold defenders for longer. These are the 3 easiest ways that i see it working on top of my head, but Im sure there are more

I would like to understand your bolded part better, in what way do you create conflict? Are you talking about "general" conflict that happens in longer plays? Or are you suggesting passing concepts that involve multiple, LONG, fixed routes in order to directly cause conflicts? Both of which I cannot see happening, reliably, in the NFL. The former bc good team are well-coached and the latter bc I do not know of any passing concept that "causes conflict" after the first one or two breaks in any route

Or you could be talking examples from College, which I do not care about for nor do I think are good translation for the NFL, no matter how good Alabama or whatever is (personal opinion)

 

[Pacific Coast Patriot]

Curious to see if he goes on IR before the game.

Is BB joking? Is the injury not 4-6 week situation? How on earth can he say he's DEFINITELY getting better when the swelling probably hasn't even gone down yet.

The Packers aren't sitting there scratching their heads as to who will be at QB, he's fooling no one but himself with these statements.

 

[Pats1971]

He's just bitter about Belichick not re-signing Brady until he's 50...I wouldn't pay too much attention to him.

Why are you out here you should be over trolling the greatest QB of all time telling people that he is not good because he won 7 superbowls instead of 10.

 

[venecol]

First off, not a single coach/GM is right all the time. I don't think anyone expects that to occur. However, I believe he is right more often than he is wrong and more often than any coach you could bring in to replace him. That is the only metric that matters and that leads me to the "trust' you speak of. It seems like many posters have it in for BB because they are mad at him for Brady's departure, they have unrealistic expectations for the rebuild, and/or they don't like his personality. Don't get me wrong there are many things I question about BB's choices, but I am not so naive that I think that I have more knowledge and inside information on the team than BB and his coaching staff do. I feel like so much of the complaining that people are doing here is very reactionary and uninformed.

Beddard=broken clock or blind squirrel...

My reasons for not blindly trusting BB are simple: there's very little he's done since 2019 that gives me confidence we're on the right path. From GM decisions in drafts or FAcy to coaches staffing decisions. It was good to see them make the WC last season but the playoff outcome was not surprising.

Sure, he's got a great unsurpassed record in winning SBs. That's all in the past. He wouldn't be the first coach that failed to produce in his latter years. There are plenty of great HCs that simply had the game pass them by in their late 60s, early 70s. It happens.

I've pointed out since the offseason concerns about being able to relate to this new generation of players that are sooo different than the dynasty ones. I believe he brought back High & the other older vets last season to help him inculcate the young guys in his ways. They're all gone now (except Slater & McC). We've seen issues with Bourne and now possibly Mac.

I don't have unrealistic expectations for the rebuild since I didn't think they would be a contender this season based on the lack of offseason moves. I always believed 2023 would be the year to assess their progress. However, based on the coaches he installed and what's happened, I believe the team has taken a step back despite spending a record amount of $ last season and drafting a 1st Rd QB.

As fans we're entitled to our opinions based on all the information we can gleen

 

[gitgronked82]

It doesnt "require" a mobile QB, what it does require is a way to make up for the marginal time consumed deciding in-play what is better

Athletic QBs can make up for it with better athletiscism, escaping sacks or running away from the pocket. Elite receivers can unlatch their defenders on time. Great OL can hold defenders for longer. These are the 3 easiest ways that i see it working on top of my head, but Im sure there are more

I would like to understand your bolded part better, in what way do you create conflict? Are you talking about "general" conflict that happens in longer plays? Or are you suggesting passing concepts that involve multiple, LONG, fixed routes in order to directly cause conflicts? Both of which I cannot see happening, reliably, in the NFL. The former bc good team are well-coached and the latter bc I do not know of any passing concept that "causes conflict" after the first one or two breaks in any route

Or you could be talking examples from College, which I do not care about for nor do I think are good translation for the NFL, no matter how good Alabama or whatever is (personal opinion)

The point of RPOs is to put a defender in conflict, and certainly not by requiring multiple long fixed routes. They’re generally going to be built off of quick game. This is the exact fundamental basis of RPOs. What you’re referring to (long-developing routes, QB running) really isn’t relevant in these concepts.
For example, a run to the right with a glance route coming from the left with a receiver. If the LB you’re reading crashes down into the box for the run, you hit the glance. Quickly. If he stays back and outside to play the pass, you hand it off.

For example, watch this first clip (Mac and Smith running it at Bama. The concepts are absolutely the same whether college or nfl, but that paints a clear illustration)


If you’re looking for nfl-only examples (for some reason), here is Doug Peterson talking about it over plenty of film of the Eagles running it. And as he alludes to, it puts the targeted LBs/safeties in conflict. He also mentions that it doesn’t require the qb to run. It’s hand off or throw it quickly.

 

[JayNM]

The point of RPOs is to put a defender in conflict, and certainly not by requiring multiple long fixed routes. They’re generally going to be built off of quick game. This is the exact fundamental basis of RPOs. What you’re referring to (long-developing routes, QB running) really isn’t relevant in these concepts.
For example, a run to the right with a glance route coming from the left with a receiver. If the LB you’re reading crashes down into the box for the run, you hit the glance. Quickly. If he stays back and outside to play the pass, you hand it off.

For example, watch this first clip (Mac and Smith running it at Bama. The concepts are absolutely the same whether college or nfl, but that paints a clear illustration)


If you’re looking for nfl-only examples (for some reason), here is Doug Peterson talking about it over plenty of film of the Eagles running it. And as he alludes to, it puts the targeted LBs/safeties in conflict. He also mentions that it doesn’t require the qb to run. It’s hand off or throw it quickly.

I appreciate the answer, but... It doesnt sell it for me. First of all, your second video is unavailable to me (must be country reason, but idk)

But if I take your first video, using the Glance as an example, there are 5 samplesright? 4 passes (1, 2, 3, 5), 1 run (4).

I do not like the fact that the decision-making process goes through ONE route, being the Glance:
1st - it's simplistic. I like it simplicity, but to have it being 1/3rd of your chances for a first down based on a momentanous QB read? I think it makes way more sense when you have an un-even playing field (which is my opinion on college football, although Ill be the first to say that Im dumb in this aspect...) and you know you have the better pieces.

Like, in the NFL, how many OLBs would simply... stay put, or have the jumping ability or the awareness to not get fooled by the RPO and simply delay their action a fraction? if the opponent is a RPO heavy team, they will be coached to expect these... These small advantage, localized in ONE area (in this case, the Glance Route) are, to me, gold's fooly in a uber athletic, competitive playing field. And these guys, especially a good one, or a good coach, will have safeguards to defend the run/pass...

Just to be clear, Im not trying to change your mind or anything, but I think the opportunity cost is just not there for RPO's.... you can blame microeconomics for this one: I'd rather have the full team focused on doing ALL routes/blocking/ whatever for one specific play making sure everyone has a chance to "become open", then risking all players "knowing" the best course of action based on ONE read that only the QB and the WR do (basically)

I have more to say about your first paragraph (ok, one route is the hot route, but aren't you relying on the others to be good "long term" developers if your run option is a no-go and your primary is unobtainable?). Im liking this discussion, so I hope I was understandable. If there is anything I wasnt too clear, let me know

 

[upstater1]

Belichick is currently having the most embarrassing press conference hes ever held.

Good!. I love the way he mocks the media idiots in this town. They deserve it. And more.

McAfee was right when they ridiculed the Boston media this morning.