NFL News OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[All3Phases]

He's playing at a MVP level because Tampa sucked for the whole of the 2010s and had the draft capital to build a strong defense, a good OL and excellent WRs.

I can't see why people keep trying to construct some sort of false equivalence between where we were in 2019 and where Tampa was.

We made a choice, and it was because our window was closing and Tom was aging and it didn't make sense to bring back the band one more time.

Maybe we should have tried harder to keep him, but then again, here we are with Mac Jones...

You can say whatever you want about why they did it. I am not arguing that. I am arguing that they couldve easily kept him if they wanted. Like you said, they made the choice and thats fine, but it was their choice

 

[venecol]

Brady could've used the designated legal FA tampering period and still found a perfectly good situation for himself. There was no reason for him to get involved with the tampering other than that he apparently wanted to. But it wasn't necessary and he had a choice in the matter.

He did exactly that, with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and brought them a SB. What's the problem? That he was talking to multiple teams during his final contract year? So what? Grow up.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I have an orthogonal viewpoint. I could not be happier that TFB & BB (texting geezer) cost the LOLphins a First And a 3rd!
True justice would have the Pats receive the 1st and perhaps Tamper the 3rd, but realists know that this is Goodell's NYJFL.
And in the world of unicorns the owner would be deposed for attempting to fix games (losses).
I have no problem with the breakup of BB & TFB. Stuff happens. I take no sides.
Onto the Pats 2022 season.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They didnt sign him because they didnt want to.

Correct.

You created an excuse to ease your pain. They spent amongst the bottom of the league in real cash spent during the period you mentioned.

Cash, cap and asset management are all topics that I don't think you fully grasp. Can't help you there.

Nothing you said adds up. Sorry

Not my issue you can't read between the lines.

 

[Bill Lee]

You can say whatever you want about why they did it. I am not arguing that. I am arguing that they couldve easily kept him if they wanted. Like you said, they made the choice and thats fine, but it was their choice

Yet you keep over-simplifying the situation to suite your narrative.

It wasn't about want. It was about making a choice. They decided it was the wrong time to invest long term in an aging quarterback.

 

[Ring 6]

The team signed him to the dead money deal because they refused to sign him to a multi year deal. Saying they had to money in 2020 for Brady is laughable, as they Franchised Thuney, signed Mccourty and gave Chung and Gilmore additional money after Brady signed with TB. They spent 160$ mil gtd in FA in 2021, youre acting like Brady taking up a small % of that wouldve prevented them from building a team. The rest of what you said can only be proven in an alternate dimension where you can see hypotheticals play out in front of you

You don’t read very well I see.
I never said they couldn’t afford to keep Brady I said they couldn’t afford to keep Brady and improve the team. Using the Brady some of money to retain SOME of your own free agents while losing others, and having no money left to IMPROVE the team is different than having money to keep Brady AND improve the team.
The Free Agents signed in 2021 were 75% paid for by the money not paid to Brady in 2020 and 2021.
Again, you can’t have both.

 

[Ring 6]

You can say whatever you want about why they did it. I am not arguing that. I am arguing that they couldve easily kept him if they wanted. Like you said, they made the choice and thats fine, but it was their choice

They can’t sign a player who doesn’t want to sign either.

 

[All3Phases]

They can’t sign a player who doesn’t want to sign either.

You continue to ignore him asking to be signed long term for multiple years, they couldve matched the TB offer and chose not to. They kissed him goodbye.

 

[All3Phases]

You don’t read very well I see.
I never said they couldn’t afford to keep Brady I said they couldn’t afford to keep Brady and improve the team. Using the Brady some of money to retain SOME of your own free agents while losing others, and having no money left to IMPROVE the team is different than having money to keep Brady AND improve the team.
The Free Agents signed in 2021 were 75% paid for by the money not paid to Brady in 2020 and 2021.
Again, you can’t have both.

They spent 160 mil gtd in 2021, how much of that money wouldve been for brady? Would 2020 have been a down year? Probably, but youre literally saying 1 value contract as qb would plummet the roster building LMAOO

 

[Ring 6]

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Yet you keep over-simplifying the situation to suite your narrative.

It wasn't about want. It was about making a choice. They decided it was the wrong time to invest long term in an aging quarterback.

and it turned out to be right.
They chose to degrade QB play temporarily on a team that wasn’t going to win so they could align correcting the cap issues with having a cap bonanza for not having to pay top QB $$ for a number of years while rebuilding.
Who in there right mind faces a rebuild and says, let’s start with the QB who is older than any effective QB in the history of the sport?

I’m sure BB would have run out the string hoping to catch a magic season, if he could do it responsibly but guaranteeing top QB pay into the mid 40s I’d only responsible if you are a legit SB contender.

People are very emotional about this because they feel entitled. Brady was theirs. Fortunately this result is better than how they would have acted as the team crumbled and struggled around Brady as he aged to retirement.

 

[All3Phases]

Yet you keep over-simplifying the situation to suite your narrative.

It wasn't about want. It was about making a choice. They decided it was the wrong time to invest long term in an aging quarterback.

You can term in however you want... They chose to not sign him. He wanted to come back, and they didnt

 

[Ring 6]

You continue to ignore him asking to be signed long term for multiple years, they couldve matched the TB offer and chose not to. They kissed him goodbye.

You completely ignore him refusing to accept a deal the team could live with.

 

[All3Phases]

You completely ignore him refusing to accept a deal the team could live with.

Do you have a job? This is a serious question. Im assuming yes. Do you work for 80% less then what you could make?

 

[Ring 6]

They spent 160 mil gtd in 2021, how much of that money wouldve been for brady? Would 2020 have been a down year? Probably, but youre literally saying 1 value contract as qb would plummet the roster building LMAOO

They didn’t spend 160 million in cap space. They spend 60 something. 50 of that was the 25 mill they didn’t pay Brady in 2020 and 2021.

 

[Ring 6]

Do you have a job? This is a serious question. Im assuming yes. Do you work for 80% less then what you could make?

The patriots offered the same money as Tampa.

 

[All3Phases]

They didn’t spend 160 million in cap space. They spend 60 something. 50 of that was the 25 mill they didn’t pay Brady in 2020 and 2021.

You dont spend money in cap space, you spend it in guaratneed dollars. Here is bradys cap number for 2021 $10,545,588. Again, you are saying this is preventing the team from building? HAHAHAHAHA

 

[All3Phases]

The patriots offered the same money as Tampa.

I cant stress this enough, no they didnt

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Do you have a job? This is a serious question. Im assuming yes. Do you work for 80% less then what you could make?

Brady took under market deals for selfish reasons, namely, so that BIll can go out and put pieces around him to help him win titles. Brady is nothing but a ring chaser (all the FAs he's bringing to Tampa is more proof of this). There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but to say that Brady was this generous and altruistic guy is nonsense. No one in the real world would take an 80% pay reduction, but Brady clearly benefited from the lower contract.

 

[Ring 6]

You dont spend money in cap space, you spend it in guaratneed dollars. Here is bradys cap number for 2021 $10,545,588. Again, you are saying this is preventing the team from building? HAHAHAHAHA

You clearly have no concept of how this works.

 

[crawhammer]

Really? This again? Look at Brady's contract history with the Patriots before spouting this stuff. He was the highest paid QB in the league for one year.

And FWIW, the last Patriots contract paid him an average of $23 Million/year. That wasn't rubbish.

Had New England offered Brady a multi-year contract, even merely the (underpaid) 2-year $50 million deal he ultimately signed with Tampa Bay, then he would have stayed.

In my honest opinion, Belichick was/is motivated to win with another quarterback before retires so he was ready to move on from Brady. To this point it's backfired with Brady proving he can win with another head coach while New England has fallen lightyears behind Buffalo (who now has the best quarterback in the division, maybe in the entire league).