Pats Rebuild Intermittent View of Progress

[FreeTedWilliams]

The rebuild is going great, owing to the fact that we've still got the man solely responsible for the dynasty:

That man now plays for Tampa

 

[Grogan14]

That man now plays for Tampa

You speak the truth!
BB has won zero playoff games for Pats without TB as his qb

 

[BB8XSBW]

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That man now plays for Tampa

lol c'mon now. You must be the first person I've seen who has attempted to give a player credit over the guy who was literally the architecture of those teams and oversaw the entire squad.

He was a solid little QB for us, though. No argument there.

 

[RobertWeathers]

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lol c'mon now. You must be the first person I've seen who has attempted to give a player credit over the guy who was literally the architecture of those teams and oversaw the entire squad.

He was a solid little QB for us, though. No argument there.

You are wasting your time.

 

[PatsWSB47]

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lol c'mon now. You must be the first person I've seen who has attempted to give a player credit over the guy who was literally the architecture of those teams and oversaw the entire squad.

He was a solid little QB for us, though. No argument there.

I think we're being catfished. What's your other screen name?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You are wasting your time.

Meh. I'm sure some say the same thing about me.

 

[festy1986]

The Pats have banked enough good will with me over the last 20 years that I'm not real concerned about their record as much as I was before that.

Sure. How many non competitive, non Superbowl teams do they have to field before you say enough is enough?

Last year was a great step in the right direction, coming back down to 2020 play or worse is not gonna fly for most people. 3/4 years is more than enough time for your rebuild to be in a Superbowl level situation imo. NFL is league where you can go from last to first and no one bats an eye.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Sure. How many non competitive, non Superbowl teams do they have to field before you say enough is enough?

Last year was a great step in the right direction, coming back down to 2020 play or worse is not gonna fly for most people. 3/4 years is more than enough time for your rebuild to be in a Superbowl level situation imo. NFL is league where you can go from last to first and no one bats an eye.

You only have to look at the Buffalo Bills for your answer. After their 4 SBs I saw Buffalo fans just as passionate all the way up to their present resurgence. You make 4 Superbowls and a lot of good will comes out of that. Our perspective is understandably different having won 6
We are spoiled and may give up easier because we demand more after that.. Of course its been a long time and new generation of Bills fans have come around including the expected bandwagon ones but in my experience I haven't seen it duplicated anywhere else.

 

[festy1986]

You only have to look at the Buffalo Bills for your answer. After their 4 SBs I saw Buffalo fans just as passionate all the way up to their present resurgence. You make 4 Superbowls and a lot of good will comes out of that. Our perspective is understandably different having won 6
We are spoiled and may give up easier because we demand more after that.. Of course its been a long time and new generation of Bills fans have come around including the expected bandwagon ones but in my experience I haven't seen it duplicated anywhere else.

Who says that the fans are going to lose their passion for the Pats? Quite the contrary, their passion will lead to less and less tolerance for mediocre play.

I understand that the old heads saw a lot of bad football and because of that their perspective is different but the Patriots are not the doormat of the league anymore and anything less than a Superbowl is a failure. That's the kind of expectations you want from a franchise and one you want from those who run the franchise.

Your Bills comparison is odd because they did over and over what I was saying is bound to happen here if they continued down a path of mediocrity. They fired their coaches left and right because they couldn't figure it out.

Bill will never ever be fired. Nor should he. However he can't field a subpar team year in and out and just get away with it because he won 6 Superbowls. That would be franchise suicide.

Let me say it a bit more clearly. If the Patriots look and play as bad as they have in the preseason and camps and win 4 or 5 games, there's no way Matt Patricia returns next year. Zero. Which is a disaster to have Jones on 3 offensive coaches in 3 seasons.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

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lol c'mon now. You must be the first person I've seen who has attempted to give a player credit over the guy who was literally the architecture of those teams and oversaw the entire squad.

He was a solid little QB for us, though. No argument there.

You could make the argument that Brady would have won MORE Superbowls (in NE) if BB had paid Branch, Seymour, Chandler Jones and maybe not benched Wes Welker and Malcolm Butler

 

[PatsWSB47]

Who says that the fans are going to lose their passion for the Pats? Quite the contrary, their passion will lead to less and less tolerance for mediocre play.

I understand that the old heads saw a lot of bad football and because of that their perspective is different but the Patriots are not the doormat of the league anymore and anything less than a Superbowl is a failure. That's the kind of expectations you want from a franchise and one you want from those who run the franchise.

Your Bills comparison is odd because they did over and over what I was saying is bound to happen here if they continued down a path of mediocrity. They fired their coaches left and right because they couldn't figure it out.

Bill will never ever be fired. Nor should he. However he can't field a subpar team year in and out and just get away with it because he won 6 Superbowls. That would be franchise suicide.

Let me say it a bit more clearly. If the Patriots look and play as bad as they have in the preseason and camps and win 4 or 5 games, there's no way Matt Patricia returns next year. Zero. Which is a disaster to have Jones on 3 offensive coaches in 3 seasons.

Just look at this forum. It used to be laugable to participate in the game day thread watching people lose their sht over a bad play or 2. Then reality returned and everything was okay until the next game day thread came. Now it's like half the forum is composed of game day thread style negativity in thread after thread. You're right. We demand more. We're spoiled. Its not going to change much until we get back to winning consistently I don't think.

 

[festy1986]

Just look at this forum. It used to be laugable to participate in the game day thread watching people lose their sht over a bad play or 2. Then reality returned and everything was okay until the next game day thread came. Now it's like half the forum is composed of game day thread style negativity in thread after thread. You're right. We demand more. We're spoiled. Its not going to change much until we get back to winning consistently I don't think.

Speaking as someone who's been tossed from many game day threads for daring to not be so optimistic in the fact of facts, I don't quite get it.

I'm not going anywhere, regardless of how the mods want me to act in the game day threads or how fans perceive my negativity as deserved or not.

I'm simply stating that the Patriots has a pretty solid season last year and to say before this season starts that a 7 and 10 season is ok because back in 2002 they came back to earth is pretty lame in my opinion.

Mac has to be better than he was last year, the rest I couldn't care about less right now because obviously this is not a Superbowl caliper team and truthfully they are a fringe playoff team at best.

However Mac development matters alot and we all know he gets just as frustrated and pessimistic as any of us in the game day threads when **** don't go right so it's best not to lose him in year two.

I just don't think these are unfair questions given how badly camp has gone. Ignoring the reality doesn't change the reality.

 

[BTTA]

Again have you known Tom E. Curran to not be a reliable source? He is nothing like what you are describing. He is actually a inside source.

Again there's enough reports out there to back up the situation, not for twitter clicks. I'm not talking about any sources from ESPN. Mike Reiss would be the only one from ESPN i would ever mention cuz he use to cover the pats locally and he is reliable as well. But anyways tou seem to choose not to believe, so ok.

Tom Curran works for NBC, not the Patriots. He is by definition an outside source.
Ever watch a White House press conference? The people at the podium are inside sources. The people in the audience are not. That's the definition of being a member of the media - you are supposed to be an objective outside source. It is in the job description.

 

[Boomer B]

He's clueless, he'll break it with room to spare and that's assuming he's only coaching 3 more years. I've heard that he wants to stay at least 5 more. We'll see though

I hope he does because that means we are winning, but if the Pats miss the playoffs the next few years I’m not so sure Bill is allowed to stick around to try to break the record.

Bill is rumoured to be making well over $20m a year. The Krafts are businessmen and expect results. Obviously Bill has generated a tremendous amount of goodwill but how long will it last? It’s not forever at the price they are paying him (over $100m for the next 4 - 5 years). We’ve all heard the story when Kraft was asked what it will take to get rid of Bill and he answered “8-8”. If we miss the playoffs this year that will be the 2 out of 3 years. I think the clock starts ticking and if they miss again I could see the Krafts making a change. They ain’t paying Bill hig $ for mediocre results.

 

[mgteich]

I hope he does because that means we are winning, but if the Pats miss the playoffs the next few years I’m not so sure Bill is allowed to stick around to try to break the record.

Bill is rumoured to be making well over $20m a year. The Krafts are businessmen and expect results. Obviously Bill has generated a tremendous amount of goodwill but how long will it last? It’s not forever at the price they are paying him (over $100m for the next 4 - 5 years). We’ve all heard the story when Kraft was asked what it will take to get rid of Bill and he answered “8-8”. If we miss the playoffs this year that will be the 2 out of 3 years. I think the clock starts ticking and if they miss again I could see the Krafts making a change. They ain’t paying Bill hig $ for mediocre results.

You seem to not understand how business folks measure success.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure. How many non competitive, non Superbowl teams do they have to field before you say enough is enough?

Last year was a great step in the right direction, coming back down to 2020 play or worse is not gonna fly for most people. 3/4 years is more than enough time for your rebuild to be in a Superbowl level situation imo. NFL is league where you can go from last to first and no one bats an eye.

So 3 seasons without a SB after going to 5, winning 3, wining the division 8 times and playing in the conference championship 8 times in the previous 8 years, puts you at “enough is enough”?
So in that 11 year stretch, 9 of the other 15 AFC teams have not gone to a SB at all. When is enough going to be enough for them. I mean it’s just as simple as demanding it, right?

 

[Ring 6]

I hope he does because that means we are winning, but if the Pats miss the playoffs the next few years I’m not so sure Bill is allowed to stick around to try to break the record.

Bill is rumoured to be making well over $20m a year. The Krafts are businessmen and expect results. Obviously Bill has generated a tremendous amount of goodwill but how long will it last? It’s not forever at the price they are paying him (over $100m for the next 4 - 5 years). We’ve all heard the story when Kraft was asked what it will take to get rid of Bill and he answered “8-8”. If we miss the playoffs this year that will be the 2 out of 3 years. I think the clock starts ticking and if they miss again I could see the Krafts making a change. They ain’t paying Bill hig $ for mediocre results.

Please name someone, anyone, who has done better.

 

[festy1986]

So 3 seasons without a SB after going to 5, winning 3, wining the division 8 times and playing in the conference championship 8 times in the previous 8 years, puts you at “enough is enough”?
So in that 11 year stretch, 9 of the other 15 AFC teams have not gone to a SB at all. When is enough going to be enough for them. I mean it’s just as simple as demanding it, r

I said that getting worse and not better is going to be a problem.

I never said it was easy and I never said it had to happen now, I said 3 to 4 years is more than enough time to reboot a team into a competitive, fringe Superbowl teams.

If they're out here at sub 500 this year or next then yeah, changes need to be made.

This is year 3 of the rebuild and I would view anything less than the playoffs as a failure.

 

[Boomer B]

Please name someone, anyone, who has done better.

That’s not the point. Bill is the best of his generation. We all know that. But if the Krafts see a franchise that is middling, and knowing Bill’s age, do they continue to pay him $20+M a year? Or do they look for someone who they believe can lead the franchise for the next decade or more at a fraction of the cost. There’s been many, many great coaches in sports who have been let go or asked to retire once the franchise starts to flounder. I’m not saying Bill’s on the hot seat right now, all I’m saying is I don’t think he gets an automatic free ride for 5 more years if we aren’t seeing success.

 

[Guts]

So 3 seasons without a SB after going to 5, winning 3, wining the division 8 times and playing in the conference championship 8 times in the previous 8 years, puts you at “enough is enough”?
So in that 11 year stretch, 9 of the other 15 AFC teams have not gone to a SB at all. When is enough going to be enough for them. I mean it’s just as simple as demanding it, right?

All those accomplishments happened with TB under center though. I think Mac is a franchise QB and I think by next year that's when we can fairly judge BB. I expect at the minimum compete for a playoff spot. Next year I expect us to be contenders.