Dante Scarnecchia on what Mac needs

[Rob0729]

I would rather have a Julian Edelman/Wes Welker type slot than a true #1. This offense is built for spreading the ball around and quick timing routes with crossing patterns with natural picks off of that. That was seriously missing this year. Watching Meyers, Agholor, etc run crossing patterns with rub routes early in the season was painful. They basically gave up on a lot of that by October and threw more out patterns.

 

[Toofy]

David Bell from Purdue looks like deebo Samuels and could be an option for us. But 21 might be too high to draft him.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree with Bourne and Meyers but I definitely think he needs a WR who scares defenses and opens up the field. Defenses this season were able to pack it in against them because their run game was mostly up the middle, snd none of their receivers were deep threats who could beat quality corners. I think they should focus on WR on offense, and focus everything else on defense this off-season. And although I have only taken a cursory look at the upcoming draft I think there will be a # 1 WR available when they pick, although the good draft poster’s here would have a better idea on this.

I agree they need more at the WR spot.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Every team left in the post season has a # 1 WR while the Patriots stubbornly go Frank Sinatra "I did it my way"

Ranking the 25 best wide receivers from the 2021 NFL regular season

The Green Bay Packers' Davante Adams and the Los Angeles Rams' Cooper Kupp headline the top wide receivers from the 2021 NFL regular season.

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Even the Titans who are somewhat molded in the Patriots image have AJ Brown. 2001 was 20 year ago and the NFL has changed. Even Brady saw that and knew that he needed better receivers to win big rings.

Worked out in 2018 w/o a AJ Brown-type. NFL hasn't change that much in 3 years.

 

[patsfan13]

Also yall scar is an oline coach.

if he was so smart about anything else he’d have been offered a hc gig. I value this as much as skip and Shannon’s takes.

If he spoke on what tackles they need to get I’d be ears open but who gives a ****.

Scar forgets more about FB on a given day than anyone on this board will even know.
Congrats you are the leader in the clubhouse for the stupidest comment of the year.

 

[amfootball]

I would rather have a Julian Edelman/Wes Welker type slot than a true #1. This offense is built for spreading the ball around and quick timing routes with crossing patterns with natural picks off of that. That was seriously missing this year. Watching Meyers, Agholor, etc run crossing patterns with rub routes early in the season was painful. They basically gave up on a lot of that by October and threw more out patterns.

I think a slot guy would help but it is not nearly enough. The team needs more dynamic playmakers in the vein of a Samuel, Kittle, Chase, etc. They need guys that can really stress the defense and cause the other team to have to game plan for.

 

[jdlboot14]

I'm going to start banging this drum - Braxton Berrios.
I liked him when he was here in TC. He's really starting to break out in NY, and now is a UFA.
He could seriously be the Welker for Mac. I've been hoping Gunner would break out, but Berrios is an excellent PR, and slot WR.
BRING HIM HOME

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Maybe they need a better qb man.

he puts some more air on that Hyde int, that’sa touchdown early in the game

Though people won’t agree with you, here’s a question: what does every first round failed QB have in common?

Answer: the fanbase blamed the supporting cast for the quarterback not reaching his potential, before finally realizing the quarterback was the problem.

Not saying that’s the case here, but not saying it isn’t the case either. I think it’s very concerning.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Also yall scar is an oline coach.

if he was so smart about anything else he’d have been offered a hc gig. I value this as much as skip and Shannon’s takes.

If he spoke on what tackles they need to get I’d be ears open but who gives a ****.

Hilarious!
The guy spent decades coaching in the FL and learned by osmosis far more than any of us, yet you think your armchair take >> Scar's.

 

[patsfan13]

Hmmmmmm, Micheal Bishop or Tom Brady? Bishop clearly, he has a cannon.


Hmmmmmm, Drew Bledso or Tom Brady? Bledsoe obviously, he has a cannon, and he was the # 1 pick.

Hmmmmm……..Brady has a weak arm, that’s why he dinks and dunks. He’s just going to hold a clipboard for his career. He doesn’t have a cannon…..He couldn’t even win the job at Michigan.

Many are too young to remember that far back.

 

[patsfan13]

So here the the interview with Scar for those out of town. The Bolden kid is intriguing, will be watching him at the combine, another player along the same lines (my binkie for this draft) is Britain Covey from Utah, he does need to gain about 10-15 lbs IMO but he has 4.3-4.4 speed. Lots of good info beyond just the thoughts on WR.

 

[Pats2000]

Yes I do. I can't name a single playoff team that would consider them seriously for a 2 role or would see any of them as a real upgrade for a 3. Yeah if you are forced to be the number 1 on a team you will put up some numbers. But the fact that in a 17 game season neither of our top 2 receivers could get close to 1000 yards when there are 26 receivers in the league who got over 1000 yards and our top receiver ranks 34th yards.... Yeah that's a problem.

There's guys that missed huge chunks on the year that still did better than Meyers who played every single game for us. Also considering he's supposed to be our top WR but there's over 100 guys with more TD receptions than him in addition to him being in the 30's in receiving yards.

The even worst part is he's 19th in receptions so his best stat just highlights how inefficient he is. To give you a comparison, there's a bunch of guys that got less receptions and targets than him that broke 1000 yards and had more TD's.

You have to realize they are both doing these numbers getting the majority of targets as though they were the 1 or 2 every week.

Bourne or Meyers would be okay to be a number 3. But they have no business being in the role they have been here. None at all. It's a huge anchor on our offense and it's a huge anchor on Mac's development to not have real targets.

I love how you don't take into consideration they had a rookie QB throwing to them. In the history of the NFL, there are very few rookies that have had 1000 yard receivers. Rothlisberger and Cam Newton come to mind. Outside of them, there's probably only a couple of other ones. Your expectations are way out of whack.

Lol, an 800 yard receiver as only a #3. Bourne had one of the best YAC's in the league. Year two, I be both of those guys eclipse 1000 yards. It just shows you don't watch film, there's been plenty of times we had receivers open at the 2nd level, but Mac came off them too quickly to go down to his checkdown.

Year two, Mac is going to roll even with this offense, he just needs to tweak his vision. They were putting up 40 and 50 bergers on teams. You don't do that with a crap offense.

 

[skinnydog]

Bourne and Meyers play the way Troy Brown, reliable guys who could be trusted to go to when it matters, Welker and Edelman played like each other, guys who were so quick they could get open instantly so Brady could bail out under blitzes and heavy pressure. Renfrow is more like the latter imo. Jones definitely needs a guy like Edelman, but unfortunately Gunner hasn’t turned into that player yet. But even more than this Jones needs a true #1, and the only way he is getting that is through a high pick in this draft, which is scary because Belichick sucks at picking receivers high in the draft, e.g…Chad Jackson and Harry, possibly the two biggest busts of his career.

Troy Brown was much better after the catch. Bourne looks promising, Myers’s not so much. Myers is a really nice third option.

 

[Rob0729]

Troy Brown was much better after the catch. Bourne looks promising, Myers’s not so much. Myers is a really nice third option.

I thought all year that Bourne should have been getting the throws that Myers have been getting. Bourne caught almost everything thrown his way and he definitely was able to get yards after the catch.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Troy Brown was much better after the catch. Bourne looks promising, Myers’s not so much. Myers is a really nice third option.

I agree with this, Brown turned into a punt returner the moment he got his hands on the ball, Bourne shows some of this upside as well, Meyers is more of just a possession receiver..

 

[VrabelJr]

What's interesting is that Agholor went from a slot/slant guy in Philly to some over the top speed demon in Oakland and here. I don't think Agholor is exactly an Edelman or Sanders type slot guy but he definitely used to play at least some of those routes.

 

[lancerman]

I love how you don't take into consideration they had a rookie QB throwing to them. In the history of the NFL, there are very few rookies that have had 1000 yard receivers. Rothlisberger and Cam Newton come to mind. Outside of them, there's probably only a couple of other ones. Your expectations are way out of whack.

Lol, an 800 yard receiver as only a #3. Bourne had one of the best YAC's in the league. Year two, I be both of those guys eclipse 1000 yards. It just shows you don't watch film, there's been plenty of times we had receivers open at the 2nd level, but Mac came off them too quickly to go down to his checkdown.

Year two, Mac is going to roll even with this offense, he just needs to tweak his vision. They were putting up 40 and 50 bergers on teams. You don't do that with a crap offense.

You know what you are right. Meyers has been here 3 years and for 3 years the passing game has sucked regardless of the QB. Clearly the WR’s who have been mostly the same aren’t the problem and holding everyone back

 

[Ross12]

I would rather have a Julian Edelman/Wes Welker type slot than a true #1. This offense is built for spreading the ball around and quick timing routes with crossing patterns with natural picks off of that. That was seriously missing this year. Watching Meyers, Agholor, etc run crossing patterns with rub routes early in the season was painful. They basically gave up on a lot of that by October and threw more out patterns.

I tend to agree. An Edelman/Welker brings a lot more value. Agholor/Wilkerson, plus Bourne and Meyers, will probably be fine if they have that reliable slot player. Meyers is good but he isn't that guy.

Mac commenting on Bolden's post is interesting. I wonder if Mac will try to lobby for Bolden at all, or if Bill and co. will actually listen. His prior experience with BOB helps. IMO just adding Bolden with something like a third-rounder might be sufficient... Use your high picks on D.

 

[patsfan13]

Right now it appears that Slade Bolden is ranks 25 among WR and Covey is 33 if true they may be available late or as UDFA,

 

[‘Mondre]

Hilarious!
The guy spent decades coaching in the FL and learned by osmosis far more than any of us, yet you think your armchair take >> Scar's.

I didn’t say that. Don’t put words in my mouth