OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[amfootball]

Ice, do you have the MVP odds this morning?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Right and Brady never threw things when he was with the Patriots and got upset at his coaches screaming at them... Oh wait.

Last night was about him losing his three top pass catchers all in the first half. That was the frustration.

Sorry, without his weapons, Brady is the same as he was in 2019. How much better do you think Brady would have been with Harry, Meyers, and Bourne? In fact, even with all the injuries, Brady had a better supporting cast last night than Mac did. That is a fact.

And these days, Brady seems to be upset with the opposing coach as well as the referee...

 

[sb1]

LOL, Brady threw more microsoft tablets last night than he did touchdowns...thanks but Mac played better this weekend.

Is that the same number as wins Bill has against his former QB?

 

[sb1]

Sorry, without his weapons, Brady is the same as he was in 2019. How much better do you think Brady would have been with Harry, Meyers, and Bourne? In fact, even with all the injuries, Brady had a better supporting cast last night than Mac did. That is a fact.

And these days, Brady seems to be upset with the opposing coach as well as the referee...

Brady was just as passionate in game many times here in NE as he was last night.

 

[VectorPrime]

Sorry, without his weapons, Brady is the same as he was in 2019. How much better do you think Brady would have been with Harry, Meyers, and Bourne? In fact, even with all the injuries, Brady had a better supporting cast last night than Mac did. That is a fact.

And these days, Brady seems to be upset with the opposing coach as well as the referee...

He did not have a better supporting cast last night than Mac does but if hypothetically he did umm, Belichick just just spent like 150 million on those weapons so that’s really bad then.

 

[amfootball]

Is that the same number as wins Bill has against his former QB?

I suppose it's all they got is to come here after a Bucs loss when Brady lost all his top pass catchers in the first half because the salt is a mile high after Brady won the super bowl last year. LOL

 

[amfootball]

That's what's so awesome about this season in many ways. Brady already won the super bowl last year so this season is just gravy. I mean the injuries stink and have all season but he's also managed to grab all the legacy records this year and still has a chance to win MVP at age 44. All in all it's been a pretty spectacular season for him and hopefully they can try to finish this thing off if they can get healthy. AB coming back is huge.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I suppose it's all they got is to come here after a Bucs loss when Brady lost all his top pass catchers in the first half because the salt is a mile high after Brady won the super bowl last year. LOL

The only reason he won the SB last year was because of his weapons. We saw how he plays without them last night. Like I said, he is 2018-2019 Brady without them. Bill was right to not sign him to a long term deal because Brady isn't the same anymore unless you surround him with a bunch of talent like Tampa has.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That's what's so awesome about this season in many ways. Brady already won the super bowl last year so this season is just gravy. I mean the injuries stink and have all season but he's also managed to grab all the legacy records this year and still has a chance to win MVP at age 44. All in all it's been a pretty spectacular season for him and hopefully they can try to finish this thing off if they can get healthy. AB coming back is huge.

Well if Brees didn't have 11 cracked ribs and a punctured lung, the Bucs would have lost to the Saints easily last year as per usual.

 

[Guts]

The only reason he won the SB last year was because of his weapons. We saw how he plays without them last night. Like I said, he is 2018-2019 Brady without them. Bill was right to not sign him to a long term deal because Brady isn't the same anymore unless you surround him with a bunch of talent like Tampa has.

Nah the Saints D/Dennis Allen just own him. Kind of like those pesky Ravens/Giants teams in the 00s-10s. Bad matchups

 

[sb1]

That's what's so awesome about this season in many ways. Brady already won the super bowl last year so this season is just gravy. I mean the injuries stink and have all season but he's also managed to grab all the legacy records this year and still has a chance to win MVP at age 44. All in all it's been a pretty spectacular season for him and hopefully they can try to finish this thing off if they can get healthy. AB coming back is huge.

I always said the only thing that can stop that offense is injuries, and well here we are. Wouldn't it be something if Brady overcame all of that again.

 

[amfootball]

I always said the only thing that can stop that offense is injuries, and well here we are. Wouldn't it be something if Brady overcame all of that again.

Sometimes I think he does it on purpose just because he's bored. I mean he's basically playing against himself at this point. LOL

 

[amfootball]

Nah the Saints D/Dennis Allen just own him. Kind of like those pesky Ravens/Giants teams in the 00s-10s. Bad matchups

I agree. Cameron was a beast all night. I really didn't have much issue with the coaching at all. I thought the game plan was really good until everybody got injured and then Brady was just trying to inch down the field for the touchdown that would have won the game. The missed field goal early really hurt them. And of course Brady's fumble inside the 20 as well.

Getting a bit lost in all this is how well the buc defense played. That might have been one of their best games of the year. They completely shut down Hill and that offense from the second possession on. If they didn't have the injuries Brady probably wins in a blowout.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Nah the Saints D/Dennis Allen just own him. Kind of like those pesky Ravens/Giants teams in the 00s-10s. Bad matchups

On NE this year, Brady would have 25 touchdowns...the weapons he has in Tampa allows him to have like another 15.

 

[Guts]

I agree. Cameron was a beast all night. I really didn't have much issue with the coaching at all. I thought the game plan was really good until everybody got injured and then Brady was just trying to inch down the field for the touchdown that would have won the game. The missed field goal early really hurt them. And of course Brady's fumble inside the 20 as well.

Getting a bit lost in all this is how well the buc defense played. That might have been one of their best games of the year. They completely shut down Hill and that offense from the second possession on. If they didn't have the injuries Brady probably wins in a blowout.

I don't think so. Even when Evans and Godwin were out there they had 3 three and outs. Saints D came to play just a bad matchup they better hope not to see them in the playoffs.

 

[amfootball]

I don't think so. Even when Evans and Godwin were out there they had 3 three and outs. Saints D came to play just a bad matchup they better hope not to see them in the playoffs.

Brady was going to Godwin early and they were hooking up pretty well. And then he had that awesome pass to Evans which was the play Evans got hurt on. I think if both of them stay in the game there's no question the bucs put up 20 plus points.

 

[Guts]

On NE this year, Brady would have 25 touchdowns...the weapons he has in Tampa allows him to have like another 15.

Maybe so who knows, but it's pretty factual that the Saints D just are a bad matchup. His top 3 worst games since he arrived at Tampa has been vs the Saints not a coincidence

 

[Tunescribe]

Such an awful pairing that they won a super bowl in year one in a covid season with no off season. LOL

Also pretty sure Bill would have given his right arm to have Brady be his quarterback on Saturday night.

Nope, you're missing the point. When the Bucs supporting cast is perfectly intact, Brady can effectively work a system that doesn't rely on maximizing his skill set. When it isn't and the coaches can't adjust accordingly, he's hung out to dry. That's why Tampa failed to score 10 points last night with their defense playing lights out. Superior coaching and a system designed to maximize Brady's abilities is why you saw him succeed so often in New England with mediocre weapons at his disposal.

 

[amfootball]

Nope, you're missing the point. When the Bucs supporting cast is perfectly intact, Brady can effectively work a system unsuited to maximizing his skill set. When it isn't and the coaches can't adjust accordingly, he's hung out to dry. That's why Tampa failed to score 10 points last night with their defense playing lights out and superior coaching that could maximize Brady's abilities is why you saw him succeed so often in New England with mediocre weapons at his disposal.

It's obvious you and the author have not watched the bucs offense this year. The offense was changed to fit Brady skill set starting last year after the bye week in week12. If the offense was so poorly suited to him how is he an MVP candidate this year? That's not just about his weapons that's about the offense that not only suits him but one that he has mastered perfectly. To criticize the coaching last night after he lost his top three pass catchers against a really great Saints defense is absurd. The Patriots don't win that game. Bill doesn't win that game. The Saints destroyed the Patriots in Foxboro.

Heck Bill couldn't beat the colts on Saturday night because his team wasn't prepared to play. The Patriots didn't lose that game because the colts stopped them the way the Saints defense stopped the bucs. The Patriots lost because of a ton of self-inflicted wounds which directly speaks to the poor coaching. Mac said in his presser that the team had a bad week of practice and low energy. That's 100% coaching.

 

[Tunescribe]

It's obvious you and the author have not watched the bucs offense this year. The offense was changed to fit Brady skill set starting last year after the bye week in week12. If the offense was so poorly suited to him how is he an MVP candidate this year? That's not just about his weapons that's about the offense that not only suits him but one that he has mastered perfectly. To criticize the coaching last night after he lost his top three pass catchers against a really great Saints defense is absurd. The Patriots don't win that game. Bill doesn't win that game. Heck Bill couldn't beat the colts on Saturday night because his team wasn't prepared to play. The Patriots didn't lose that game because the colts stoppef them the way the Saints defense stopped the bucs. The Patriots lost because of a ton of self-inflicted wounds which directly speaks to the poor coaching.

Bah. You can't tell me that with Brady, Gronk, Vaughn, Brate, etc. and what is SUPPOSED to be one of the league's best offensive lines they still couldn't have mustered 10 points with a little creative adjusting. The coaching staff lost three guys and was caught flat-footed.