- Joined
- Jul 31, 2013
- Messages
- 3,911
- Reaction score
- 2,824
Registered Members experience this forum ad and noise-free.
CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Or Cam’s.....
Maybe I am letting that Chiefs game skew my perception of Hoyer but he made Cam look like Patrick Mahomes with that performance. As for Cam I think the only way he isn't around is if Mac blows him away in camp but even if that happens I would still want a more capable backup than Hoyer. Hoyer's only redeeming quality in all this is he knows the system and has been around forever which makes me wish he would just retire and come in as a coach but one would think he is making much more money this way so good for him.Well, for one thing, he's better than you think. For another, he's familiar with the system and can help Jones. For another, if Jones is ahead of where the Patriots thought he'd be, it's at least theoretically possible that Cam is not long for the team.
I don't want it to have any bearing on Stidham either.Ultimately, this is a camp body signing and has no bearing on Newton/Jones.
Stidham is in no man's land at this point. They clearly don't see him as a starter and it doesn't seem like they think he will help Mac much in the QB room either. Unless he makes some sort of drastic jump I can't see him on the roster if Hoyer is actually in the mix.My theory behind the move as it has multiple potential outcomes
Hoyer knows THE offense better than any of the QBs in the room and can help/mentor all 3 QBs as the team does not have a QB coach. Bill and JMD see a ton of value in that
If Mac wins the job, Cam will bolt. That means BB will keep Stid and Hoyer.
If Cam wins the job, Mac is #2 and Stid will be cut thus Hoyer becomes the mentor for Mac
If Hoyer is cut and the 3 others stay, he may retire and stay on as an offensive assistant to mentor Mac and maybe Stid, hell maybe Cam as well.
They also could decide to cut Stid and Hoyer and bring in a better backup QB to slot into #2 in 2022 when Mac becomes #1. Hoyer may stay on as an assistant coach
That’s highly debatable when it comes to Stidham.
Pats always have 4 QB’s in camp, last year it was Brian Lewenke or whatever his name was. There’s no better QB available for this particular team and offense. I don’t get all the handwringing...
That was the hardest to watch as a Patriot fan.I have no problem with Hoyer as a Camp Arm Period...I would've kept Dolegala too; other teams with 90-man off-season rosters have 5 QBs on them...
I just don't want to seem him here in a regular-season game...Ever. Again.
That’s not saying much. An improvement for Stidham would be one INT in a losing effort.Stidham at least has time to possibly - though not very likely - improve...
Well, for one thing, he's better than you think. For another, he's familiar with the system and can help Jones. For another, if Jones is ahead of where the Patriots thought he'd be, it's at least theoretically possible that Cam is not long for the team.
Maybe I am letting that Chiefs game skew my perception of Hoyer but he made Cam look like Patrick Mahomes with that performance.
As for Cam I think the only way he isn't around is if Mac blows him away in camp but even if that happens I would still want a more capable backup than Hoyer. Hoyer's only redeeming quality in all this is he knows the system and has been around forever which makes me wish he would just retire and come in as a coach but one would think he is making much more money this way so good for him.
Yep & that 2016 playoff game vs KC. Woof..I know I've said this before, but every time I think of Hoyer now, I go back to that KC game where he made those huge mental mistakes.
What? We are not talking about some walk-on. We are talking about a QB who has been with us the second longest behind Brady over the past 20 years. He is not getting cut from the final 53.
But we already had 3 QBs. There isn't that many reps to begin with for 3 QBs much less 4.
Oh man, Mac10 starting by game 4 would be just about the juciest headline matchup the media could ever ask for.
Stidham is an accurate passer, his problem is happy feet. He dances like a cat on a live wire when pressure is on. Last year in a blowout and to start the Chiefs game he looked comfortable and made the throws, then he felt the slightest bit of pressure and threw to the wrong team.Stidham at least has time to possibly - though not very likely - improve...
That is an interesting take. But I do think Hoyer will work well with Mac Jones. There can't be a better teacher. Hoyer knows what he is and there will not be any competition between the two.Hoyer to train Max Jones. Cheap way to prevent the Jets from getting the Pats playbook.
Stidham is in no man's land at this point. They clearly don't see him as a starter and it doesn't seem like they think he will help Mac much in the QB room either. Unless he makes some sort of drastic jump I can't see him on the roster if Hoyer is actually in the mix.
The thing with Cam is we were told all year how great he was in the locker room and what a leader he was. Did all that go out the window when they took Mac or do they not think Cam is capable of mentoring Mac the way they would like? At this point we have three crappy QB's and a rookie. Like I said in my other post I hope that Hoyer will come in as a coach and not take up a roster spot.
Yep. Cats and Cucumbers. Thats Stidham.Stidham is an accurate passer, his problem is happy feet. He dances like a cat on a live wire when pressure is on. Last year in a blowout and to start the Chiefs game he looked comfortable and made the throws, then he felt the slightest bit of pressure and threw to the wrong team.
One day he may wake up and lose his yips but the team won’t wait for him. He only has another year deal left on his rookie deal after this one and hasn’t earned an extension, so his revival may come elsewhere.