Predictions for Bucs record and Brady's stats 2022

[SHOWTIME15]

Saying Brady benefited from FA instead of keeping a superbowl team every year is just flat out stupid, especially considering Belichick didnt go after free agents like most other coaches.

I didn't say that they went after FAs every year. However, Brady doesn't win multiple rings without Vrabel, Harrison, Revis, Ninkovich, Antoine Smith, or Gilmore. That is a fact.

Did you say Ty Law didnt emerge until BB took over? LMAO

That's when he played his best football. Without Bill, Ty Law is not in the HOF.

Bill has 8 rings....The same way JG has 2 rings Bill has 6 as a head coach....all with Brady. Brady has 7 rings as a starting QB. Brady left and still won, Bill has not. As a head coach without Brady Bill has a losing record, and is 17-15 the last two years.

And Brady hasn't won a super bowl without either Bill or Gronk...your point?

Ah yes the Cassel Argument....well if having a winning record with Cassel makes you the goat coach, than whoever the coach of the chiefs was when Cassel went 10-6 must also be in that conversation. Funny thing is though, with Brady that team was 16-0, usually losing 5 more games the next year is a drop off for a team. So Bill took a super team to 11 wins with Cassel, the coach of the chiefs took a mediocre team to 10 wins with Cassel....

Cassell never started a game in college or the NFL until 2008. Whatever he learned from BB he took to KC.

 

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And Brady hasn't won a super bowl without either Bill or Gronk...you're point?

You're trying way too hard lol.

Cassell never started a game in college or the NFL until 2008. Whatever he learned from BB he took to KC.

How do you know that was all Bill? Cassel has been quoted as saying Josh was key to his development as a QB.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LOL!!

So when Brady calls Belichick the best ever, we take that as gospel.
But when Belichick calls Brady the best ever....well that doesn't count because reasons.....

Huh? Bill said two different players are the best players he's ever coached...so on one of those occasions he's lying. I'm guessing it's when he spoke about Tom because Tom is a much more sensitive person and he probably wrote a nice tribute to him to keep him happy.

BB does not have the most coaching wins (Shula), nor the top playoff record as a HC (Lombardi) nor the best winning percentage as a coach (Madden).

All time coaches change the sport. Bill did, but I could argue Walsh had a greater impact, so did Tom Landry...heck so did Dungy.

Great coaches elevate their players and people around the coach. I don't think anyone would dispute that Bill's coaching tree doesn't have a great track record and he now has two of his failed HC's on staff. We'll see how Josh does in Vegas. Shula has a great coaching tree, so did Parcells, so did Walsh, so does Dungy, so does Reid. Heck so does Jon freaking Gruden. Two of them coached the Super Bowl last year.

Bill of course had almost all his success with an all lifetime QB and by his own admission wouldn't be nearly as successful without him. That's not really a strike against him as a coach since it's common sense that a coach wouldn't be as good without great players but it's interesting to see that Joe Gibbs won titles with 3 different QB's and none of them were close to that caliber, and Andy Reid who took two teams and two QBs to 3 Super Bowl appearances.

Bill unfortunately has Spygate on his resume and none of his peers have any controversy tagged to their careers.

Bill is a legend in the game. But I could say that Vince Lombardi's impact went beyond football. The trophy is named after him. Lombardi is also the only coach in history to be recognized in the HOF of two different teams. Bill had a poor record in Cleveland so I doubt he'll be in their HOF.

This is not an argument that Bill is definitely not the GOAT coach, just that I think there are good arguments both ways. I could do this for any of Bill's peers among the coaching greats. It's really hard to pick a GOAT coach right now but since I'm a Patriots fan I'm ok with saying Bill is. Might have a different opinion if he wasn't Patriots coach.

Maybe Bill will have the chance to take a step forward away from that group if he can take Mac Jones to a title and show that you can win in this league without much of a coaching structure or an OC or DC on your staff. That would be a game changing innovation.

Walsh's record without Montana - 6-19 (.240)

Belichick's record without Brady - 70-79 (.469)

ANd you're bringing up spygate? Want me to bring up deflategate or does that not count because it pertains to Brady? Maybe you'll convince me that the guy called himself the Deflator because it was all about weight loss...

You're trying way too hard lol.

That is the truth. Brady has not won without either the GOAT HC or GOAT TE on his team.

 

[Pats1971]

Huh? Bill said two different players are the best players he's ever coached...so on one of those occasions he's lying. I'm guessing it's when he spoke about Tom because Tom is a much more sensitive person and he probably wrote a nice tribute to him to keep him happy.



Walsh's record without Montana - 6-19 (.240)

Belichick's record without Brady - 70-79 (.469)

ANd you're bringing up spygate? Want me to bring up deflategate or does that not count because it pertains to Brady? Maybe you'll convince me that the guy called himself the Deflator because it was all about weight loss...



That is the truth. Brady has not won without either the GOAT HC or GOAT TE on his team.

I didn't say that they went after FAs every year. However, Brady doesn't win multiple rings without Vrabel, Harrison, Revis, Ninkovich, Antoine Smith, or Gilmore. That is a fact.



That's when he played his best football. Without Bill, Ty Law is not in the HOF.


And Brady hasn't won a super bowl without either Bill or Gronk...your point?



Cassell never started a game in college or the NFL until 2008. Whatever he learned from BB he took to KC.

So why didnt cassel become the goat? I thought all QB's under Bill are goat? So brady does not win a superbowl unless he had other players on the team? Well geez, your bar is pretty damn high, I guess we will have to wait and see if a QB can win a superbowl with no other players playing. Cassel took what he learned from Bill to KC? lmao, ok I have now heard it all.

Deflategate? Man I thought even the most stupid people knew that was bogus by now, even the NFL does.

 

[Pats1971]

Huh? Bill said two different players are the best players he's ever coached...so on one of those occasions he's lying. I'm guessing it's when he spoke about Tom because Tom is a much more sensitive person and he probably wrote a nice tribute to him to keep him happy.



Walsh's record without Montana - 6-19 (.240)

Belichick's record without Brady - 70-79 (.469)

ANd you're bringing up spygate? Want me to bring up deflategate or does that not count because it pertains to Brady? Maybe you'll convince me that the guy called himself the Deflator because it was all about weight loss...



That is the truth. Brady has not won without either the GOAT HC or GOAT TE on his team.

So wait....you think Bill said Brady was the best player ever becuase he thought Brady would get upset? LMAO....You are not even a good troll.

See the thing is, it does not really matter what you spew, the fact is, Brady is the constant. All those players you mention that Brady cannot do without? Brady won without them, they didnt win without Brady.

 

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Walsh's record without Montana - 6-19 (.240)

Ok so I'll keep that in mind when I do the same analysis for Walsh. Lol

Belichick's record without Brady - 70-79 (.469)

I think Belichick's and Brady's records SINCE they split are more interesting to me. Bill is 17-15 as coach and he also coached the team that had the biggest playoff whooping ever laid on a defense in the modern era of the sport. 0 punts, 0 turnovers, 0 FGs, 0 negative plays other than kneeldowns in victory formation, 7 TD in 7 drives. Literally a perfect game. That's never been done before. The Pats OL coach was canned after the playoff debacle in Denver a few years ago so it's interesting to see no changes made on that side of the ball in 2022 *coughStevecough*. Maybe they'll force Buffalo to punt sometime that would be nice. And thanks to that epic game from Bill's defense Mac's performance in that game is irrelevant and we still have no read on him as a playoff caliber QB either way.

Brady by contrast is 24-9 and 5-1 in the playoffs with one Super Bowl win on a totally new team.

Sounds like right now one needs the other a lot more than the other way around.

ANd you're bringing up spygate? Want me to bring up deflategate or does that not count because it pertains to Brady? Maybe you'll convince me that the guy called himself the Deflator because it was all about weight loss...

Ever notice that when anyone talks about Brady and deflategate they're always joking? Because everyone knows it was a joke. Time to get with it and join them instead of trying too hard

 

[PatsWSB47]

You're trying way too hard lol.

How do you know that was all Bill? Cassel has been quoted as saying Josh was key to his development as a QB.

He should change his name to RudyGiuliani10 with the nonsense he's spewing

 

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Huh? Bill said two different players are the best players he's ever coached...so on one of those occasions he's lying. I'm guessing it's when he spoke about Tom because Tom is a much more sensitive person and he probably wrote a nice tribute to him to keep him happy.

LOL!! Yeah, because that is what Belichick does.... he really really cares about making others feel good about themselves.

I gave an exact quote. And, FWIW, the exact date on that exact quote was February 2, 2022.

You didn't give sh*t except make up something which probably never happened.

Belichick's record without Brady - 70-79 (.469)

I agree. Belichick sucks without Brady.

Oh, BTW.....

"Tom’s humble beginning in professional football ultimately ended with him becoming the best player in NFL history” - Bill Belichick, Feb 2, 2022

 

[gobesmug]

You're trying way too hard lol.

How do you know that was all Bill? Cassel has been quoted as saying Josh was key to his development as a QB.

Josh does work well with QBs. He made Kyle Orton look good for half a season in Denver. It's a shame Jay Cutler was a douche and didn't stick around with Josh, he might have had a good career

 

[Guts]

BB is the GOAT

TB is the GOAT

And yes they both benefitted from each other

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Ok so I'll keep that in mind when I do the same analysis for Walsh. Lol

I think Belichick's and Brady's records SINCE they split are more interesting to me. Bill is 17-15 as coach and he also coached the team that had the biggest playoff whooping ever laid on a defense in the modern era of the sport. 0 punts, 0 turnovers, 0 FGs, 0 negative plays other than kneeldowns in victory formation, 7 TD in 7 drives. Literally a perfect game. That's never been done before. The Pats OL coach was canned after the playoff debacle in Denver a few years ago so it's interesting to see no changes made on that side of the ball in 2022 *coughStevecough*. Maybe they'll force Buffalo to punt sometime that would be nice. And thanks to that epic game from Bill's defense Mac's performance in that game is irrelevant and we still have no read on him as a playoff caliber QB either way.

Brady by contrast is 24-9 and 5-1 in the playoffs with one Super Bowl win on a totally new team.

Sounds like right now one needs the other a lot more than the other way around.

Brady's success in Tampa is more of a product of the team around him plus the easy schedule the Bucs have had over the past 2 seasons. He had 5 great weapons around him from 2020-2021, including Gronk, Brown, Godwin, Evans, and Fournette. Those players are way better than anyone the Pats ever had (not including Gronk of course). Brady is on record as saying Evans is the best receiver he's ever had.

Proof...in 2021, here are Brady's numbers:

vs bad teams (51-85 combined record, .375 winning percentage) - 31 TDs, 6 INTs, 9 games; 5:1 TD/INT ratio

vs good teams (54-31 combined record, .614 winning percentage) - 12 TDs, 6 INTs, 7 games; 2:1 TD/INT ratio

A similar analysis and result occurs if you do his 2020 numbers as well, which I am working on.

Thus, you can see a big discrepancy with how Brady performed vs bad and good teams, despite an almost equal number of games.

Belichick can do the same thing as Brady did and be just as successful. He can quit NE and go to a talented team like Dallas or KC and would win the Super Bowl there. If he rebuilds a SB winner in the next few years here it will be more amazing than what Brady has done because it's a lot harder.

 

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"Tom’s humble beginning in professional football ultimately ended with him becoming the best player in NFL history” - Bill Belichick, Feb 2, 2022

Of course, but you don't go from being a 6th round pick to GOAT status without a lot of help along the way. The three most important individuals in Brady's career that helped him get there were Belichick, Alex Guerrero, and Gronk. Without them he'd be a chump.

 

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Of course, but you don't go from being a 6th round pick to GOAT status without a lot of help along the way. The three most important individuals in Brady's career that helped him get there were Belichick, Alex Guerrero, and Gronk. Without them he'd be a chump.

If we are going to play that game...

Without Brady, Belichick has his (usual) mediocre seasons in 2001 and 2002 and gets fired after 2002. He goes back to being DC, but never gets a chance to HC again.

Make believe is fun!!

Mac losing to Tommy head-to-head be like...

 

[gobesmug]

BB is the GOAT

TB is the GOAT

And yes they both benefitted from each other

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[venecol]

Forum idiot:

Brady was only succesful because this and that. Even though he had best record in NFL, losing only 4 games, his stats against good/bad teams were blah, blah.

If Belichick had done this and that, he could do anything and then some.

Lol, you guys have let this imbecile hijack the thread w/ his nonsense. The moron hangs around the Brady forum to get attention since nobody in the main forum would give him the time of day. He's pretty much known to be a pathetic troll, completely clueless about football and desperate for male attention since he's a known incel that hates women. Ever since he got anally raped as a teenager by the boys, he's craved the attention of dudes on football forums. So all you f*ks engaging this ass-hole should just give it to him already and get it over with.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Forum idiot:

Brady was only succesful because this and that. Even though he had best record in NFL, losing only 4 games, his stats against good/bad teams were blah, blah.

If Belichick had done this and that, he could do anything and then some.

Lol, you guys have let this imbecile hijack the thread w/ his nonsense. The moron hangs around the Brady forum to get attention since nobody in the main forum would give him the time of day. He's pretty much known to be a pathetic troll, completely clueless about football and desperate for male attention since he's a known incel that hates women. Ever since he got anally raped as a teenager by the boys, he's craved the attention of dudes on football forums. So all you f*ks engaging this ass-hole should just give it to him already and get it over with.

^^^^^Anti-American LMAO

 

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What super team? Look at the 1981 and 1984 49ers rosters and please tell me what weapons Montana had...in fact Montana's 1984 season when he went 18-1 is more impressive than any of Brady's seasons because he didn't have great talent around him on offense.

Montana led the NFL in 0 passing categories in 1984. 0. In 2007 Brady led the NFL in comp%, yards, TDs, TD%, Y/A, Y/G, passer rating, QBR, fourth quarter comebacks and game-winning drives. You sound like a nitwit.

I didn't say that they went after FAs every year. However, Brady doesn't win multiple rings without Vrabel, Harrison, Revis, Ninkovich, Antoine Smith, or Gilmore. That is a fact.

Brady has IN FACT won multiple rings without each of those players... 4 rings without Vrabel, 5 rings without Harrison, 6 rings without Revis, 5 rings without Ninkovich, 5 rings without Smith, and 6 rings without Gilmore. Do you know how many rings collectively those players have without Brady? 0.

And Brady hasn't won a super bowl without either Bill or Gronk...your point?

Brady won a Super Bowl without Bill. He also won 4 Super Bowls without Gronk including 2016 when Gronk was on IR. There's evidence to contrary that Brady needed Bill or Gronk to win Super Bowls. The far more valid observation is Bill hasn't a Super Bowl or even a division without Brady.

Of course, but you don't go from being a 6th round pick to GOAT status without a lot of help along the way. The three most important individuals in Brady's career that helped him get there were Belichick, Alex Guerrero, and Gronk. Without them he'd be a chump.

No one, not even you, truly believes that. Brady was a multi-time pro bowler and Super Bowl winner before he even met Guerrero. Multi-time Super Bowl winner without Gronk and he just had his two best back-to-back seasons without Belichick.

Brady's success in Tampa is more of a product of the team around him

The team around him was 7-9 the season prior. They were coming off 8 of 9 losing seasons. They literally were the worst franchise in all of professional sports before Brady got there.

Belichick can do the same thing as Brady did and be just as successful. He can quit NE and go to a talented team like Dallas or KC and would win the Super Bowl there.

You're basing that on what? He went to Cleveland and completely flopped. He had a 5-13 record in New England until Brady became his quarterback and then suddenly he's winning Super Bowls left and right. He's a dismal 0-9 without Brady.

If he rebuilds a SB winner in the next few years here it will be more amazing than what Brady has done because it's a lot harder.

What are you going to say if they don't even win the division and at best get knocked out in the wild card round repeatedly. At this moment Buffalo is far more talented than NE so winning the division over the next few seasons is going to be a tall task. Things were a lot easier when they had the GOAT quarterback.

 

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Montana led the NFL in 0 passing categories in 1984. 0. In 2007 Brady led the NFL in comp%, yards, TDs, TD%, Y/A, Y/G, passer rating, QBR, fourth quarter comebacks and game-winning drives. You sound like a nitwit.

Fact - Montana won the super bowl in an 18-1 season. Brady did not.

Brady has IN FACT won multiple rings without each of those players... 4 rings without Vrabel, 5 rings without Harrison, 6 rings without Revis, 5 rings without Ninkovich, 5 rings without Smith, and 6 rings without Gilmore. Do you know how many rings collectively those players have without Brady? 0.

Yes, but he wouldn't have won those particular super bowls without them. Free agency has helped him enormously.

Brady won a Super Bowl without Bill. He also won 4 Super Bowls without Gronk including 2016 when Gronk was on IR. There's evidence to contrary that Brady needed Bill or Gronk to win Super Bowls. The far more valid observation is Bill hasn't a Super Bowl or even a division without Brady.

Yes, but he has not won a super bowl without either the GOAT HC or GOAT TE.

No one, not even you, truly believes that. Brady was a multi-time pro bowler and Super Bowl winner before he even met Guerrero. Multi-time Super Bowl winner without Gronk and he just had his two best back-to-back seasons without Belichick.

WIthout Bill, he doesn't win those early super bowls. Without Guerrero, he doesn't extend his career to age 45. He would have retired after SB 49 without Alex.

The team around him was 7-9 the season prior. They were coming off 8 of 9 losing seasons. They literally were the worst franchise in all of professional sports before Brady got there.

No they weren't. They went to the SB in 1996. But you're not a patriots fan so you wouldn't know that. And they made the playoffs in 1997 and 1998.

 

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Fact - Montana won the super bowl in an 18-1 season. Brady did not.

Why does that matter? 1 loss or 6, if you win the Super Bowl then you won the Super Bowl. Unless you're undefeated I don't care what your record is as long as you win the big one. Brady winning it from a wild card spot was probably one of his most gratifying accomplishments.

Yes, but he wouldn't have won those particular super bowls without them. Free agency has helped him enormously.

You mean free agency like all of his contemporaries had? You're not making a good point here (I know shocking). Had the Patriots kept that 2004 team intact then they probably would have won it again in 2005 and 2006. And other than 2007 what was the season that the team went all in on free agency for Brady? You're making things up.

Yes, but he has not won a super bowl without either the GOAT HC or GOAT TE.

This also is a ridiculous argument. Brady has proved to any reasonable person that he didn't anyone in particular to win a Super Bowl. He won with a head coach who is largely thought of as a goon. And the other head coach with whom who he's won 6 Super Bowls has somehow managed to not win even a division title without him in 9 tries. The comeback against Atlanta blows your Gronk argument away. That and the other 3 rings without Gronk.

WIthout Bill, he doesn't win those early super bowls. Without Guerrero, he doesn't extend his career to age 45. He would have retired after SB 49 without Alex.

I don't know why you're talking about Guerrero like he's the Savior. Brady loves him but it's pretty well established that the guy's a liar and a kook.

As for those early Super Bowls, they needed each other at that point to win. Belichick was not winning anything with Drew Bledsoe. In fact he probably would have lost his job. Brady just got much better and more important than Belichick as time went by. Again, he won with a goon for a head coach. He'll win 13 games and make a deep playoff run at least with Bowles. All the while Belichick's getting bullied around by Buffalo, a team Brady has owned completely his entire career.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LMAO