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Could you imagine if he never plays for the Browns?

This may end up being the most idiotic contract in professional sports history.
This being the Browns, I can foresee such a situation. I wonder if the precedence his contract was suppose to set never comes to fruition.
 
This being the Browns, I can foresee such a situation. I wonder if the precedence his contract was suppose to set never comes to fruition.
It has wrecked the QB market. QB's will look at that and say Watson got $230M guaranteed, but never played. Teams will have to put their foot down and throw that comp out.
 
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However, neither a civil court nor the NFL’s kangaroo court require proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I believe Watson will pay a lot of money and also be suspended up to a year. His agent was wise to structure the new deal so Watson’s year one salary is a “mere” $1 million.
Given the Omissioner can do whatever he wants, he could impose the penalty of 1 year and $42M cash fine --OR-- 2 years with salary forfeited, just to eff with the smartass agent and the Browns. It'd be the player's choice. He can get it over with to prove he's all in on Cleveland ( :rofl: ) or he can say me first and rest his body for an extra year.

"Maske confirms our report that, in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players."
NFLPA had Brady's back too, right?

In the end it'll be the same, NFLPA will whine but NJFL can do whatever it wants to do.

He gets off on the imbalance of the power dynamics at play with the masseuse.
I totally agree. If you read the NYT/Vrentas piece, in one part she describes a case where Watson drove a half hour out of his way to meet one woman in her own home. Clearly if all he wanted was a massage he could have found someone a lot closer that probably would even be willing to come to him. He's getting off on the power trip of being able to perv on these women in their own homes, and he's going way out of his way to be able to do so. To me, it shows he's sick, and it shows he isn't gonna get better till he admits he has a problem and admits he needs to deal with it. To me, this shows the Browns have no idea what they're getting themselves into, because there's every chance he does it again.
 
"Maske confirms our report that, in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players."

What’s the penalty for getting an early bird, $15 discount on a * at a dirty strip mall from a 55 year old poor Asian woman?
 
NFL is once again handling this very poorly.
 
What’s the penalty for getting an early bird, $15 discount on a * at a dirty strip mall from a 55 year old poor Asian woman?
But he want back the next day to get an early bird hj & bj from two women, so there's a pattern. Penalty should be stiff.
 
But he want back the next day to get an early bird hj & bj from two women, so there's a pattern. Penalty should be stiff.

Poor? Maybe, maybe not.

Kraft is not caught in a union negotiated employment agreement. If Kraft did not break a law (prohibited per the owner's agreement is my understanding) what can the NFL do? I bet nothing, or all of the owners would be subjecting themselves to each other and they are not stupid enough to sign that type of deal like the players' union did.
 
Poor? Maybe, maybe not.

Kraft is not caught in a union negotiated employment agreement. If Kraft did not break a law (prohibited per the owner's agreement is my understanding) what can the NFL do? I bet nothing, or all of the owners would be subjecting themselves to each other and they are not stupid enough to sign that type of deal like the players' union did.
"punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players."
 
"punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players."

OH. I forgot about that with the Jim Irsay situation.
 
The Watson and Kraft situations are not analogous IMO.

In one case, a person was upfront and forward about paying for a consensual sexual massage.

In the other case, a person has been evasive, unclear, and ambiguous, offering different accounts at different times, about requesting a seemingly regular massage, then insisting on sexual acts during it and refusing to back down if the feeling was not mutual. As a result of this, there are 22 civil suits.

In one case the nature of the "crime" was offering money for sex, in a context where the sex was agreed up, consensual, and expected.

In the other case the nature of the "crime" is insisting on having sex despite the other person not consenting.

Is paying for a consensual sexual massage a little seedy? Sure. Is a seedy (but consensual) sexual act some grave moral transgression? Not in my opinion.

What about insisting on sexual acts when the other party has indicated they are not interested? That's traumatizing, abusive, and generally terrible. Is a nonconsensual sexual act a grave moral transgression? 100%, absolutely.

Why would someone have 66 masseuses in a couple year period? Why would individuals who have remained anonymous and have not filed for any recourse, criminal nor civil, corroborate the accounts given, and provide consistent, detailed, specific allegations against Watson?

Are they all in on an evil plot to tank Watson? (If that was the case, it would very likely be uncovered during discovery when electronic communications are combed through; ditto for any massive plot for financial gain - you cannot coordinate a plan like that among a few people, let alone 20+, without a paper trail ... and yet zero evidence of fabrication/collusion has been brought forth).

I understand keeping an open mind and remaining skeptical in every instance, but the totality of the allegations against Watson, both in terms of scope and detail, are pretty damning IMO.
 
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It's becoming more and more difficult for me to continue to be a fan of the NYFL. They don't seem to care at all about character.

I wouldn't know what to do if the Pats had that slimeball as their QB. Having a poor QB like Cam is one thing, but having a pos like Watson would make them unwatchable for me. He makes Antonio Brown look good.
 
What’s the penalty for getting an early bird, $15 discount on a * at a dirty strip mall from a 55 year old poor Asian woman?
The issue of consent plays out a bit differently in your scenario.

Penalty should be stiff.
I see what you did there.

"punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players."
We learned from the Brady saga that the NFL changes its rules on the fly and courts do nothing about it. Commissioner has ultimate authority to decide what the rules mean and if/when/how they are applied. TB12 could have taken it to the highest court in the land but then again if he had chances are high he wouldn't have just signed a deal to be the face of the sport for FOX at twice the pay of the previous record setting contract.

It's becoming more and more difficult for me to continue to be a fan of the NYFL. They don't seem to care at all about character.
That's not the part that bothers me, the part that bothers me is they say they care about character, but know that they don't. They want the benefit of being seen as being squeaky clean when they know they're just as tainted as anyone else, probably more since we all know money corrupts. IMO it'd be far better if they would drop the pretense. Stop pretending you're more moral than everyone else, more patriotic too.

I wouldn't know what to do if the Pats had that slimeball as their QB. Having a poor QB like Cam is one thing, but having a pos like Watson would make them unwatchable for me. He makes Antonio Brown look good.
I know at least one person who has dropped their life-long Browns fandom over the Watson move. Before the move, they were an up and coming team largely built via the draft and led by a gritty QB. In one move they threw the gritty QB under the bus, tanked the next few years drafts, and committed a huge chunk of their salary cap to a deeply troubled player. Jimmy Haslam showed his true colors.
 
How weird is it still that Dalvin Cook admitted in texts he beat up his girlfriend, but nothing happened?

NFL is all over the place on who they want to cancel.
 
Watson's contract with the Browns was clearly written knowing that he will be suspended for most or all of the 2022 season.


His base salary for 2022 is slightly north of 1 mil, while the rest of the years his base salary is $46 mil (all of it guaranteed)

It would be amusing if the Browns were somehow forced to cut him this year as it would cause a $219,972,000 cap hit for 2022, leaving them $177,810,282 OVER the cap!

I'm not saying it was smart to sign him, only that the Browns were clearly expecting him to get suspended this year. Luckily, they still have a very disgruntled Baker Mayfield, which should make for some fun watching!

Caserio should get Executive of the Year for this trade alone! I wonder if they will give it to him?
 
How weird is it still that Dalvin Cook admitted in texts he beat up his girlfriend, but nothing happened?

NFL is all over the place on who they want to cancel.
Its actually not that weird.

I mean what NFL player hasn't beat up their wife/gf/kid/hooker?:p I exaggerate a bit of course, but it sounds like his behavior is well within "normal" expected NFL player behavior.

Watson is just over the top "comical". What kind of guy sexual assaults 60+ masseuses in 1.5 years? If you made a movie with that plot no one would believe it. Its a story that is too dramatic to be swept under the rug.
 
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