A Frustrating Observation On N'Keal Harry

[RobertWeathers]

You know what I mean. But then again you're the same disingenuous poster who tried to claim the pats' crappy drafts from 2013-2019 were actually good because there were a bunch of special or bench players from those drafts.

Point is there have been a number of dumb moves that show the offensive staff isn't always doing what's the best for the team from a talent eval standpoint. Benching karras for no reason this year until week7, keep giving NKeal Harry a million chances, didn't play Jacobi Meyers or Damien Harris last year till almost Halloween while giving binkies NKeal Harry and Michel all the reps.

I went easy on you. I was correcting you because you need a lot of correcting.

I don't expect you to ever comprehend nor understand what a good draft/bad draft is.

Nor do I expect you to comprehend the concept of player development and how challenging is to align positional requirements/player skill-set relative to the scheme. Even the great BB doesn't figure it out in the first 10 minutes.

I suggest you refrain from debating me on these topics because you are not good at it but happy to do so if you want.

 

[NormZauchin]

Yeah the LB group is big we have plenty players but could use a re think of the strategy there. We have many big ILB who are slow and not really coverage suited and on the edge we have speed rushers who don’t play ILB but don’t really often get used as pass rushers as well at least right now. I hope we can land some coverage LB , that is high on my list . HT could retire imo, KVN will be back hopefully , Collins is a FA I believe as Bentley as well, Oerkins Jennings McGrone are like rookies more or less to be honest bc I don’t really judge the covid season from jennings. Wino I can see get traded because he can play it’s just not here , we should part ways here maybe for a late round pick or trade up a current pick , there are plenty of ways to regroup the LB next year , along with a fattie and we are good

Collins will sign with another team, but should be back with us by mid-season.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Collins will sign with another team, but should be back with us by mid-season.

5 year deal worth 50 Million with the Dolphins and comes back to us playing them in late season

 

[holyredeemer]

Did you cum when you saw that meme?

Did you cum in your Brady sock when he pulled out the win yesterday?

I had already came. Twice.

Fellas! Can’t we all just cum together and get along?! Good. Now hold up, I’ll go get the lube.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Onwenu has taken a step back in Year 2, for whatever reason. I would like to see him back at RT and Brown at LT, though.

I don't know if took a step back. At G he was not good but when they moved him to RT he seemed like his old/young self. Agree 100% on RT/Lt changes.

But good lord, drafting two TEs in a weak TE draft was horrific team-planning. And that’s without hindsight. Hindsight makes it look even worse considering the two stiffs they drafted didn’t do enough to stop Bill from spending like a drunken sailor at the same position a year later.

My belief is they saw Asiasi as a decent in-line TE prospect. With that said that whole TE draft sucked. I guess they saw Keene as an H-back/TE/FB AH hybrid type. Both picks are zero ROI. No question.

 

[Kontradiction]

That is a good question , the second year jump did not happen. Brown Wynn Andrews mason Oberin could be a try in TC imo at least on paper it looks good

Especially Keene, he was mocked in the draft board a lot to us but not even close to the third round, the other TE of this class look like number two Tight ends as well so far at best. The worst pick was a kicker in the fifth a total waste because value isn’t there imo, I really thought this is the spot we finally take a WR or DT

The Rohrwasser pick was good in a way that it was entertaining to watch the inevitable meltdown take place on this board and through social media.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I went easy on you.

Nah you throw half-lies in your posts and hope nobody notices.
Notable fails:
1. Claiming drafts didn't suck from 2013-2019 by highlighting a dozen crappy players whose claim to fame is being a special teamer or barely used bench player in the league.
2. Claiming the oc had multiple examples of successfully using two pass-catching tight ends, and then when i looked into each season 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015 called you out on your crap because you were hoping nobody would actually look it up.

Thanks also for reminding me you throw in bad claims and hope nobody notices.

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't know if took a step back. At G he was not good but when they moved him to RT he seemed like his old/young self. Agree 100% on RT/Lt changes.

My belief is they saw Asiasi as a decent in-line TE prospect. With that said that whole TE draft sucked. I guess they saw Keene as an H-back/TE/FB AH hybrid type. Both picks are zero ROI. No question.

Yeah, that’s a lot of beef to anchor both sides of the line. Those sweeps and tosses would be lethal, even to the weak side. I hope they’re just rope-a-doping us and that change happens on a full time basis by the time the postseason starts.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

The Rohrwasser pick was good in a way that it was entertaining to watch the inevitable meltdown take place on this board and through social media.

That’s why you got my vote for funniest poster , i made like dozen accounts to pump your vote pls don’t tell anyone

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Yeah, that’s a lot of beef to anchor both sides of the line. Those sweeps and tosses would be lethal, even to the weak side. I hope they’re just rope-a-doping us and that change happens on a full time basis by the time the postseason starts.

The combo blocks of mason Onwenu are already feared from 2020

 

[RobertWeathers]

Nah you throw half-lies in your posts and hope nobody notices.

I'm here. Keep going.

Notable fails:
1. Claiming drafts didn't suck from 2013-2019 by highlighting a dozen crappy players whose claim to fame is being a special teamer or barely used bench player in the league.

Again you have no idea what a good/bad draft is. I rest my case on that one. Every post you make on this topic supports it.

2. Claiming the oc had multiple examples of successfully using two pass-catching tight ends, and then when i looked into each season 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015 called you out on your crap because you were hoping nobody would actually look it up.

I listed all the stats and subsequently torched you in that debate and you know it. Man you got your ass kicked...

Thanks also for reminding me you throw in bad claims and hope nobody notices.

Well, since i'm debating you again and not running away like you did with the TE discussion, i'm here. Let's keep going.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah, that’s a lot of beef to anchor both sides of the line. Those sweeps and tosses would be lethal, even to the weak side. I hope they’re just rope-a-doping us and that change happens on a full time basis by the time the postseason starts.

I think it might be too late for the switch but of the 3 tackles there is no doubt Wynn is #3.

 

[Kontradiction]

That’s why you got my vote for funniest poster , i made like dozen accounts to pump your vote pls don’t tell anyone

You’re a scholar and a gentleman!

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

You’re a scholar and a gentleman!

I need to googel Scholar first thanks for teaching me new words

Edit: now this teaching me words stuff makes even more sense after the translation

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I listed all the stats and subsequently torched you in that debate and you know it. Man you got your ass kicked...

Yeah let's keep going. I noted and pulled the stats on seasons where Gronk had a good year and then 1 TE had 50 yards and another TE had 80 yards, you count this as an example of the oc successfully deploying 2 pass-catching tight ends. Nope. Just stop lying.

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[patsfanfromoversea]

I think it might be too late for the switch but of the 3 tackles there is no doubt Wynn is #3.

This is 2022 TC stuff agree keep the line like it is right now need consistency

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah let's keep going. I noted and pulled the stats on seasons where Gronk had a good year and then 1 TE had 50 yards and another TE had 80 yards, you count this as an example of the oc successfully deploying 2 pass-catching tight ends. Nope. Just stop lying.

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I did not count this as an example. Go back and post my research and you didn't pull anything. You listed 20 years consecutively which was very strange.

But since you want to use this an an example of why Josh sucks, the TE you are referring to is Dwayne Allen.

You think Dwayne Allen was capable of catching 50+ balls as a TE2 here?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I did not count this as an example. Go back and post my research.

But since you want to use this an an example of why Josh sucks, the TE you are referring to is Dwayne Allen.

You think Dwayne Allen was capable of catching 50+ balls at TE2 here?

You then tried to lie and bring up Bennett. But I pulled up all the seasons Bennett was here. He did squat except for when Gronk only played 6 games one year and Bennett was basically the TE1. Again lies from you hoping nobody would notice.

Meanwhile there are tons of examples where the current oc has repeatedly sucked and had no clue at using 2 TEs: St'Louis11 had the worst TE production in the league. Denver'10 had the worst TE production in the league. New England'20 had the worst TE production in the league.

We can go even further back. Never did anything with both Graham and Watson. And to be clear, I wouldn't expect a clear-blocker like Dwayne Allen or Graham to be expected to be major pass catchers. So don't bring them up as examples that the oc knows how to use 2 TE pass catchers. He doesn't. He has zero clue how to use Jonnu Smith.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

That is a good question , the second year jump did not happen. Brown Wynn Andrews mason Oberin could be a try in TC imo at least on paper it looks good

Especially Keene, he was mocked in the draft board a lot to us but not even close to the third round, the other TE of this class look like number two Tight ends as well so far at best. The worst pick was a kicker in the fifth a total waste because value isn’t there imo, I really thought this is the spot we finally take a WR or DT

Huh, king of the Fae court. Sounds like a killer football player.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You then tried to lie and bring up Bennett. But I pulled up all the seasons Bennett was here. He did squat except for when Gronk only played 6 games one year and Bennett was basically the TE1. Again lies from you hoping nobody would notice.

In the 6 games Bennett and Gronk played together they were both productive.

Why would I publish something on a fan board hoping no one would notice? That is the stupidest, wacked-out, ass-backwards logic I have ever read.

Meanwhile there are tons of examples where the current oc has repeatedly sucked and had no clue at using 2 TEs: St'Louis11 had the worst TE production in the league. Denver'10 had the worst TE production in the league. New England'20 had the worst TE production in the league.

Look at the personnel in STL. It all starts there.

We can go even further back. Never did anything with both Graham and Watson.

Josh was OC in 05 and 06. Graham and Watson were both on the team.

And to be clear, I wouldn't expect a clear-blocker like Dwayne Allen or Graham to be expected to be major pass catchers. So don't bring them up as examples that the oc knows how to use 2 TE pass catchers. He doesn't.

If you didn't expect Allen to be a pass catcher then why do you think Josh didn't know how to use him in 2017 and 2018? Proof?

He has zero clue how to use Jonnu Smith.

..because Smith came from a West Coast offense and is having a tough time learning this one. HH came from E/P. I don't expect you to know that because you take about 15 seconds to research something and immediately jump to a conclusion.