Patriots place 2nd Round Tender on JC Jackson

[RobertWeathers]

I can see the Patriots not being as high as us fans about JC Jackson.

Agree. I think they like him but don't LOVE him.

If he destroyed #1WRs then the narrative is different.

 

[nextsuperstar]

It really is a win/win move in my opinion.

Either someone else negotiates the contract for you and that contract will be below market value given that they have to give away a second round pick as well. And if it ends up too rich for us we will get back better compensation than a potential third round comp pick in 2 years.

All this while saving a million.

win-win-win. Jackson probably prefers a second round tender too. Butler lost out on a big contract from the Saints because of the first round tender attached to him.

 

[mgteich]

JC is not a $13m/yr player.

But he is a $5M player, and IMO he should have been tendered at the $4.7M. Is Belichick really saying that he'd prefer the 2nd to having Jackson?

It really is a win/win move in my opinion.

Either someone else negotiates the contract for you and that contract will be below market value given that they have to give away a second round pick as well. And if it ends up too rich for us we will get back better compensation than a potential third round comp pick in 2 years.

All this while saving a million.

We could have a starting corner for $4.7M. We're daring anyone to pay him more than we will. OK, let's say Bill is right and no one will sign him to an acceptable (to him) market contract. Then, yeah, congrats, the pats saved $1M on a starting corner, and just BTW, I suspect that jackson will understand that this is a business after the $1M haircut, and will play elsewhere in 2022.

 

[mgteich]

win-win-win. Jackson probably prefers a second round tender too. Butler lost out on a big contract from the Saints because of the first round tender attached to him.

Jackson will either get a market contract (big win for him since Belichick could have stopped that for another $1M). Otherwise, Jackson is a free agent after being paid 2nd round tender for a year. And Jackson will take the injury risk and lose $1M.

Perhaps, this is win for jackson. Most likely it is a $1M haircut on a player in his last year as a patriot.

I HOPE THAT I AM VERY WRONG.

 

[TomPatriot]

Imagine Bill getting a second round pick out of him after getting him as an UDFA 3 years ago .. chess vs. checkers

With an assist from Pellegrino.

 

[borisman]

I want BB to trade 2022 1st rounder. That draft is gonna suck

 

[mgteich]

I want BB to trade 2022 1st rounder. That draft is gonna suck

The 2022 1st is potential ammunition to move up for a QB.

 

[luuked]

We could have a starting corner for $4.7M. We're daring anyone to pay him more than we will. OK, let's say Bill is right and no one will sign him to an acceptable (to him) market contract. Then, yeah, congrats, the pats saved $1M on a starting corner, and just BTW, I suspect that jackson will understand that this is a business after the $1M haircut, and will play elsewhere in 2022.

He will get paid top end money next year either way. The Pats paying him 4M or 3M this year is irrelevant with respect to that.

This is the best way of maybe getting something long term done. If nobody signs him to an offer sheet he will most likely be gone next year and at best we might get a third round comp pick back in two years. Maybe.

There is also no real risk involved since they have the opportunity to match. Whether JCJ plays for the Pats or not this year is entirely under BBs control.

 

[RobertWeathers]

But he is a $5M player, and IMO he should have been tendered at the $4.7M. Is Belichick really saying that he'd prefer the 2nd to having Jackson?

We could have a starting corner for $4.7M. We're daring anyone to pay him more than we will. OK, let's say Bill is right and no one will sign him to an acceptable (to him) market contract. Then, yeah, congrats, the pats saved $1M on a starting corner, and just BTW, I suspect that jackson will understand that this is a business after the $1M haircut, and will play elsewhere in 2022.

So you think BB is being a penny-wise and pound- foolish?

 

[Lansdowne]

He will get paid top end money next year either way. The Pats paying him 4M or 3M this year is irrelevant with respect to that.

This is the best way of maybe getting something long term done. If nobody signs him to an offer sheet he will most likely be gone next year and at best we might get a third round comp pick back in two years. Maybe.

There is also no real risk involved since they have the opportunity to match. Whether JCJ plays for the Pats or not this year is entirely under BBs control.

Agreed. BB wants to gauge JCJ’s market, and he can’t do that with a first round tender since no team is going to want to give up a first for him. Now with a second round tender, teams may be a little more empowered to try seeing what JCJ would take but losing their second round pick will be baked in to their proposal.

It’s doubtful any team is going to pay JCJ top of the market CB money AND give up a second round pick on top of it for the privilege, but they may try something a little more team friendly. Maybe instead of the $13-14m per year range, he gets offered $8-10m per year range (I don’t know what the market actually is, just throwing numbers out there). From there BB will get an idea where JCJ values himself, whether he takes another team’s offer or turns it down and plays this season on the tender.

It’s an opportunity for BB to get free intel on where JCJ’s market is looking while having the potential to match an extension he finds to be fair. And if another team does blow JCJ away with an offer, it’s a second round pick versus losing him for nothing next offseason. It’s a win-win.

 

[borisman]

The 2022 1st is potential ammunition to move up for a QB.

I definitely think it's in play in this draft. If we don't move up in the draft maybe we can get Jax's pick in the second, for our 2022 1st + a swap of picks next year or this year. Jax will still have drafted 2 players by then and still have the 14th pick in the second round. Jax drafted 12 players last year. That's a lot of youth. That could make the 33rd pick available while picking up another 1st rounder in'22.
Anyone else think this is possible or am I out of my mind. Bill never does this with 1st rounders.

 

[upstater1]

CBs don't grow on trees.

 

[jah]

I think the crux of my disagreement with those who think it was smart to go with the 2nd round tender over the 1st is that others seem to believe letting Jackson gauge the market would somehow decrease his asking price. Why would that be the case?

For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is the case. How much money are we talking about having saved by letting other teams set the market? A couple million per year? Does that really justify the risk of someone throwing much more money at Jackson than we would consider it rational to pay him? In that scenario, I want the 1st, not the 2nd. He's worth much more than a 2nd, even if his ceiling is #2 corner.

 

[luuked]

I think the crux of my disagreement with those who think it was smart to go with the 2nd round tender over the 1st is that others seem to believe letting Jackson gauge the market would somehow decrease his asking price. Why would that be the case?

Because the team needs to not only pay him but also give up a second round pick.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is the case. How much money are we talking about having saved by letting other teams set the market? A couple million per year? Does that really justify the risk of someone throwing much more money at Jackson than we would consider it rational to pay him? In that scenario, I want the 1st, not the 2nd. He's worth much more than a 2nd, even if his ceiling is #2 corner.

What risk ? You do know that the Pats can just match whatever deal JCJ potentially signs and keep him, right ?

Nobody would sniff around if you tender him at 1st round level. It is bait.

I think what you are missing is that this is BB telegraphing that they might actually not be able to sign him if he hits FA next year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think the crux of my disagreement with those who think it was smart to go with the 2nd round tender over the 1st is that others seem to believe letting Jackson gauge the market would somehow decrease his asking price. Why would that be the case?

For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is the case. How much money are we talking about having saved by letting other teams set the market? A couple million per year? Does that really justify the risk of someone throwing much more money at Jackson than we would consider it rational to pay him? In that scenario, I want the 1st, not the 2nd. He's worth much more than a 2nd, even if his ceiling is #2 corner.

Who cares what his asking price is. The market sets that.

Jackson and Grifin just got 3/40. Pats may not want to do that. Clearly JC wants that so they are giving him rope to find his market.

If some team comes along and offers a 2nd rounder the NEP will either match it or let him walk.

What we don't know is the nature of the conversations b/t/w BB and JC with regard to an extension. Maybe they are far apart. Maybe they are close but hung up on year 1 money.

I see nothing wrong with their approach.

 

[mgteich]

So you think BB is being a penny-wise and pound- foolish?

yes.

At best, he is allowing another team to determine the structure of the long-term contract with Jackson.

At worst, he is being hardnosed and saving a million, because he can. In that case, I really can't see jackson giving us preference in free agency next year.

 

[ashley]

Imagine Bill getting a second round pick out of him after getting him as an UDFA 3 years ago .. chess vs. checkers

More times than not he is going to be right, especially about his own players...he's a man playing against boys!! lol

 

[RobertWeathers]

yes.

At best, he is allowing another team to determine the structure of the long-term contract with Jackson.

At worst, he is being hardnosed and saving a million, because he can. In that case, I really can't see jackson giving us preference in free agency next year.

Do we really think a team out there will give JC $16m and $13.5m in 2021 money?

Thats what Griffin and Jackson got.

 

[luuked]

At worst, he is being hardnosed and saving a million, because he can. In that case, I really can't see jackson giving us preference in free agency next year.

Lets try again. Why would you think JCJ would give the Pats any preference even if he was given the first round tender ? It is a business.. he will not say no to more money just because the Pats did him a solid a year ago.