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You tell me why…I’m basing it off of Vegas/oddsmakers - not biased, homer takes and not biased hater takes.

It isn’t Brady. It isn’t the team’s drafting. What is the reason then?

It’s funny…if I say the team’s regression is due to Brady, I’m a Brady stan. If I say it’s due to drafting woes, I’m a Bill hater.
I just told you why. They've got a big ? at QB.

OL is top end
RB is deep and good
Receiving corps is way more than adequate, particularly adding in the TEs.
DL is much improved.
LB corps is rock solid
DB is elite
STs are best in the league
Coaching is elite+.

The ? at QB is the one thing holding them back, and it's a big thing, and it's something hard to fix via draft or FA. Other than that, NE fans would be expecting a deep playoff run, and with good reason. This is a very deep and talented football team.

It's really not that hard to figure out.
 
The Brady threads had to go because they weren't Patriots related, and we had to have room in the main forum for threads on Aaron Rodgers, Barkevious Mingo, the Jets, Euro soccer, Frank Clark, the Cowboys, the NBA thread, and all other sorts of directly on point Patriots topics like those.
Don't forget the Cookies please

 
The Brady threads had to go because they weren't Patriots related, and we had to have room in the main forum for threads on Aaron Rodgers, Barkevious Mingo, the Jets, Euro soccer, Frank Clark, the Cowboys, the NBA thread, and all other sorts of directly on point Patriots topics like those.
Honestly they should have just kept the one Tampa/Brady megathread. It's so dumb that we need a whole Tom Brady section when the vast majority of the posting is in that one thread and people were being pretty good about keeping Brady related stuff in there once it was made. Always was the most sensible solution.
 
I live a few miles as the crow flies from THIS....my doctor has a "shoot on sight" directive posted at the entrance to the Nordic Lodge...




How did that "shot on sight" directive work out since you have multiple photos on your phone?
 
How did that "shot on sight" directive work out since you have multiple photos on your phone?
uh..there's this new fangled thing called the "world wide web" with links to PICTURES on it? My phone is pristine...and of course I would NEVER do anything my doctor advised me not to...yup, just call me "Honest Joe" Kerr after my famous great great grandfather Abraham Linkerr...
 
Unless the argument is about why Bill gets credit for building the dynasty by drafting Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Edelman, McCourty, Hightower, etc. Those are brilliant picks that other GMs wouldn’t have made. But how dare anyone take that same approach when discussing draft pick failures…in that case the draft is an unknowable crapshoot.

If Harry had been great, you’d be the first one praising the team and wouldn’t say anything about randomness or how every team is in the same boat.

There are numerous threads on this forum dating back to 2018 sounding the alarm on the god awful draft returns from 2013-17 and how those drafts were so barren that it‘s a stretch to explain it by luck alone. The honks scoffed at the idea. After 2018, there was more concern raised, and after 2019, more. The honks scoffed. The entire time people have cited extremely bad draft returns, even taking into account the draft position because the return was so anemic not just for the Patriots but compared to the league.

Posters like you just take the company line on everything. Everyone was always overreacting, spoiled…they’re so naive and reactionary to think they know more than Bill!

No one claimed they knew more than Bill. Like any fans, many have thought honest discussion was necessary and perhaps the Patriots scouting/personnel needed some accountability and change. No one expects every pick to be perfect or even every draft to be fruitful overall. That doesn’t dismiss abysmally low returns over many years.

Despite that few major contributors from their dynasty have actually retired, the team has gone from a perennial 12-4 squad to 7-9, and even after an NFL record offseason of free agency spending, are projected to be about .500 again and a long-shot to win the division

But by all means, continue to dismiss analysis, criticism, and concerns centered around the Patriots drafting and personnel choices.
You tell me why…I’m basing it off of Vegas/oddsmakers - not biased, homer takes and not biased hater takes.

It isn’t Brady. It isn’t the team’s drafting. What is the reason then?

It’s funny…if I say the team’s regression is due to Brady, I’m a Brady stan. If I say it’s due to drafting woes, I’m a Bill hater.
Couldn't have said it any better myself. What is the point of a Patriots forum if we are all supposed to sit here praising Bill all day and diminishing anyone who no longer wears a Patriots uniform? The notion that we as fans owe something to the team is ludicrous and actually backwards.
 
I'm not sure why as fans we go through the ritual of constantly second guessing draft picks with perfect 20-20 hindsight.
The draft is such an enormous part of team building - having a successful franchise. Most fans are at least curious as they should be. Then consider how popular college football is it's no surprise why fans are passionate about the process.

The problem a lot have, I'm assuming you as here. Is the hindsight. That can get annoying but there's ways to swerve through the traffic. If someone isn't on record at the time, ignore them. This is hard but just call their bluff and ask for receipts, almost no one has them.

It's good to hold people accountable though. The draft is a critical part of the puzzle. You can turn around quick, get the biggest position cheap and keep the youth coming. It's a young man's game and every needs the depth.

I guess it makes the posters FEEL like they are smarter than Bill and Nick and the rest of the guys whose job it is to dig deep. We all have binkies we would have rather they have picked. We all have been outraged when they picked one position over another. But here's the thing. EVERY draft pick is a shot in the dark (some more than others of course). Time and time again we have seen even the highest draft picks fail for one reason or another. Just as we have seen low draft picks succeed well beyond expectations. EVERY fan base can go through this ritual because there is ALWAYS somebody better you could have chosen at that spot. Many more misses than hits for EVERY team.
Again as they should. Believe it or not there are teams like the Bengals that poor almost no resources into the draft and have like 2 scouts. Teams like the Raiders. Mayock was a "draft guy", Gruden is a lifer and both have been awful at drafting prospects.

Again it can become annoying listening to a lot of posters but there as also plenty that are willing to have an honest discussion about it.
All that being said Ryan Hannable wrote a post about Harry mirroring my belief about Harry staying with the team this year. He opines he may not be a starter, but he COULD be a valuable asset as a 3-5 guy, especially in short yardage situations and on the GL. But that wasn't the only thing he brought up. He talked about the possibility of a trade, where he properly noted that there wasn't any interest at the draft for him, and hey would be lucky to get a 7th for him now. But then he mentioned ONE trade possibility that caught my attention. Why not send him back to Arizona and a straight swap of disappointing WR's. We get Andy Isabella (a binky of mine in that draft) for Harry.

Isabella has the world class speed we all crave, but for some reason hasn't panned out as planned, though the flashes have been there. We both swap our disappointments and send N'Keal back to AZ while UMass grade Isabella comes home to MA. There a kind of perfect sympatry to that trade, don't you think?
This was all about you're binky Andy

I just don't want him to become a distraction. And I'm confident no matter what happens Bill won't let that happen. Henry, Smith, NA, KB, Meyers, I'd even throw Asiasi in there as well. Never mind White in terms of overall targets going around. Unless we see a dramatic 180 I'm not sure the targets will be there.
 
My point was that choosing WRs at the low end of high rounds, in the very years the WRs were chosen, didn't mean that there wasn't talent to choose. It was bad WR choosing, not a lack of available talent or the choosing of another position, that was the problem.

Completely agree. The "they always pick at the end of each round" excuse is just that, an excuse...or worse, a lie.

Bill doesn't know which WRs to choose, or when to choose them.
 

A few days later and I still can't get over how cringey this is. Catching balls from a juggs machine then screaming like an idiot pretending to be pumped up. I think this kid has some self esteem issues.
 
A few days later and I still can't get over how cringey this is. Catching balls from a juggs machine then screaming like an idiot pretending to be pumped up. I think this kid has some self esteem issues.
At first glance I thought it was for the cameras, maybe a commercial or something but he's 100% serious. Agreed, he definitely has a few issues. Heard about maturity stuff at ASU, they might have babied him on and off the field but this screams of real insecurity to me? Like you're in a gym with sneaks and shorts on bro. Not scoring 6 in Met-Life.
 
At first glance I thought it was for the cameras, maybe a commercial or something but he's 100% serious. Agreed, he definitely has a few issues. Heard about maturity stuff at ASU, they might have babied him on and off the field but this screams of real insecurity to me? Like you're in a gym with sneaks and shorts on bro. Not scoring 6 in Met-Life.
I’m also struggling to see how that helps with the flaws in his game. There are many of them, but his hands haven’t ever really been one of them. Work on your cuts, using your body to create separation at the break point, explosiveness, and releasing from press. He’s more worried about his social media personality than he is improving as a football player.
 
At first glance I thought it was for the cameras, maybe a commercial or something but he's 100% serious. Agreed, he definitely has a few issues. Heard about maturity stuff at ASU, they might have babied him on and off the field but this screams of real insecurity to me? Like you're in a gym with sneaks and shorts on bro. Not scoring 6 in Met-Life.
Just reeks of false bravado and overcompensation. I am still confused as to how this kid allegedly aced his interviews when he just seems to be so scattered mentally. He is one of those guys that I wonder if he had a Julian Edelman "work hard, grind it out" type mentality how much better he would be. He just comes across as insecure and immature and always pointing the blame elsewhere.
 
I’m also struggling to see how that helps with the flaws in his game. There are many of them, but his hands haven’t ever really been one of them. Work on your cuts, using your body to create separation at the break point, explosiveness, and releasing from press. He’s more worried about his social media personality than he is improving as a football player.
I've stuck up for him plenty. Forget everything else, I haven't see any real improvement for him you can point to. Forget coaches, injuries etc, he really looks the same as he did when he came into the league.
 
A few days later and I still can't get over how cringey this is. Catching balls from a juggs machine then screaming like an idiot pretending to be pumped up. I think this kid has some self esteem issues.
Yes, that is embarrassing.

they might have babied him on and off the field
He’s the most babied Patriot I’ve ever seen.
 
O yea guys...

AB settled. Could’ve kept him.

bUt He WaS a CrImInAL
The defense from Team Bill was that he was being suspended anyways.

We all know he was let go due to Kraft already dealing with his own lady issues.
 
The defense from Team Bill was that he was being suspended anyways.

We all know he was let go due to Kraft already dealing with his own lady issues.
man plz this board* ate him up.

“he can die of syphilis”, one said
 
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