N’Keal Harry Updates.

[Deus Irae]

That was ridiculous. And Cunningham over Dunlap was laughable.

How about Wynn over Ridley? Pats trade their #1 WR and did nothing with the pick to replace him. Ridley falls right into their laps, but pass on him.

That's a priority argument, though, as opposed to a talent selection issue. I get your point, but the priority argument is more difficult to make, because "Yeah, but ned/Yeah, but value/Yeah, but long term...." becomes a much more functional rebuttal.

 

[Patsgofor4]

That was ridiculous. And Cunningham over Dunlap was laughable.

How about Wynn over Ridley? Pats trade their #1 WR and did nothing with the pick to replace him. Ridley falls right into their laps, but pass on him.

When healthy Wynn is a much more valuable and impactful player than Ridley would have been and it’s not really that close, as good as Ridley has been thus far.

Wynn was absolutely the correct pick, as there was no way for the Pats to have predicted his injuries issues. When he has been on the field he has lived up to his round 1 slot, and the Pats expectations. The fact that they picked up his 5th year option says a lot about how they feel about him as a player. Now it’s up to Wynn to finally last a full season (Wynn with an assist from Lady Luck).

The Sony pick is a different story….

 

[RobertWeathers]

When healthy Wynn is a much more valuable and impactful player than Ridley would have been and it’s not really that close, as good as Ridley has been thus far.

Wynn was absolutely the correct pick, as there was no way for the Pats to have predicted his injuries issues. When he has been on the field he has lived up to his round 1 slot, and the Pats expectations. The fact that they picked up his 5th year option says a lot about how they feel about him as a player. Now it’s up to Wynn to finally last a full season (Wynn with an assist from Lady Luck).

The Sony pick is a different story….

Ironic how Sony has had more of a positive impact on the franchise than Wynn.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[203Pat]

 

[Tunescribe]

After all, after the first pick in the draft, everyone has fewer choices. In terms of hits and misses, slotting in the draft really only matters in the first round. Starting with pick 32, everyone has had the opportunity to pick from every available player

I've seen you use this argument before. It doesn't mitigate the fact that if you're picking at or near the end of every round, you're at a disadvantage vs. the competition re. available top talent.

 

[oldrover]

I've seen you make this argument before. It doesn't mitigate the fact that if you're picking at or near the end of every round, you're at a disadvantage vs. the competition re. available top talent.

Kinda like having your first round pick taken away. Not that we know anything about THAT.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Kinda like having your first round pick taken away. Not that we know anything about THAT.

they forgot to do that this year

 

[Pape]

they forgot to do that this year

they tried... tried real hard to snag that first... settled for a third

 

[PatsFanInVa]

they tried... tried real hard to snag that first... settled for a third

It's like you gloss over it at this point--every bs trumped up thing-everybody-does that's resulted in/contributed to draft hell...

Eh well, we're on to whatever TF happens THIS year...

I like that everybody thinks they did not eff up with Mac. I'm still assuming a year with a clipboard.

 

[‘Mondre]

Lmao some dude on chiefs planet:

“N’ko.”

 

[patfanken]

I'm not sure why as fans we go through the ritual of constantly second guessing draft picks with perfect 20-20 hindsight. I guess it makes the posters FEEL like they are smarter than Bill and Nick and the rest of the guys whose job it is to dig deep. We all have binkies we would have rather they have picked. We all have been outraged when they picked one position over another. But here's the thing. EVERY draft pick is a shot in the dark (some more than others of course). Time and time again we have seen even the highest draft picks fail for one reason or another. Just as we have seen low draft picks succeed well beyond expectations. EVERY fan base can go through this ritual because there is ALWAYS somebody better you could have chosen at that spot. Many more misses than hits for EVERY team.

All that being said Ryan Hannable wrote a post about Harry mirroring my belief about Harry staying with the team this year. He opines he may not be a starter, but he COULD be a valuable asset as a 3-5 guy, especially in short yardage situations and on the GL. But that wasn't the only thing he brought up. He talked about the possibility of a trade, where he properly noted that there wasn't any interest at the draft for him, and hey would be lucky to get a 7th for him now. But then he mentioned ONE trade possibility that caught my attention. Why not send him back to Arizona and a straight swap of disappointing WR's. We get Andy Isabella (a binky of mine in that draft) for Harry.

Isabella has the world class speed we all crave, but for some reason hasn't panned out as planned, though the flashes have been there. We both swap our disappointments and send N'Keal back to AZ while UMass grade Isabella comes home to MA. There a kind of perfect sympatry to that trade, don't you think?

 

[50-yard-line]

I'm not sure why as fans we go through the ritual of constantly second guessing draft picks with perfect 20-20 hindsight. I guess it makes the posters FEEL like they are smarter than Bill and Nick and the rest of the guys whose job it is to dig deep. We all have binkies we would have rather they have picked. We all have been outraged when they picked one position over another. But here's the thing. EVERY draft pick is a shot in the dark (some more than others of course). Time and time again we have seen even the highest draft picks fail for one reason or another. Just as we have seen low draft picks succeed well beyond expectations. EVERY fan base can go through this ritual because there is ALWAYS somebody better you could have chosen at that spot. Many more misses than hits for EVERY team.

All that being said Ryan Hannable wrote a post about Harry mirroring my belief about Harry staying with the team this year. He opines he may not be a starter, but he COULD be a valuable asset as a 3-5 guy, especially in short yardage situations and on the GL. But that wasn't the only thing he brought up. He talked about the possibility of a trade, where he properly noted that there wasn't any interest at the draft for him, and hey would be lucky to get a 7th for him now. But then he mentioned ONE trade possibility that caught my attention. Why not send him back to Arizona and a straight swap of disappointing WR's. We get Andy Isabella (a binky of mine in that draft) for Harry.

Isabella has the world class speed we all crave, but for some reason hasn't panned out as planned, though the flashes have been there. We both swap our disappointments and send N'Keal back to AZ while UMass grade Isabella comes home to MA. There a kind of perfect sympatry to that trade, don't you think?

Some here, Deus notably, has been calling for that for a long time.

It makes a lot of sense. Not sure it would be a straight swap, though, and the Pats might have to send a pick with Harry, believe it or not, because Harry is much more expensive than Isabella over the next two seasons.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I'm not sure why as fans we go through the ritual of constantly second guessing draft picks with perfect 20-20 hindsight. I guess it makes the posters FEEL like they are smarter than Bill and Nick and the rest of the guys whose job it is to dig deep.

EVERY draft pick is a shot in the dark (some more than others of course). Time and time again we have seen even the highest draft picks fail for one reason or another. Just as we have seen low draft picks succeed well beyond expectations. EVERY fan base can go through this ritual because there is ALWAYS somebody better you could have chosen at that spot. Many more misses than hits for EVERY team.

Unless the argument is about why Bill gets credit for building the dynasty by drafting Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Edelman, McCourty, Hightower, etc. Those are brilliant picks that other GMs wouldn’t have made. But how dare anyone take that same approach when discussing draft pick failures…in that case the draft is an unknowable crapshoot.

If Harry had been great, you’d be the first one praising the team and wouldn’t say anything about randomness or how every team is in the same boat.

There are numerous threads on this forum dating back to 2018 sounding the alarm on the god awful draft returns from 2013-17 and how those drafts were so barren that it‘s a stretch to explain it by luck alone. The honks scoffed at the idea. After 2018, there was more concern raised, and after 2019, more. The honks scoffed. The entire time people have cited extremely bad draft returns, even taking into account the draft position because the return was so anemic not just for the Patriots but compared to the league.

Posters like you just take the company line on everything. Everyone was always overreacting, spoiled…they’re so naive and reactionary to think they know more than Bill!

No one claimed they knew more than Bill. Like any fans, many have thought honest discussion was necessary and perhaps the Patriots scouting/personnel needed some accountability and change. No one expects every pick to be perfect or even every draft to be fruitful overall. That doesn’t dismiss abysmally low returns over many years.

Despite that few major contributors from their dynasty have actually retired, the team has gone from a perennial 12-4 squad to 7-9, and even after an NFL record offseason of free agency spending, are projected to be about .500 again and a long-shot to win the division

But by all means, continue to dismiss analysis, criticism, and concerns centered around the Patriots drafting and personnel choices.

 

[‘Mondre]

Unless the argument is about why Bill gets credit for building the dynasty by drafting Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Edelman, McCourty, Hightower, etc. Those are brilliant picks that other GMs wouldn’t have made. But how dare anyone take that same approach when discussing draft pick failures…in that case the draft is an unknowable crapshoot.

If Harry had been great, you’d be the first one praising the team and wouldn’t say anything about randomness or how every team is in the same boat.

There are numerous threads on this forum dating back to 2018 sounding the alarm on the god awful draft returns from 2013-17 and how those drafts were so barren that it‘s a stretch to explain it by luck alone. The honks scoffed at the idea. After 2018, there was more concern raised, and after 2019, more. The honks scoffed. The entire time people have cited extremely bad draft returns, even taking into account the draft position because the return was so anemic not just for the Patriots but compared to the league.

Posters like you just take the company line on everything. Everyone was always overreacting, spoiled…they’re so naive and reactionary to think they know more than Bill!

No one claimed they knew more than Bill. Like any fans, many have thought honest discussion was necessary and perhaps the Patriots scouting/personnel needed some accountability and change. No one expects every pick to be perfect or even every draft to be fruitful overall. That doesn’t dismiss abysmally low returns over many years.

Despite that few major contributors from their dynasty have actually retired, the team has gone from a perennial 12-4 squad to 7-9, and even after an NFL record offseason of free agency spending, are projected to be about .500 again and a long-shot to win the division

But by all means, continue to dismiss analysis, criticism, and concerns centered around the Patriots drafting and personnel choices.

Think it’s time to look at LB in draft.

 

[‘Mondre]

I'm not sure why as fans we go through the ritual of constantly second guessing draft picks with perfect 20-20 hindsight. I guess it makes the posters FEEL like they are smarter than Bill and Nick and the rest of the guys whose job it is to dig deep. We all have binkies we would have rather they have picked. We all have been outraged when they picked one position over another. But here's the thing. EVERY draft pick is a shot in the dark (some more than others of course). Time and time again we have seen even the highest draft picks fail for one reason or another. Just as we have seen low draft picks succeed well beyond expectations. EVERY fan base can go through this ritual because there is ALWAYS somebody better you could have chosen at that spot. Many more misses than hits for EVERY team.

All that being said Ryan Hannable wrote a post about Harry mirroring my belief about Harry staying with the team this year. He opines he may not be a starter, but he COULD be a valuable asset as a 3-5 guy, especially in short yardage situations and on the GL. But that wasn't the only thing he brought up. He talked about the possibility of a trade, where he properly noted that there wasn't any interest at the draft for him, and hey would be lucky to get a 7th for him now. But then he mentioned ONE trade possibility that caught my attention. Why not send him back to Arizona and a straight swap of disappointing WR's. We get Andy Isabella (a binky of mine in that draft) for Harry.

Isabella has the world class speed we all crave, but for some reason hasn't panned out as planned, though the flashes have been there. We both swap our disappointments and send N'Keal back to AZ while UMass grade Isabella comes home to MA. There a kind of perfect sympatry to that trade, don't you think?

Reeeeally wanted Reggie Bush on NE back in the day.

 

[50-yard-line]

Unless the argument is about why Bill gets credit for building the dynasty by drafting Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Edelman, McCourty, Hightower, etc. Those are brilliant picks that other GMs wouldn’t have made. But how dare anyone take that same approach when discussing draft pick failures…in that case the draft is an unknowable crapshoot.

If Harry had been great, you’d be the first one praising the team and wouldn’t say anything about randomness or how every team is in the same boat.

There are numerous threads on this forum dating back to 2018 sounding the alarm on the god awful draft returns from 2013-17 and how those drafts were so barren that it‘s a stretch to explain it by luck alone. The honks scoffed at the idea. After 2018, there was more concern raised, and after 2019, more. The honks scoffed. The entire time people have cited extremely bad draft returns, even taking into account the draft position because the return was so anemic not just for the Patriots but compared to the league.

Posters like you just take the company line on everything. Everyone was always overreacting, spoiled…they’re so naive and reactionary to think they know more than Bill!

No one claimed they knew more than Bill. Like any fans, many have thought honest discussion was necessary and perhaps the Patriots scouting/personnel needed some accountability and change. No one expects every pick to be perfect or even every draft to be fruitful overall. That doesn’t dismiss abysmally low returns over many years.

Despite that few major contributors from their dynasty have actually retired, the team has gone from a perennial 12-4 squad to 7-9, and even after an NFL record offseason of free agency spending, are projected to be about .500 again and a long-shot to win the division

But by all means, continue to dismiss analysis, criticism, and concerns centered around the Patriots drafting and personnel choices.

"Projected to be about .500 again"

Why? Because of 1, count 'em 1, position.

And really, "the honks"? The guy in question here is one of the best, and least offensive, posters on the forum, and you throw around a pejorative like that?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

"Projected to be about .500 again"

Why? Because of 1, count 'em 1, position.

And really, "the honks"? The guy in question here is one of the best, and least offensive, posters on the forum, and you throw around a pejorative like that?

You tell me why…I’m basing it off of Vegas/oddsmakers - not biased, homer takes and not biased hater takes.

It isn’t Brady. It isn’t the team’s drafting. What is the reason then?

It’s funny…if I say the team’s regression is due to Brady, I’m a Brady stan. If I say it’s due to drafting woes, I’m a Bill hater.

 

[jimnance]

Hey Mods!! N'Keal Harry currently has 3, count em, 3!!! threads going.
This is all out of proportion to his contributions to NEP.
Dude is a scrub.
For perspective, Gilmore, the best player on the team,has 1 !
Hightower another stud,has 1!
Tom Brady, the legend,has none!
Is it possible to merge these 3 threads?
It pisses me off to see such a useless primadonna, who has the gall to ask for a trade, to have 3 f'n threads dedicated to him.
For the sake of my blood pressure, please combine the threads. Y'all doin' helluva job. Thank you!

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Lmao some dude on chiefs planet:

“N’ko.”

M'kay