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Do you believe we will be a super bowl contender with Mac?


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Let's say, for argument's sake, that it is because Bill didn't want to get BoB for a single season and then lose him and have to get another OC. Is that worth the experiment with Patricia this year, knowing BoB is still available next year?
My guess is that since Patricia is here for the foreseeable future, that's why they went that route. The one positive to take away from this is the fact that each week, we are seeing slight changes and them at least being OK with admitting there are things that don't work and getting rid of them.

But I will say featuring Parker needs to stop. Don't get me wrong, they need to pick their spots with him because he can clearly make plays in the right situations, but they also need to get other guys the ball. You can't complete 5-of-10 to a guy and think that just because he finished with 156yds that it was OK.

I mean, did they honestly think he'd finish the day with 250+ yards receiving? That's a little ridiculous, yet the targets sort of tell you that's what they thought if they had Mac continue throwing it there. Obviously, they didn't expect the INTs, but still, it's not like they don't have some relatively talented other people they could be getting involved also.
 
I just rewatched this highlight reel of the Ravens game, and for a lot of it, Mac has a real sense of urgency, is pretty fearless, is slinging the ball well. He looks better here than I remember watching on Sunday. Someone could make a case that the 2 of the 3 interceptions (the last two) were either not entirely his fault (number 2) or a necessary risk given the time and scoreboard situation (number 3). FYI/point of interest/this made me like him more.


Well..

1) Its a highlight reel of course he will look good.
2) He also had 2 dropped interceptions that were 100% on him.

To answer the question. I think Mac is a capable starting QB... But I view Mac as a Garrapolo/Tannehill/Cousins tier quarterback. And that really isn't a knock on him. Can make plays, has NFL caliber talent, but isn't/won't be a superstar. Would love to be pleasantly surprised but I think he's closer to those guys than he is Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes/Wilson/Allen. I do think he has the right mentality but he doesn't have the talent or playmaking abilities as the latter group (superstars).
 
I don't think many on here were around when we were trotting out Scott Secules or Babe Parilli at QB.
 
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Well..

1) Its a highlight reel of course he will look good.
2) He also had 2 dropped interceptions that were 100% on him.

To answer the question. I think Mac is a capable starting QB... But I view Mac as a Garrapolo/Tannehill/Cousins tier quarterback. And that really isn't a knock on him. Can make plays, has NFL caliber talent, but isn't/won't be a superstar. Would love to be pleasantly surprised but I think he's closer to those guys than he is Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes/Wilson/Allen. I do think he has the right mentality but he doesn't have the talent or playmaking abilities as the latter group (superstars).

Point taken on being a highlight reel. All the missed passes, sacks, drops, almost-interceptions, etc., paints in the picture I saw in real time.
 
I agree with this. # 3 also saw the ball barely released before he took the hit, as that didn't seem to be the case watching it in real-time.
Do you think he is driving the ball deep, and doing so causing it to sail, or at times even float? Mechanical? Mental? Trying to put too much on those types of throws?
 
I remember thinking we were pretty set at QB with ... Ugh I hate to admit this... Hugh Millen under center...
I remember Michael Timpson @ WR and Tommy Hudson I think @ QB bwoy we use to suck.
 
Well..

1) Its a highlight reel of course he will look good.
2) He also had 2 dropped interceptions that were 100% on him.

To answer the question. I think Mac is a capable starting QB... But I view Mac as a Garrapolo/Tannehill/Cousins tier quarterback. And that really isn't a knock on him. Can make plays, has NFL caliber talent, but isn't/won't be a superstar. Would love to be pleasantly surprised but I think he's closer to those guys than he is Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes/Wilson/Allen. I do think he has the right mentality but he doesn't have the talent or playmaking abilities as the latter group (superstars).
The dropped pick on the goal line was not 100% on him. Henry released his block (seemingly for no reason) and allowed that defender
to undercut it. You can say Mac still holds SOME blame, but far less than 100%. This is what it looked like when Mac was starting his throw. Then Henry released that guy and he almost picked it.

Also, as I’m assuming people have noted, the pick in the endzone was largely on Parker, not Mac. Parker didn’t get the call and didn’t run the route Mac was expecting. Parker stayed with his man-beater pick route, while Mac threw it up for a goal line fade.
 
The dropped pick on the goal line was not 100% on him. Henry released his block (seemingly for no reason) and allowed that defender
to undercut it. You can say Mac still holds SOME blame, but far less than 100%. This is what it looked like when Mac was starting his throw. Then Henry released that guy and he almost picked it.

Also, as I’m assuming people have noted, the pick in the endzone was largely on Parker, not Mac. Parker didn’t get the call and didn’t run the route Mac was expecting. Parker stayed with his man-beater pick route, while Mac threw it up for a goal line fade.
Has it been mentioned that Hunter Henry is not having a good year? That Strip sack and TD in Miami was partly his fault. The kid is clueless this year and is a suspect blocker to boot.
 

Lots going on, but Mac did not suddenly become careless. Coaching, personnel, terminology changes all contribute.

Ok so Fat Matt is geting all the blame I wonder what is Judges role? From Daniel Jones to Mac Jones keep Judge away from the Jones's he's Jones killer.
 
I remember thinking we were pretty set at QB with ... Ugh I hate to admit this... Hugh Millen under center...
In those days "pretty set" meant that we might come close! Not that I'm longing for mediocrity... but boy have we become spoiled!
 

Lots going on, but Mac did not suddenly become careless. Coaching, personnel, terminology changes all contribute.

How odd, I mean belichick is still here....what could have happened....
 

Lots going on, but Mac did not suddenly become careless. Coaching, personnel, terminology changes all contribute.

The Pats are trying to let Mac be Mahomes when he cant do it because of his limitations.
 
I recall the days of the Drew Bledsoe debate.

Drew needs _______________________________ and he will be great. It was never Bledsoe's fault for coming up short. Then Brady took over and began winning big games with the exact same people that were not good enough for Bledsoe. Today, this NE team has plenty of talent on it to make the post season with the right QB.

The Pats wont be going anywhere this year because of 1 player and not because of the other 52 players
Bledsoe got Glenn and Martin and we went to the super bowl and won 2 division titles.

Who does mac have even close to the talent level of a prime Curtis Martin and Terry Glenn?
 
Bledsoe got Glenn and Martin and we went to the super bowl and won 2 division titles.

Who does mac have even close to the talent level of a prime Curtis Martin and Terry Glenn?

Harris is averaging 4.6 YPC. Stevenson is averaging 5.0 YPC. Agahlor is catching 78% of his targets and Bourne is catching 77%. Jonnu Smith and Henry are post season caliber TEs. This team has plenty of talent.

The Pats have turned the ball over 8 times in 3 games and the QB is responsible for 6 turnovers.
 
It's way to early to make any decisive statements about Mac and wether he is our next franchise guy.
 
Do you think he is driving the ball deep, and doing so causing it to sail, or at times even float? Mechanical? Mental? Trying to put too much on those types of throws?
Depends on the throw. But he has this thing that he does where he throws flat-footed with a follow-through where those throws have a higher arc, albeit he tends to be relatively accurate with them and they drop straight down. Others he makes where he steps into them and they have a lower arc and they're tougher to pick off if the receiver can't get to them (they end up as overthrows) but they have to be high enough where the defensive back can't deflect it.

Both have moments where they work, but the first one doesn't work if the receiver is well-covered or in the end zone, that's more for when they get behind a defender and can catch it in-stride. I don't think he angled the end zone throw as well, although with everything going on, I haven't had a chance to look at it more closely yet.

I think he has to just figure out what works and what doesn't and what type of window he can throw each one in. Obviously, it's different in the NFL compared to college where defensive backs close on the ball a lot faster. It's not like he doesn't have some experience having played in the SEC, but clearly, with this being the first year he's really pushing it downfield, he hasn't figured it out yet. At the same time, a couple of his turnovers have come with someone about to drill him, which given how often he's been hit, I'm sure it played a factor.

He's a smart kid and people are killing him when we're only three games into his first season where they've started testing what he can/can't do. I think the "this is who he is" determination really can't be made until you've seen a larger sample size before he gets crucified. I still believe that some of what's going on could be coaching where they're (ie: Matt) telling him not to check it down and just throw it, which I feel like - if that is indeed the case - further complicates things. The one positive is the fact they're 100% behind him, which given what's going on, at least doesn't make the situation any more difficult.
 
The lack of arm strength on the sideline throws is front and center this season. Surprising that it wasn’t so apparent last season. They just don’t have enough zip on them to my eyes, Almost looks like a pick six ready to happen. Gets good air on the deep balls and it looks like he can develop that as his career moves on. Hopefully he can develop more strength on all his throws. Grade is incomplete so far.
 
The lack of arm strength on the sideline throws is front and center this season. Surprising that it wasn’t so apparent last season. They just don’t have enough zip on them to my eyes, Almost looks like a pick six ready to happen. Gets good air on the deep balls and it looks like he can develop that as his career moves on. Hopefully he can develop more strength on all his throws. Grade is incomplete so far.
He had two throws late that he fired in there, with that one to Agholor being an unreal throw that he snuck in behind the defender for a completion until Agholor fumbled it. We had seen that at various points last season, it's the first time all season we had seen that from him. That one last season he threw to Bourne for the touchdown against Cleveland was terrific as well, so the potential is there. But you're right, I'd like to see more from him there.
 
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