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Brady
Mahomes
Rodgers
Burrow ?
Watson?
Allen ?
Herbert
Carr
Prescott ?
Cousins
Ryan
Murray
Wilson
Stafford
Leaving Jackson out of it, and leaving out all the rookies in order to minimize the projection arguments, the above are the best in the NFL right now, in no particular order. How many of that 14 are worse than Jackson, as a QB?
You mention how running QBs run down over the length of their career, you might also want to mention injuries. QBs in the pocket can't be hit, once they are runners they can unless they slide. As we saw in the Bills game, even being out of bounds doesn't necessarily protect the QB. Plays like the Jerry Hughes play can take out a QB for a season. Dak Prescott was doing a simple running play when he injured his leg and was out most of last season.The entire NFL universe seems to be in love with all the mobile QBs. I don't disagree that having a mobile QB is a great weapon but if that QB cannot develop into a pocket passer there's a ceiling to how good they can be and there's a time clock on their career. I'm not talking about Aaron Rodgers or Steve Young type. They were both superior passers. I'm not even talking about an Alex Smith who wasn't nearly as good as those two but developed and could run in the right circumstance.
To different degrees Michael Vick, Ben Rothleisberger and especially Cam Newton paid the price as time went on with the beating they took. Yes Ben played into his late 30's but he hasn't been the same player in a long time, he did become a pocket passer and you can see the physical decay which is going to affect him down the road. I know people will point out Russell Wilson but he's a moderately effective pocker passer and he has an uncanny ability for not getting lit up when he scrambles. Maybe this season is an anomoly but he's been in a mini decline for a few years. For all his trade demands I'd trade him. I think the wheels are coming off.
In today's game guys like Mahomes, Allen, Herbert and Burrow can run which bails their teams out. When Buffalo is calling QB draws against inferior teams in the first quarter half of me laughs as a Pats fan and the other head shakes my head. They're taking time off of the career of their franchise player. I have no problem with a designed scramble in a key spot but I'd keep it to that. Burrow although nowhere as mobile as the others will take off in key spots. I think Mahomes has taken it back a notch and only does it in spots where he knows he won't take the hits. LAC manages Herbert fairly effectively in this regard.
So then we have Jackson vs Huntley. Jackson is an athletic freak. He's also going to want Josh Allen or Dak Prescott money coming up soon. Would you pay it? I wouldn't. Huntley already looks better in the pocket and while not the freak Jackson is he is mobile. Jackson at 30+ or Huntley at 2M? I'd trade Jackson while he value is still somewhat high for as much draft capital as I can, take the difference in salary and load up everywhere else and I think you come out ahead.
Do I think the Ravens will do this? Not a chance. Jackson sells tickets and merchandise. I think the Ravens fans would lose their minds, yes we can debate their existence, if they traded Jackson.
Well my comment was in response to a post implying he should replace jacksonMy point was not keeping Huntley over Jackson, I would not do that , my point was about the ravens still almost beat good teams with their backup and it was certainly not the fault of the backup qb they lost this games. He wasn't perfect but he was solid for a backup
Agree with very few of thosemost of the ? marked players are probably better... the ones struck thru, right now aren't better than Jackson...
Jones. Ring Cousins would be a disaster. Cousins does not win. Prefect example of a guy who builds up stats that don’t contribute to winning. Cumulative numbers without context over a 16 game season are useless in determining whether you can win with the guy.if some people say Jones ceiling is Ryan/Cousins than Mayfield is below that. Cousins actually produces numbers which many don't have on their radar.
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Too soon to condemn Mayfield. But if you had to guess today it doesn’t look good.He’s Kirk Cousins… maybe not even.
I don't hate any team but the Colts they're #1 for me. I'd hate to see him behind that OL with Taylor in a dome half the year.I don't dislike Jackson. I wish he played for a different franchise because I do hate the Ravens.
Cleveland is in a pickle for sure. Hungry fan base that had a little success after decades of putrid play. They have a big decision to make. I was a big Baker fan coming out. I loved him but he's Jared Goff and just hasn't improved. Very up & down.I wouldn't pay Baker.
You're wrong here man. Balt isn't even top 5 in "pulls" or "keeps"on RPO's. To get most of your comp from RPO would mean you'd be running that a crazy amount of the time. Just doesn't make sense with respect. Also he has 80+ passing TD's - a ton came from inside the pocket. Sorry but you're off here.Lamar is a top 5-10 quarterback right now when healthy. However if he has to stay in the pocket he's not. Most of his completion are some type of rolout or RPO.
I mean he's been very durable until a few games ago and his injury had nothing to do with him running the ball as a "runner" Almost every one misses time at some point in the league. Until it's a real problem it's not a top concern for me. Plus I don't think most realize how banged up and depleted that team is rn. I wouldn't risk it personally. They're a mash unit.Once those physical skills decline and teams don't have to defend his running abilities as much where does that leave him if he doesn't improve as a pocket passer? Can he stay healthy?
He's always been pocket passer that can run. College + Pros (basically 6.5 years) he's passed for 150+ TD's. It's more than clear he's a pocket passer. The narrative that he takes off immediately or runs after his first read or w/e is so false and wrong it's not funny.All the mediots keeps saying stop trying to turn him into a pocket passer. This is dead wrong. They should do everything they can to turn him into a pocket passer and use him as a runner when you need it most to keep tread on the tires.
I love Andrews but he's repeatedly come up short in big moments in the playoffs. People love to point to Jackson in the playoffs and sure, he's the QB. He needs to play better but his team and coaches have **** the bed the last few years.BTW I wouldn't dismiss Huntley. He only has a few starts and has a higher complettion percentage throwing to the same cast Jackson has been. Mark Andrews is no slouch. He might be the best TE in the game right now.
You have to draft well first off. Bateman is a good start imo. He was hurt early on which is a killer for most rookie WR's. Go after a Burks or Wilson if available this draft.If you have to pay Jackson 35M/year can you afford to go out and fill the skill positions with real skill? Vs pay Huntley 2M and give him all the weapons.
Injury prone??Until Jackson proves otherwise, he is an injury prone running QB who’s never lead his team very far in the playoffs.
Mahomes has had the best start in history of football. He is a guy I'd want. Definitely.Fans get enamoured. Why ? Flashy plays that defy logic ? I mean, sure, that is exciting but I want my team to win. Not make a sports centre top 10.
You can and HAVE won with Mahomes. He is a guy I’d want. He is a much better passer than Jackson and even in the loss last year, he had a spectacular SB while playing hurt.
He's had a down year but Cousins, Ryan, Carr, Stafford and Murray could easily go imo. Especially if we're talking since he's been in the league.Is he really, though? That sets up an interesting question.
Brady
Mahomes
Rodgers
Burrow
Watson
Allen
Herbert
Carr
Prescott
Cousins
Ryan
Murray
Wilson
Stafford
Leaving Jackson out of it, and leaving out all the rookies in order to minimize the projection arguments, the above are the best in the NFL right now, in no particular order. How many of that 14 are worse than Jackson, as a QB?
I could give you Watson (sat out the season), Herbert (close enough to call it a wash, since Herbert hasn't shown the ability to really be a big game winner, either) and Burrow (I could accept the consistency question because it's his first full season). I wouldn't agree with any of them, but I could buy the "close enough, because..." argument.Jackson has been as good if not better than Allen, Dak, Watson, Herbert and Burrow.
So then we have Jackson vs Huntley. Jackson is an athletic freak. He's also going to want Josh Allen or Dak Prescott money coming up soon. Would you pay it? I wouldn't.
Pasting for referenceOkay.....
Which ones?
Allen Prescott aren’t ?Brady
Mahomes
Rodgers
Burrow ?
Watson?
Allen ?
Herbert
Carr
Prescott ?
Cousins
Ryan
Murray
Wilson
Stafford
No I'm speaking overall, mainly since Jackson and Allen have entered the league. All three are comparable looking at the collective imo. Both were better than Jackson this year and Allen last year as well. Jackson wasn't bad last year though.I could give you Watson (sat out the season), Herbert (close enough to call it a wash, since Herbert hasn't shown the ability to really be a big game winner, either) and Burrow (I could accept the consistency question because it's his first full season). I wouldn't agree with any of them, but I could buy the "close enough, because..." argument.
But, if you think that Jackson's been as good a QB as Allen and Prescott this year or last, we're watching very different football players.
Murray? whats he ever done? ridiculous to say hes betterPasting for reference
Allen Prescott aren’t ?
Wilson, Murray better.
Herbert, Carr, Stafford, Ryan too close to call.
But ultimately “better now” is too vague any way so it’s just opinions among people likely using different criteria to begin with
Too close to call because Jackson hasn’t done anything either.Murray? whats he ever done? ridiculous to say hes better
Stafford? a pile of nothing stats... and 0-3 in the playoffs
Herbert? still waiting on that one signature win
Carr? lol, really? come on man... mr inconsistent is too close to call?
Matt Ryan is broken, has been for years now.
Allen & Prescott ... as I said, you could make an argument for or againt...
Wilson? Unless he rebounds, looks like he's fallen off a cliff... but all in all is a great qb, and i shouldn't have discounted him.
nothing? i would say winning a playoff game, winning an mvp isnt "nothing"Too close to call because Jackson hasn’t done anything either.
carreer post season his team averages 13 of a
has yet to hit 21 in a game. His qb rating is 68.3, he has 3 td and 5 picks and has thrown for less than 200 years 75% of the time.
Murray went to a crap team with a bad coach and almost single handedly has consistently improved them. They were the best team in the NFL this year until he got injured.
Ryan at least took a team to a SB.
Stafford and carr put up useless numbers, just like Jackson.
Herbert missing a signature win surely doesn’t put him behind Jackson.