NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION ****** Other NFL Games Thread Week 1 ******

[Deus Irae]

On the no call Goodwin Pass Interference......I think it's real simple....if you're a Tampa fan (which there seems to be a lot of these days) you're going to think it wasn't pass interference, if you hate the Bucs(which there also seems to be a lot of) you're going to think it was pass interference.

If it was a Patriot receiver, I would be very happy, if it was a Patriot defender, I'd be very upset.

Bayless is a Cowboys honk. No OPI
Thannon Tharpe is an anti-Brady guy. No OPI.
The defender, Lewis, was anti-Bucs last night. No OPI.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Ref didn’t throw the flag because the defender had his hands on the WR. He decided they were both fighting.

Godwin probably gets flagged due to the extending of the arms if the defender didn’t have his hands on him.

 

[TheRainMaker]

That's TommyBrady12?





That explains such idiotic postings.

Yeah I was curious who that was.

 

[venecol]

Ref didn’t throw the flag because the defender had he hands on the WR. He decided they were both fighting.

Godwin probably gets flagged due to the extending of the arms if the defender didn’t have his hands on him.

That and maybe ref actually saw CB flopping like @KontradictioN says and decided "not to throw" the flag because of it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

That and maybe ref actually saw CB flopping like @KontradictioN says and decided "not to throw" the flag because of it.

Possibly. Also, it being the final drive.

 

[Rob0729]

I never thought about it like that Mac 10, lol, but yeah, I agree....if you are not on this team, I can't root for you. That goes for Tom, Bill or whoever leaves us. ps.great name!!!!

I can only root for Tom if it doesn't affect the Pats. If the Bucs winning negatively affect the Pats' chances at the playoffs or a Super Bowl ring, I will never root for Tom.

But the way the NFL is set up, you are rooting for laundry. Brady has shown that no player is guaranteed to be a Patriot for life. I will always be a Patriots fan first and foremost.

 

[Deus Irae]

The flop is irrelevant because no flag was thrown. It isn't relevant because you want it to be. Again, I and a large number of people think it was OPI because Godwin pushed off, not because the defender fell to the ground. In fact, I think Collinsworth said that the defender would have probably fallen to the ground either way and the push off didn't cause it. You keep saying that the flop is relevant because the ref shouldn't be giving out calls because the defender flops to the ground. BUT THE REF DIDN'T CALL OPI. Whether he flopped or not, it didn't affect how the refs judged the play.

And the defender has the right to the ball if he is looking back to the ball. And he could have most certainly got his hand on the ball from what I saw. He might not have been able to catch it but he could have certainly been able to get his hand in there and break up the pass and that is enough for NFL standards.

I am guessing that if it was Amari Cooper who pushed off a Bucs defender, I assume you and others on this board would be saying it was clearly OPI like @ashley1992.

I don't blame that call on the Cowboys' loss or say the Bucs only won because of it. The Cowboys had too many blown opportunities to to win the game to blame it on one call or non-call. And I think the Bucs had several bad calls or non-calls go against them too. But I think that was OPI and pretty clearly. But a lot of good WRs get away with it. Moss did a lot when he was here. That is how the NFL works.

If the flop was irrelevant because no flag was thrown, than any arm extension is irrelevant for the same reason.

 

[Rob0729]

Ref didn’t throw the flag because the defender had his hands on the WR. He decided they were both fighting.

Godwin probably gets flagged due to the extending of the arms if the defender didn’t have his hands on him.

But the defender having his hands on Godwin is legal if he is looking back for the ball. Pushing off is a penalty.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

That and maybe ref actually saw CB flopping like @KontradictioN says and decided "not to throw" the flag because of it.

on these outside shoulder throws it always looks like a bad position for the DB to be able to keep standing.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yeah I was curious who that was.

Yeah, the guy who always has me on ignore, but somehow always responds to my posts apparently changed his name, though not his godawful posting. I've suggested, time and again, that he get his ignore function fixed, but apparently to no avail.

 

[Rob0729]

If the flop was irrelevant because no flag was thrown, than any arm extension is irrelevant for the same reason.

No! Extending the arm while pushing off is always a penalty. If the defender remained upright and Godwin extended the arm while pushing off, it would still be OPI. If you watch the video, the defender didn't start to fall until AFTER Godwin extended the arm. So the alleged flop had nothing to do with the arm extension.

It was OPI. Wasn't the worst I have seen. I don't blame the outcome on it especially since the Bucs had plenty of time to move down the field even if the OPI was called and they have had little problem doing it much of the night. And good players get away with OPI. But it doesn't change that it was OPI.

 

[condon84]

Thank God you said that. Now I know I'm right.

Even with video evidence this dude denies what he sees

Brady loyalists really have the MAGA r3t@rd type devotion for their guy.

 

[Dingleberry]

Dak was the victim of bad drops by Lamb. Two of those drops led directly to touchdowns for Tampa. Both QBs had some bad luck last night, but I would give the edge statswise to Dak, who had a much higher completion percentage and QBR without Michael Gallup playing the whole game or Zach Martin. Brady, on the other hand, played with his full set of offensive players.

Dak Prescott

42/58

403

6.9

3

1

1-12

74.3

101.4

Tom Brady

32/50

379

7.6

4

2

0-0

65.3

97.0

Jeezus.

Both QB's were nearly flawless last night. Let me poke a few holes in your number obsession. You must have been a Peyton Manning nut juggler the prior 20 years with the arguments you are making.

Brady had all his weapons while Dak lost Gallup? Ok. Brady had to face a healthy Dallas D while Dak got to face a secondary missing 2 starters. We can do the missing player thing to death.

Much higher completion percentage? First, who gives a barrel of monkey spunk about completion percentage? But since you do, can we not admit that Brady purposely threw the ball out of bounds 3 times in a row to eat up the clock at the end of the game? And can we admit that a hail Mary is virtually a guaranteed incomplete or worse? I'll simply cancel out the Lamb drops with drops by Fournette and Evans. So Brady was legitimately 32 for 46 on throws intended to be completed. That's 70%. Dak was 72%. Jerk off over that much higher % if it makes you feel tingly.

Much higher QBR? Ya think the Fournette INT and the hail Mary INT just might be the difference in that 4 point "huge" QBR difference?

Best to be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Jeezus.

Both QB's were nearly flawless last night. Let me poke a few holes in your number obsession. You must have been a Peyton Manning nut juggler the prior 20 years with the arguments you are making.

Brady had all his weapons while Dak lost Gallup? Ok. Brady had to face a healthy Dallas D while Dak got to face a secondary missing 2 starters. We can do the missing player thing to death.

Much higher completion percentage? First, who gives a barrel of monkey spunk about completion percentage? But since you do, can we not admit that Brady purposely threw the ball out of bounds 3 times in a row to eat up the clock at the end of the game? And can we admit that a hail Mary is virtually a guaranteed incomplete or worse? I'll simply cancel out the Lamb drops with drops by Fournette and Evans. So Brady was legitimately 32 for 46 on throws intended to be completed. That's 70%. Dak was 72%. Jerk off over that much higher % if it makes you feel tingly.

Much higher QBR? Ya think the Fournette INT and the hail Mary INT just might be the difference in that 4 point "huge" QBR difference?

Best to be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

The Brown and Godwin drops on third downs (i think?) were huge as well. Brady and Dak were incredible.

 

[venecol]

 

[Deus Irae]

Even with video evidence this dude denies what he sees

Brady loyalists really have the MAGA r3t@rd type devotion for their guy.

You keep posting silly ****. You should stop that. Both players involved said there was no foul.

 

[Deus Irae]

No! Extending the arm while pushing off is always a penalty. If the defender remained upright and Godwin extended the arm while pushing off, it would still be OPI. If you watch the video, the defender didn't start to fall until AFTER Godwin extended the arm. So the alleged flop had nothing to do with the arm extension.

It was OPI. Wasn't the worst I have seen. I don't blame the outcome on it especially since the Bucs had plenty of time to move down the field even if the OPI was called and they have had little problem doing it much of the night. And good players get away with OPI. But it doesn't change that it was OPI.

YES!

You don't get to pick and choose how you apply relevancy with regards to which part of the play you choose to defend. That['s not how pass interference works. In this case, the defender had both arms around the receiver, preventing free movement. The receiver broke free, the defender flopped, and the officials considered it a non-call. As I have said before, I could understand either the non-call route or the offsetting penalties route, but the non-call was the better choice.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I’m thinking about buying tickets to the bucs game week 4

 

[Rob0729]

YES!

You don't get to pick and choose how you apply relevancy with regards to which part of the play you choose to defend. That['s not how pass interference works.

No the NFL does. And there is no rule for flopping. It is irrelevant. There is no rule in the playbook that requires a defender to fall to the ground for there to be OPI. And this isn't the NBA where there are specific rules against flopping.

Again, whether the defender flopped, fell to the ground if he was pushed, or stood upright had no bearing on the OPI. The fact that Godwin appears to push off and extend his arm doing so does because that is one of the ways how the NFL calls OPI and always has.

 

[condon84]

You keep posting silly ****. You should stop that. Both players involved said there was no foul.

NBC's ref in the booth said it was 100% OPI. Who should we believe?