Wide Receivers depth chart

[mgteich]

Arizona moved on from Rosen (1-10 pick) in a heart beat. Replaced him with Murray within a year. I guess they weren't serious, but boy were they smart.

There's dozens of examples of unserious behavior by NFL FOs making such immediate determinations.

Yes, AZ gave up on Rosen and the coach that drafted him, to move on to a new offense and new coach. If you think that AZ is great example of an organization, then so be it.

 

[venecol]

Yup, there are many poorly run organizations.

Belichick does not, does not, give up on a 1sr rounder after a year, or even after two. You can believe that this makes him a bad coach.

Wait, so you think that moving on from Rosen was a poor move? What's he done since being traded to MIA? Zilch.

Bill should've dumped Harry after year 2. The only conclusion I can draw is that he kept him on the roster, despite knowing he wasn't NFL caliber, to try to salvage his pick & reputation. Not really what's best for the team is it.

 

[venecol]

Yes, AZ gave up on Rosen and the coach that drafted him, to move on to a new offense and new coach. If you think that AZ is great example of an organization, then so be it.

I mean, they went from 3-13 in 2018 w/ Rosen to 11-6 last season and making the playoffs. You're missing the point, unless you believe the Patriots is the only good organization in the NFL.

 

[mgteich]

I mean, they went from 3-13 in 2018 w/ Rosen to 11-6 last season and making the playoffs. You're missing the point, unless you believe the Patriots is the only good organization in the NFL.

Yes, the ownership of AZ took a huge gamble, and it paid off for 2018.

That doesn't mean that it is a good mode of managing to dump first rounders after a year.

 

[mgteich]

Wa.The only conclusion I can draw is that he kept him on the roster, despite knowing he wasn't NFL caliber, to try to salvage his pick & reputation. Not really what's best for the team is it.

OK.

We understand your position.

We could take a poll on how few of us agree with it.

 

[venecol]

Thinking about the Harry situation further:

GM Bill failed miserably with the 1-32 pick, as we've seen by all the other WRs picked after Harry.

HC Bill failed to coach Harry up to become even a serviceable receiver (just blocking doesn't count).

GM Bill failed by not dumping him once HC Bill realized Harry was utter trash.

HC Bill failed when he kept inserting him into the game day roster despite his poor play. In fact, Harry was a net negative to the team. Remember the INT he caused against NO, where we lost by a score? How about the ball bouncing off his helmet in the blizzard game, where despite this we eked out a W.

The entire Harry saga has been a disaster of gargantuan proportions. I swear if he makes the 53 this season, Bill needs to be checked for dementia.

 

[mgteich]

Thinking about the Harry situation further:

GM Bill failed miserably with the 1-32 pick, as we've seen by all the other WRs picked after Harry.

HC Bill failed to coach Harry up to become even a serviceable receiver (just blocking doesn't count).

GM Bill failed by not dumping him once HC Bill realized Harry was utter trash.

HC Bill failed when he kept inserting him into the game day roster despite his poor play. In fact, Harry was a net negative to the team. Remember the INT he caused against NO, where we lost by a score? How about the ball bouncing off his helmet in the blizzard game, where despite this we eked out a W.

The entire Harry saga has been a disaster of gargantuan proportions. I swear if he makes the 53 this season, Bill needs to be checked for dementia.

I expect Harry to be gone. But I could see Belichick keeping him over Nixon or even Asiasi.

BTW, should Keene be excluded because his value is as a blocking TE?

 

[venecol]

I expect Harry to be gone.

Good.

But I could see Belichick keeping him over Nixon or even Asiasi.

Noooooooo

BTW, should Keene be excluded because his value is as a blocking TE?

No, a blocking TE has value.

 

[Pats2000]

As a coach you should be able to know that about a player in his first year, two tops. Bill must've said to himself, I'll be damned if I can't coach this kid up.

I think the only reason Harry is around, is not because of his potential receiving breakout, but because of his blocking and the fact that he was a touted 1st round pick. The dude can block with the best of them. Otherwise he's just dead weight on the receiving core. And it worked enough for the Pats because of how much they were planning on running

 

[Pats2000]

Wait, so you think that moving on from Rosen was a poor move? What's he done since being traded to MIA? Zilch.

Bill should've dumped Harry after year 2. The only conclusion I can draw is that he kept him on the roster, despite knowing he wasn't NFL caliber, to try to salvage his pick & reputation. Not really what's best for the team is it.

No, Harry became a good enough blocker on a run first team, he had value to keep

 

[Triumph]

So you cherry picked a few WR's who worked out while ignoring the vast majority who didn't... got it.

I triggered the homers by merely mentioning that other teams know who to draft a WR.

The average NFL career lasts three years... that's a factual statement not an excuse.

All the more reason to draft a player that can play year 1.

Harry is in year 4.

Without bothering to look it up I'd bet the Patriots have drafted fewer WR's than just about any team in the NFL over the last twenty years.

This excuse has been debunked.

Compared to Pittsburgh who drafts a lot of WRs the Pats have drafted about 10 less. 3 of those were Dobson, Chad Jackson and Harry were high picks.

Edelman was drafted to convert him to WR... they didn't draft him as a 5'11" QB... stop being intentionally obtuse.

Edelman played defense too.

Edelman only had 23 total targets through his 2nd and 3rd years. He did not finally have a role as a WR until year # 5 and no amount of revisionist history will sell the tale that WR was his role all along.

 

[Ring 6]

I expect Harry to be gone. But I could see Belichick keeping him over Nixon or even Asiasi.

BTW, should Keene be excluded because his value is as a blocking TE?

I think keenes value is anything but a blocking TE.
I don’t think you will ever see him playing in line TE. No FB on the roster actually should improve his chances as he would fill an Hback type role.

 

[Wozzy]

I triggered the homers by merely mentioning that other teams know who to draft a WR.

Don’t pretend to have powers to elicit a response you don’t actually possess.

You handpicked the best of the best WR rookies who recently worked out, while ignoring the vast majority who didn’t. Look the Titans drafted AJ Brown… yeah, only after they wasted a 5th overall pick in the first round on Corey Davis and he became completely average at best and Taywan Taylor who outright sucked two years prior.

Shall I handpick a bunch of Bill's best... Tom Brady, Gronk, Seymour, Wilfork, Mankins, Branch, Edelman... see I can do it too.

All the more reason to draft a player that can play year 1.

Hahahaha... there were 28 WR's drafted this year... quickly, before a single preseason game is played... name for us the WR's who are going to play in year one and be good. This should be fun.

Also could you give me the winning numbers for the Power Ball this week?

Harry is in year 4.

Harry is about to enter year four and is about to get sacked.... facts aren't flexible, they're like math or science... they simply are.

Edelman played defense too.

Edelman only had 23 total targets through his 2nd and 3rd years. He did not finally have a role as a WR until year # 5 and no amount of revisionist history will sell the tale that WR was his role all along.

Edelman caught 37 passes as a rookie and was listed on the Patriots website as a WR chuckles. Troy Brown played defense long before Jules did and there's no question either was a WR.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Top 5 - potential Dead weight on our 2022 roster:

Harry
Slowjuan
Keane
Assyassy
Bryant

How sad is it that we spent valuable draft capital on four of them???

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Top 5 - potential Dead weight on our 2022 roster:

Harry
Slowjuan
Keane
Assyassy
Bryant

How sad is it that we spent valuable draft capital on four of them???

Another off-topic "BB can't draft" trolling post. How fun!!!

 

[Wozzy]

Top 5 - potential Dead weight on our 2022 roster:

Harry
Slowjuan
Keane
Assyassy
Bryant

How sad is it that we spent valuable draft capital on four of them???

Asiasi made the roster last year, but he's "dead weight" according to you because he had two of the best TE's in the league in front of him?

Keene just became old enough to legally buy a beer when he was drafted, he just turned 23 a couple months ago, he's currently tied for second youngest player on the team in 2022 and we've barely seen him play.

Shades of how Edelman sucked after four years on this team...

How sad that you lack any patience whatsoever for developing players that may need it.

Braxton Berrios admits Patriots cutting him was 'best thing that ever happened to me'

The New England Patriots cut 2018 sixth-round pick Braxton Berrios in 2019, and he proceeded to find success with the Jets. In expressing his appreciation for the Pats on the “Adam Schefter Podcast” he admitted that them moving on was for the best.

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[mgteich]

Asiasi made the roster last year, but he's "dead weight" according to you because he had two of the best TE's in the league in front of him?

Keene just became old enough to legally buy a beer when he was drafted, he just turned 23 a couple months ago, he's currently tied for second youngest player on the team in 2022 and we've barely seen him play.

Shades of how Edelman sucked after four years on this team...

How sad that you lack any patience whatsoever for developing players that may need it.

Braxton Berrios admits Patriots cutting him was 'best thing that ever happened to me'

The New England Patriots cut 2018 sixth-round pick Braxton Berrios in 2019, and he proceeded to find success with the Jets. In expressing his appreciation for the Pats on the “Adam Schefter Podcast” he admitted that them moving on was for the best.

www.audacy.com

For the 97th time, Edelman lasted 4 years because he was our punt returner.

 

[Wozzy]

For the 97th time, Edelman lasted 4 years because he was our punt returner.

So was Gunner, he got slaughtered by you negative types.

 

[Zuma]

Speaking of Edelman...IMO he was already a very good slot WR early on. He just happened to have probably the best slot WR of all-time in front of him. For sure Edelman was motivated and worked his ass off to replace Welker (among other reasons). These numbers aren't bad for a a 1st year player.


Welker's 1st year

 

[rochrist]

I triggered the homers by merely mentioning that other teams know who to draft a WR.


All the more reason to draft a player that can play year 1.

Harry is in year 4.



This excuse has been debunked.

Compared to Pittsburgh who drafts a lot of WRs the Pats have drafted about 10 less. 3 of those were Dobson, Chad Jackson and Harry were high picks.

Edelman played defense too.

Edelman only had 23 total targets through his 2nd and 3rd years. He did not finally have a role as a WR until year # 5 and no amount of revisionist history will sell the tale that WR was his role all along.

He had 54 targets his rookie year. It isn’t revisionist history that he was huge the last game of the year when Welker was hurt (10 catches for 103 yards) and in the playoff game that followed (6 catches and 2 TDs). You keep on with nonsense and that’s what it is, nonsense.