Player Signing Report: Patriots Acquire DeVante Parker from Dolphins

[Deus Irae]

The Dolphins have two #1 WRs. Not sure they would be so quick to trade Him otherwise.

Yeah....


The Dolphins likely had no desire to pay that salary for what would have been a WR4. And the injury history probably made that an even easier decision.

 

[dliverey44]

Also, you are intentionally and incorrectly conflating a chronic injury and a recurrent injury. They are not the same and you have absolutely no evidence that Parker has a chronic condition involving his hamstring(s).

There is no shortage of injuries in Parker’s history. However, the hamstring injuries stand out prominently. According to draftsharks.com, Parker has had 15 documented injuries since entering the NFL in 2015. That is an average of more than two injuries per season since he was drafted. Of those 15 injuries, 7 are recorded as some sort of hamstring injury of varying severities. Source How long is DeVante Parker out? Injury timeline, return date, updates on Dolphins WR

That is the very definition of a recurring injury, but I don't know if he had lingering problems with his HS after he was cleared to play (which would have made it more of chronic problem). I was a Physical Therapist Assistant for 22 years, I am by no means an expert, but I am pretty familiar with HS problems.

 

[dliverey44]

There is no shortage of injuries in Parker’s history. However, the hamstring injuries stand out prominently. According to draftsharks.com, Parker has had 15 documented injuries since entering the NFL in 2015. That is an average of more than two injuries per season since he was drafted. Of those 15 injuries, 7 are recorded as some sort of hamstring injury of varying severities. Source How long is DeVante Parker out? Injury timeline, return date, updates on Dolphins WR

That is the very definition of a recurring injury, but I don't know if he had lingering problems with his HS after he was cleared to play (which would have made it more of chronic problem). I was a Physical Therapist Assistant for 22 years, I am by no means an expert, but I am pretty familiar with HS problems.

I also read that he missed time in 2016, 2020, and 2021 for his HS, but don't remember where I saw it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Mason was traded. That’s my support. Teams don’t usually trade players they think are underpaid and not replaceable.

It’s sad you felt the need to apologize for a Belichick decision even when the decision was a sound one.

They traded Mason for a 5th rounder and $7 million of cap space. With the cap space, they re-signed Trent Brown and JaWhaun Bentley. Also, now they can play Mike Onwenu at his best position.

I would trade Shaq Mason for Trent Brown, Ja’Whaun Bentley, a 5th rounder and the chance to put your most promising young Offensive lineman at his best position. How about you?

I called you out on this because you accused me of pulling something out of my butt the night it broke that Devin McCourty was resigning after I estimated in a post his cap hit could actually decrease from $6.45 million to $5.88 million. McCourty’s cap number actually decreased to $5.75 million. I was off $130,000. Pretty good for pulling numbers out my arse.

You did that not because you knew what you were talking about but because you don’t like that I’m critical of Belichick and not shy in saying that I don’t like the man. You thought you could demean or intimidate me. I’ve noticed you doing the same to others.

ROFLMAO. No. It's just your ASSUMPTIONS as to why he was traded. You have no actual facts that support you.

I didn't respond to your idiocy because you were critical of Belichick. I responded to you because you continuously throw s**t against a wall and hope no one calls you out on it. Then, when someone does, you get your panties in a wad and start lying. Like you're doing now.

 

[borg]

OK, Dr. Van Nostrand, show me the data, any reputable data, that proves that soft tissue injuries are significantly more in common cold weather climates than warmer climates. I’ll wait.

Let me know when Ice Box Yoga catches on

Also, you are intentionally and incorrectly conflating a chronic injury and a recurrent injury.

They are not the same

You sure about that?
I included the definition of "chronic" in my earlier post yet you chose to ignore Merriam Webster's fine work.

I'll highlight the key word to assist you
Let me know if you believe "recurrent" and "recurring" are not from the same base word "recur"

chron·ic
[?kränik]

ADJECTIVE

1. persisting for a long time or constantly recurring
   

you have absolutely no evidence that Parker has a chronic condition involving his hamstring(s).

Published reports indicate 7 hamstring setbacks to date.
Some might argue this is a "recurring" issue

Others........

 

[Patsgofor4]

There is no shortage of injuries in Parker’s history. However, the hamstring injuries stand out prominently. According to draftsharks.com, Parker has had 15 documented injuries since entering the NFL in 2015. That is an average of more than two injuries per season since he was drafted. Of those 15 injuries, 7 are recorded as some sort of hamstring injury of varying severities. Source How long is DeVante Parker out? Injury timeline, return date, updates on Dolphins WR

That is the very definition of a recurring injury, but I don't know if he had lingering problems with his HS after he was cleared to play (which would have made it more of chronic problem). I was a Physical Therapist Assistant for 22 years, I am by no means an expert, but I am pretty familiar with HS problems.

I was not refuting the fact that Parker has had recurring issues with hamstring strains. That is still different, however, than saying that he has a chronic issue with his hamstring(s), akin to Edelman‘s chronic knee issue. The latter is more problematic, because truly chronic injuries can never be fully rectified, only managed.

My hope is that in Parker’s case, the Patriots may be able to break the cycle by changing his training methods (hydration, stretching/flexibility and strength strength training). As I mentioned in the previous post, their track record in terms of avoiding recurrent soft tissue injuries in their veteran skill position players players during BBs tenure has been very impressive. That doesn’t happen by accident.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Let me know when Ice Box Yoga catches on


You sure about that?
I included the definition of "chronic" in my earlier post yet you chose to ignore Merriam Webster's fine work.

I'll highlight the key word to assist you
Let me know if you believe "recurrent" and "recurring" are not from the same base word "recur"

chron·ic
[?kränik]

ADJECTIVE

1. persisting for a long time or constantly recurring

Published reports indicate 7 hamstring setbacks to date.
Some might argue this is a "recurring" issue

Others........

You left out “constantly”, dummy.

Ask any physician (or physical therapist in it is a musculoskeletal issue) and he/she will tell you that there is a clear difference in the medical world between a chronic condition and a recurrent condition, without having to Google the terms. I treat many such diseases, and the treatment for a recurrent problem is much different than a chronic problem. But I’m sure that you know better…

 

[Toofy]

Can't trade compensatory picks before they are awarded.

I know, so I am hoping they have a language where they have just loosely stated that as 3rd round so that they can trade the compensatory pick without breaking rules.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I know, so I am hoping they have a language where they have just loosely stated that as 3rd round so that they can trade the compensatory pick without breaking rules.

It all depends on if the trade was for the Pats assigned 3rd round pick, or more likely the trade stated that the Pats will trade a 3rd round pick, if the Pats own multiple third round picks, the lower of those picks will be traded.

That wouldn’t violate the whole “can’t trade the comp pick before it’s awarded” rule

 

[borg]

I think his deep ball is very accurate, seems more accurate than Brady's tbh. Mac can lay it in there.

His deep ball accuracy is real.
Unfortunately, the "lay it in / drop it over the top" technique gives DBs additional time to recover and defend at the point of arrival.
Big arm QBs that can drive the ball down field vs "laying it in" don't have to rely on extended timing patterns

 

[zydecochris]

As others have said Parker is a Harry replacement…and because of his talent he may be WR1. I’m on-board with Keeping Nelson A and rolling with Parker, Bourne, Meyers and Nelson along with Wilkerson and Nixon. I was never a fan of drafting a WR in the 1st round who just blew up his knee (even though the knee surgeries have improved greatly). But I’m good with Metchie late 2nd or 3rd.

Normally I do a dance when NE drafts an Alabama player (I'm still pinching myself over the draft of Mac and Barmore) but I agree on not drafting Williams with a 1st round pick. With wide receiver salaries going up so much getting one on a rookie contact is worth more than in the past, and I have a little trouble seeing Williams making a giant impact in his rookie year coming off a significant knee injury suffered so late last season.

Plus, although I don't have any hard data or reporter analysis to refer to, I certainly watched all of the Alabama games last year, and Williams flourished last year with Bryce Young, a much different type of QB than Mac (even thought I preferred Mac as a QB at Alabama). Bryce Young was constantly scrambling around for extra time (while keeping his eyes downfield) and while doing so he often hit Williams for big plays, it reminded me a bit of the way that the Steeler receivers used to flourish by running around and getting free back while Big Ben scrambled to prolong plays to sling the ball down the field (referring to the style only, Young is obviously much smaller and IMHO much smarter than Big Ben was).

Mac is the type to (usually) stand in the pocket, avoid mistakes and get the ball out quickly. I think Metchie might match what Mac needs much better (more of a quick but route runner) and hopefully as you said he could be acquired with a 2nd or 3rd.

 

[venecol]

There is no shortage of injuries in Parker’s history. However, the hamstring injuries stand out prominently. According to draftsharks.com, Parker has had 15 documented injuries since entering the NFL in 2015. That is an average of more than two injuries per season since he was drafted. Of those 15 injuries, 7 are recorded as some sort of hamstring injury of varying severities. Source How long is DeVante Parker out? Injury timeline, return date, updates on Dolphins WR

That is the very definition of a recurring injury, but I don't know if he had lingering problems with his HS after he was cleared to play (which would have made it more of chronic problem). I was a Physical Therapist Assistant for 22 years, I am by no means an expert, but I am pretty familiar with HS problems.

From that site.

 

[PScottman]

Did you not know Belichick has consulted with Bobby Boucher?

C'mon now, we dont want the new Patriots WR drag racing a souped up lawnmover down 128. Or do we??

 

[PatsFan2]

I can see both sides of the argument but I would say that the glass half full argument is this:

Very few WRs can put up these numbers, especially on a team with an anemic running game (Fitzmagic lead the team that year with 4 rushing TDs for f*cks sake) and a low tier starter for a QB.

72

1,202

16.7 ypc

9 TD

Those are WR1 numbers. Parker must now prove that he can come close to duplicating that year. I choose to believe that he can, until he proves me wrong.

I will say this about Parker he put up decent numbers with "Tua can't throwa" after that awesome year with Fitz. So Parker hasn't played with good QB in the past few years I'm just saying.

 

[Pats2000]

The more I think about this trade. The more I don't like it. They gave up too much for a player that's constantly injured. I think pats fans are so desperate for a wide out. And the lack of free agent moves have people overly excited about this move.

A 3rd is too much for a baller? How many guys actually play a full 17 game season each year? Way less than the guys that do.

 

[Ollie]

You sure about that?
I included the definition of "chronic" in my earlier post yet you chose to ignore Merriam Webster's fine work.

I'll highlight the key word to assist you
Let me know if you believe "recurrent" and "recurring" are not from the same base word "recur"

chron·ic
[?kränik]

ADJECTIVE

1. persisting for a long time or constantly recurring

Published reports indicate 7 hamstring setbacks to date.
Some might argue this is a "recurring" issue

I think that's a simplified view. Chronic medically refers to any condition that persists for 3- 6 months such as chronic low back pain. If the low back pain went away for an extended period of time and then returned it wouldn't necessarily be considered chronic. If someone suffered from a condition that naturally waxes and wanes like bronchitis this could be considered chronic even though it isn't always present. I might be wrong but i don't believe straining a hamstring a few times or more could be considered chronic

 

[Ollie]

I will say this about Parker he put up decent numbers with "Tua can't throwa" after that awesome year Fitz. So Parker hasn't played with good QB in the past few years I'm just saying.

I was wondering this. What's the average amount if injured time out? I bet it's quite high. seems rare for a player to not have an injury

 

[Joker]

a lot of "fans" in this thread are definitely smoking the "chronic"

 

[captain stone]

People misuse stats so readily they almost have no value any longer.

That's what I've been tryin' to tell ya!

 

[mgteich]

That's what I've been tryin' to tell ya!

One alternative is to accept the personal views of so many posters that we are a below average defense and a below average offense.

Stats aren't everything, but they are something.

Very personally, I think it is very, very strange to think that the number of points scored by a team doesn't matter, and that the number of points that a team gives up doesn't matter. I suppose that in this view either every game is 50% or the likelihood of winning is best projected by posters whose opinions are the best indicator, and who purposely ignore the stats of players and teams.