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[RobertWeathers]

To be fair that logic works for the coach too. Belichick coached a bad football team last season and they finished less than .500 so it's fair to say he would be Marvin Lewis and not a 6 time Super Bowl champ if he didn't have a really good team to coach.

But if you really put Brady on the Lions - who says he couldn't carry them to greatness? He took a middling Bucs team that hadn't made the playoffs in years and almost singlehandedly made them great IMO. He brings a lot more to a team than just what's on the field.

If Brady was on the Lions they would not be great. 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7. Maybe.

That's not a knock on Tom but Tom is one of 53 players. The Lions ownership, front-office, coaching and roster is a train -wreck.

Tom is the GOAT. Not a miracle worker.

 

[sb1]

I agree. The Chargers appear to be frauds, the Panthers had a JV Darnold playing QB who was injured and the Browns are the very definition of a middler team although blowing them out on both sides of the ball was impressive. I agree about Tenn and the Bills. Those will be our truest tests to date. If we fare well vs those teams then I think we can start feeling good about a deep playoff run assuming health is on our side.

And the Browns were missing their best weapon on offense.

I did like that we completely dominated them, that's what a really good team should do to a team like the Browns. We might be a really good team. But we'll find out soon for sure. The Bills and Titans are Super Bowl contenders. If we can measure up to them well then it's really time to like our chances.

 

[oldrover]

I appreciate every dyamed game the Pats have played since I saw Joe Kapp at QB...which I DID NOT APPRECIATE!

LOL... yeah, check out that stat line for 1970:

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44.7% completions, 3 TDs, 17 INT's.

 

[sb1]

If Brady was on the Lions they would not be great. 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7. Maybe.

That's not w knock on Tom but Tom is one of 53 players. The Lions ownership, front-office, coaching and roster is a train -wreck.

Tom is the GOAT. Not a miracle worker.

I think Brady's presence elevates a lot more than just the QB position. He's a leader and in a way a "coach" himself. That's why he did what he did with the Bucs. And his team would be built around him.

Don't know about Super Bowl but I think a team like the Lions would be at least a playoff caliber team if they had Brady.

 

[amfootball]

If Brady was on the Lions they would not be great. 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7. Maybe.

That's not w knock on Tom but Tom is one of 53 players. The Lions ownership, front-office, coaching and roster is a train -wreck.

Tom is the GOAT. Not a miracle worker.

Honestly, the 2000/2001 Pats prior to Brady was the very definition of a train wreck. Pete the Poodle/Grier were disasters, Bill looked like Cleveland Bill and on the hot seat. The roster was upside down. Then Brady stepped on the field ...

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think Brady's presence elevates a lot more than just the QB position. He's a leader and in a way a "coach" himself. That's why he did what he did with the Bucs. And his team would be built around him.

Don't know about Super Bowl but I think a team like the Lions would be at least a playoff caliber team if they had Brady.

I agree 100% regarding Tom's value.

...but the Lions are a rudderless, hapless, pathetic excuse for a football team.

If he went in and got them to 8-8 or 9-7 he should win MVP.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Honestly, the 2000/2001 Pats prior to Brady was the very definition of a train wreck. Pete the Poodle/Grier were disasters, Bill looked like Cleveland Bill and on the hot seat. The roster was upside down. Then Brady stepped on the field ...

Yep but ownership, coaching and the talent base for the 01 team was light years ahead of the 2021 Lions.

 

[amfootball]

Yep but ownership, coaching and the talent base for the 01 team was light years ahead of the 2021 Lions.

I hear you but Brady proved with us and then with Tampa that he is organizational transformative player. He brings more to the table than just his on field talents. He elevates everyone including coaches and mgmt. Whatever team he landed on in 2000 would eventually have become playoff contenders and then champions.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If Brady was on the Lions they would not be great. 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7. Maybe.

That's not w knock on Tom but Tom is one of 53 players. The Lions ownership, front-office, coaching and roster is a train -wreck.

Tom is the GOAT. Not a miracle worker.

He’s a miracle worker on offense, but no, there’s really nothing he can do about the defense/special teams, etc. other than putting them in more favorable situations. But I think you could put an elite QB (Brady, Rodgers, Manning) in their prime on roughly 75% of the teams in the league and they’d win 10+ games. There will always be some putrid, outlier bad teams that are abysmal and unsalvageable.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Exactly, what legendary players didn't sign a one year deal to retire with the team they had their most success with in the last couple of decades?

Also it's not my attitude towards Brady, I just hope that ever team but the Pats goes 0 and 17 and they get the 1 seed and superbowl win every year

You’re thinking of baseball though. Occasionally an NFL player will sign a one day contract with a former team for some symbolic reason, but it really doesn’t matter. In baseball, the player designates the team he’ll rep primarily in the Hall of Fame. In football, it doesn’t work like that. There’s really no reason to retire with the Patriots unless he’s playing for another season.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I hear you but Brady proved with us and then with Tampa that he is organizational transformative player. He brings more to the table than just his on field talents. He elevates everyone including coaches and mgmt. Whatever team he landed on in 2000 would eventually have become playoff contenders and then champions.

Sure as long there is good coaching, good GM, good talent and strong ownership to recognize what they had in young Tom.

 

[amfootball]

Sure as long there is good coaching, good GM, good talent and strong ownership to recognize what they had in young Tom.

This is probably where we disagree. I do think solid GM and talent for sure but the Tampa coaches IMO are total clowns.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He’s a miracle worker on offense, but no, there’s really nothing he can do about the defense/special teams, etc. other than putting them in more favorable situations. But I think you could put an elite QB (Brady, Rodgers, Manning) in their prime on roughly 75% of the teams in the league and they’d win 10+ games. There will always be some putrid, outlier bad teams that are abysmal and unsalvageable.

Totally unfair to Tom. He isn't a miracle worker on O. If he was the 2019 Pats would have scored 30+ ppg. Offense was devoid of talent. Line sucked.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is probably where we disagree. I do think solid GM and talent for sure but the Tampa coaches IMO are total clowns.

Ariens has led teams to winning records in Indy and AZ. He is a clown but a somewhat competent clown. Give him talent he'll do ok. Give him the so-so talent he won't do much.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Totally unfair to Tom. He isn't a miracle worker on O. If he was the 2019 Pats would have scored 30+ ppg. Offense was devoid of talent. Line sucked.

Figure of speech. If anyone can salvage crap talent, it’s Tom, but there’s always limits if it’s bad enough. Also, I still believe his elbow was a problem in 2019, even though there were so many other issues with that offense.

 

[Rob0729]

To be fair that logic works for the coach too. Belichick coached a bad football team last season and they finished less than .500 so it's fair to say he would be Marvin Lewis and not a 6 time Super Bowl champ if he didn't have a really good team to coach.

But if you really put Brady on the Lions - who says he couldn't carry them to greatness? He took a middling Bucs team that hadn't made the playoffs in years and almost singlehandedly made them great IMO. He brings a lot more to a team than just what's on the field.

IDK, last year's Patriots probably would have been a 3-4 win team with a different coach. They played most of season with a QB who couldn't actually throw the ball and had to basically be a RPO offense which typically isn't something that isn't successful in the NFL.

And last year's Bucs team had a lot talent. Hell, Jameis Winston passed for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs with that offense the year before. It was a talented team that needed a real QB. If Winston didn't turn the ball over 30 times, they might have gotten into the playoffs in 2019. Let's not pretend the Bucs were like the 2006 Patriots with very little talent on offense at all and him bringing them to one play away from winning the AFCCG with Reche Caldwell as his lead receiver. The Bucs probably don't win the Super Bowl without Brady, but a good QB could have brought them into the playoffs.

 

[Midship]

This thread is embarrassing. Some people call it like they see it when the team is playing like **** (which they were). You can also say they are playing well when that is the case. Not so difficult.

 

[Rob0729]

If Brady was on the Lions they would not be great. 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7. Maybe.

That's not w knock on Tom but Tom is one of 53 players. The Lions ownership, front-office, coaching and roster is a train -wreck.

Tom is the GOAT. Not a miracle worker.

Yeah, I can't see Brady making the Lions a playoff team. Brady can make a team better than they would be with most or possible any other QB in the league, but there is a ceiling to what he can do. And I still wonder if he can elevate a bad team like he has in the past. If the last few weeks is an indicator now that the Bucs have lost quite a few key players to injury, then the answer is no.

 

[amfootball]

Ariens has led teams to winning records in Indy and AZ. He is a clown but a somewhat competent clown. Give him talent he'll do ok. Give him the so-so talent he won't do much.

Well said. They really, really, really need to fire Bowles.

 

[Rob0729]

This thread is embarrassing. Some people call it like they see it when the team is playing like **** (which they were). You can also say they are playing well when that is the case. Not so difficult.

Some people do call it like it is. But others want this team to fail. If there are homers who will spin every negative into positives no matter how much it stretches reality, then there are haters who will do the same in the opposite direction.