Player Signing Report: Patriots Acquire DeVante Parker from Dolphins

[Clonamery]

Heehee. I still think he’s fun.

Ok if your sense of fun is getting kicked in the nuts.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think P

I like it.

They are better than they were yesterday

Hope Agholor can get out of his lease.

I think the Pats need a X-WR now and I think Calvin Austin III or Tyquan Thornton fits that Bill. They are both very fast and would compliment Parker and Bourne. That said I think both C Austin III and T Thornton could be added late Second or early Third. We could use a little more Speed on the outsides I don't think Agholor is that guy.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

What are you basing this theory on?

The same thing you based your theory on below. Pulled it out of my *** just like you.

Because they're not winning the SB this year, so the most important thing is to develop and support the second year QB.

 

[PatsFan2]

That's a very interesting question, Joey. Let me TRY and explain my choice. I felt Aghular was very much underused last season. It seemed like he spent much of his time running clear out routes, than being an actual potential target. I don't know if that was because of Mac's rookieness, or because a belief that Aghular was limited in some way by McDaniel. I believe it was more of the former.

We all seem to want a WR who can "take the top off the defense". Well Aghular actually HAS that kind of speed. But we rarely saw him run stop and go kinds of routes, or the deep in cuts we see speed guys like Hill do routinely. Now was that because he couldn't run those kinds of routes well, or was it Mac wasn't ready to throw them in his first year. I'm hoping it was the latter and he will be better at it this season.

The passing offense this season could be greatly changed with Smith and Keane lining up at TE/FB and Wing positions creating even more dynamic problems for defenses to deal with. I don't think the addition of Parker/draft picks is going to change the fact that the running game is still going to be the heart and soul of our offense and that our passing offense is going to be based on how we can take advantage of teams that will be stacking their defenses to stop that run

As to Myers, I LOVE the kid. He is a classic overachiever, But the fact remains that he is limited as a receiver. He isn't fast. He isn't quick, and he can be taken out by good man defense. The very fact that he gets the production he DOES get is remarkable. My placing him as my 4th WR doesn't diminish what he's done. But it DOES recognize those limitations. In my humble assessment, Aghular offers a unique skill set that Myers doesn't. He can run fast. And in a league where speed kills, Myers can't kill, BUT he does have his place, but in my mind it's as quality depth.

But if say Tre Nixon or some rookie comes to camp and shows HE can do that job on the outside, I'd let go of Nelson in a nanosecond. But as of THIS moment, there is no one on the roster that can replace Aghular's skill set and until we do, we need to keep him. Just a thought

ken excellent reasoning see these two guys Calvin Austin III and Tyquan Thornton. They are well known in the Draft Forum and they won't cost us as much as those Bama guys.

 

[Vindicate]

The game, as it's currently played, is about having an elite QB and (to the extent possible) surrounding him with top end weapons. The Patriots don't yet have either one. Get the weapons to help develop the QB.



What are you basing this theory on?

Examining how Cincinnati beat Kansas twice this year would be an interesting way to test this theory.

And I'm not saying it would prove it wrong (and hell, is only a 2 game sample size)

Just that it's be an interesting thought experiment in using that to explain how the Bengals won those two matchups.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Ok if your sense of fun is getting kicked in the nuts.

Dude this is a PatsFans message board with random posters. If you feel kicked in the NUTS by an Internet poster it is time to see a therapist.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Reaction: No ****ing way!!!

Second Reaction: Why didn’t any team want him with a two year affordable contract for what amounts to very little draft comp?

 

[PatsFan2]

Just watching Devante Parker he plays the way we all wish Harry did. Parker uses his Big body well he can go up and get it. The Patriots haven't had a fetch go get it Receiver since Gronk in his prime and Moss.

 

[ralmat55]

Mason was underpaid objectively and even more subjectively - hence the trade. More importantly the contract had zero guarantees left.
Non guaranteed contracts are just paper, good players will not bother showing up for anything until new contract with guarantees is signed
(either extension or at the least restructure w significant guarantees added). You and i would do the same.

It will be interesting to see how Parker's contract is handled bc in reality it is empty.
Its true that Gilmore played wo guarantees after the trade but there are two big differences - he only dressed for 10 games and a few padded practices after he sat out entire offseason, preseason and half of the season protecting himself + he was in the last yr of his contract.
Parker is only technically under contract for 2 cheap years. Id be surprised if he shows up esp. for TC wo guarantees and he'll definitely not play in 2023 under current terms..

Your partially right. Non-guaranteed contracts are only paper to the teams and a handful of elite players. Most players don’t have any leverage at the end of their contracts. That is one reason it’s not a good idea to just willy nilly push cap money forward because it gives the player some leverage to have their contract redone to lower their cap number.

Players can hold out of off-season activities. But, the fines are too prohibitive now for a player to be a training camp holdout unless they’re a TJ Watt caliber player. The last thing the average player wants is to be cut after the money has dried up.

Guaranteed money had nothing to do with the Mason trade. The Patriots saw him as being overpaid not underpaid believing the position could be upgraded. That might be debatable to you and me, but it appears as if that’s their assessment.

According to OTC, Mason is still on the Buc’s books with his Patriots’ contract. His maximum leverage would have been to say he wouldn’t report unless he received some guarantees. The trade compensation given is in a way a partial guarantee because the team has skin in the situation and would be hesitant to get nothing for the pick(s) the team gave up.

If Mason or Parker receive any guarantees at this point, it will be the team driving the bus for cap space.

 

[dtbrks]

I’m struggling, other than injury history, what is not to like about this trade.

 

[RIpats88]

This allows the Patriots to draft someone like Williams or metchie who have an ACL tear but high upside and not rush them.

Both also played with Mac Jones

 

[TBR]

He killed the Patriots that one game (possibly more than once) so I'm not surprised he was on their radar. Hope he can stay healthy though.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This allows the Patriots to draft someone like Williams or metchie who have an ACL tear but high upside and not rush them.

Both also played with Mac Jones

Only Metchie played with Mac, not Williams.

 

[gtfanboy]

This allows the Patriots to draft someone like Williams or metchie who have an ACL tear but high upside and not rush them.

Both also played with Mac Jones

I prefer Williams but Metchie would be good too. Both are good.

 

[Huckleberry1]

That's a very interesting question, Joey. Let me TRY and explain my choice. I felt Aghular was very much underused last season. It seemed like he spent much of his time running clear out routes, than being an actual potential target. I don't know if that was because of Mac's rookieness, or because a belief that Aghular was limited in some way by McDaniel. I believe it was more of the former.

We all seem to want a WR who can "take the top off the defense". Well Aghular actually HAS that kind of speed. But we rarely saw him run stop and go kinds of routes, or the deep in cuts we see speed guys like Hill do routinely. Now was that because he couldn't run those kinds of routes well, or was it Mac wasn't ready to throw them in his first year. I'm hoping it was the latter and he will be better at it this season.

The passing offense this season could be greatly changed with Smith and Keane lining up at TE/FB and Wing positions creating even more dynamic problems for defenses to deal with. I don't think the addition of Parker/draft picks is going to change the fact that the running game is still going to be the heart and soul of our offense and that our passing offense is going to be based on how we can take advantage of teams that will be stacking their defenses to stop that run

As to Myers, I LOVE the kid. He is a classic overachiever, But the fact remains that he is limited as a receiver. He isn't fast. He isn't quick, and he can be taken out by good man defense. The very fact that he gets the production he DOES get is remarkable. My placing him as my 4th WR doesn't diminish what he's done. But it DOES recognize those limitations. In my humble assessment, Aghular offers a unique skill set that Myers doesn't. He can run fast. And in a league where speed kills, Myers can't kill, BUT he does have his place, but in my mind it's as quality depth.

But if say Tre Nixon or some rookie comes to camp and shows HE can do that job on the outside, I'd let go of Nelson in a nanosecond. But as of THIS moment, there is no one on the roster that can replace Aghular's skill set and until we do, we need to keep him. Just a thought

The problem with this Ken is that once an opposing team, e.g…Buffalo goes up by two or more scores the run game goes out the window and they have to outscore them the rest of the way. A conservative game plan can work if it goes perfectly, but once it falters, like the Buffalo playoff game, then you have to be able to put up touchdowns quickly. Parker helps the offense because it gives them a real outside and end zone target, and it creates better match ups for the rest of their receiving corps, but a true #1 would then give them a 5 deep WR corps that can match up well with any defense.

My hope is that Belichick realizes that the free agent WR market is prohibitive going forward, so he will change his draft priorities to make WR a priority, as it would give them 4-5 years of salary control with them. If Jameson Williams is there at #21 I hope they take him. Wilson and London will be gone by then, but if Williams is gone Jahan Dotson will likely be there, and although he’s not a pure deep threat like Williams he is a really good WR who can help on all levels. Bottom line, I want one more high end WR for this offense, that will give Jones all the tools to have a shot at keeping pace with all the high powered offenses in the AFC.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I’m not sure it’s going to be Agholor as Parker makes Harry irrelevant, but his presence could help open up the offense for Agholor and Bourne.

No one makes Harry irrelevant. He does a good job of that all by himself

Parker
Meyers
Bourne

I say Agholor as it's based on salary and offense fit.

 

[nextsuperstar]

My thoughts is that this team now has a very solid group of WR2/WR3. None of the receivers on this team strike me as pro bowl/WR1 level.

 

[Patsgofor4]

4.46 speed in the 40...good possession receiver...6 years experience in the NFL...why complain?

Asking some here to stop complaining is like asking the rest of us to stop breathing.

 

[Ross12]

That's a very interesting question, Joey. Let me TRY and explain my choice. I felt Aghular was very much underused last season. It seemed like he spent much of his time running clear out routes, than being an actual potential target. I don't know if that was because of Mac's rookieness, or because a belief that Aghular was limited in some way by McDaniel. I believe it was more of the former.

We all seem to want a WR who can "take the top off the defense". Well Aghular actually HAS that kind of speed. But we rarely saw him run stop and go kinds of routes, or the deep in cuts we see speed guys like Hill do routinely. Now was that because he couldn't run those kinds of routes well, or was it Mac wasn't ready to throw them in his first year. I'm hoping it was the latter and he will be better at it this season.

The passing offense this season could be greatly changed with Smith and Keane lining up at TE/FB and Wing positions creating even more dynamic problems for defenses to deal with. I don't think the addition of Parker/draft picks is going to change the fact that the running game is still going to be the heart and soul of our offense and that our passing offense is going to be based on how we can take advantage of teams that will be stacking their defenses to stop that run

As to Myers, I LOVE the kid. He is a classic overachiever, But the fact remains that he is limited as a receiver. He isn't fast. He isn't quick, and he can be taken out by good man defense. The very fact that he gets the production he DOES get is remarkable. My placing him as my 4th WR doesn't diminish what he's done. But it DOES recognize those limitations. In my humble assessment, Aghular offers a unique skill set that Myers doesn't. He can run fast. And in a league where speed kills, Myers can't kill, BUT he does have his place, but in my mind it's as quality depth.

But if say Tre Nixon or some rookie comes to camp and shows HE can do that job on the outside, I'd let go of Nelson in a nanosecond. But as of THIS moment, there is no one on the roster that can replace Aghular's skill set and until we do, we need to keep him. Just a thought

Ken, I agree that giving Agholor more snaps in the slot might not be a bad idea. Meyers has a nose for finding the soft spots in coverage but he’s not as shifty or fast as Agholor. I would be curious what an offense of Parker/Bourne/Agholor/Henry/White looks like.

 

[borisman]

I think this in no way precludes us from drafting a receiver. With Agholor and Meyers hitting FA-cy next year we can gamble on Jameson Williams or later in the draft, Metchie. We’re still in need, just not as much right now.