Player Signing Cam newton resigned 1 year deal

[Deus Irae]

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To repeat, since you didn't bother to actually address my post or offer anything even remotely relevant to the issue:


Your claim was that Cam has his head in the clouds for a month, despite his being asymptomatic. Now, besides those two things being mutually exclusive, I still took your position seriously enough to actually look at the next 5 games (since "a month" is not necessarily meant to be exactly a month). And, AGAIN:

Cam went 2-3 after the illness, not 0-5, and that was part of a 4-4 post-illness stretch. Furthermore, he played 12 games after the illness, not just 3 or 4, and it was the 1-3 record down the stretch that doomed the team. Care to try finding something other than the coronavirus to pin his struggles on? Or are you going to claim that he have a covid cloud relapse over the final 4 games of the season?

 

[Ross12]

Cam newton has a $5million base salary and people acting like they just gave him $30million.

If bill gets one of the top 5 QBs in the draft and has a solid free agency I doubt anyone is going to care if cam newton is back for 1 year. Now if we don't draft any QB or make other moves I will get nervous

Heard Bedard on the radio today and he said this is just insurance. These guys like minshew, Jimmy G, trubisky may never become available. And Patriots didn't want to be stuck holding the bag trying to convince receivers that stidham will be throwing to them.

Trubisky is a free agent, but I get your overall point. Could be.

 

[Ollie]

To repeat, since you didn't bother to actually address my post or offer anything even remotely relevant to the issue:


Your claim was that Cam has his head in the clouds for a month, despite his being asymptomatic. Now, besides those two things being mutually exclusive, I still took your position seriously enough to actually look at the next 5 games (since "a month" is not necessarily meant to be exactly a month). And, AGAIN:

Cam went 2-3 after the illness, not 0-5, and that was part of a 4-4 post-illness stretch. Furthermore, he played 12 games after the illness, not just 3 or 4, and it was the 1-3 record down the stretch that doomed the team. Care to try finding something other than the coronavirus to pin his struggles on? Or are you going to claim that he have a covid cloud relapse over the final 4 games of the season?

Firstly statistically he struggled immediately after covid. Just having to stop training when he had had no preseason and had a new scheme to learn will obviously hinder him. Cam may have said he was asymptomatic but it's possible he was either downplaying the symptoms or they may have been very mild. it is common to just experience minor fatigue that you might not even recognise a s symptom and this can take weeks to improve. I have seen this many times, people say they are asymptomatic if they aren't in bed coughing and spluttering for a week but they may still be experiencing effects from the virus. I don't think anyone is saying he didn't have other dips in form but to say that dip absolutely wasn't due to covid isn't possible even if it was just the fact that he wasn't able to practice after only being with the team a short time that would have had an impact, What is clear is that his form took an immediate dip after the covid break after a promising start.

 

[Biffins]

7-9 missing Hightower, Chung, Cannon and Cam having covid fog for a month, plus we have top3 in free cap space coming up, I think there's decent hope we could hit 10 wins....

With Cam ?? Are you serious?

 

[Biffins]

How much are you expecting from the opt outs? Having Hightower back should certainly help. Bolden, LaCosse, Vitale, and Toran don't move the needle (or even necessarily make the team). Cannon many people expect to be cut if he doesn't retire. Not sure how much Chung has left in him at age 34 and Phillips performed fine anyway.

this whole people from opt-out returning making us a super team is a bad joke. It’s not like they are replacing empty slots.

 

[Mack Herron]

Newton will earn $5.1 million if he's healthy and on the roster as a backup, with upside to $6.6 million if he starts all season and $8.6 million if he starts and the team makes the playoffs. The rest of the money he can earn, up to a total of $13.6 million, is based on honors and how far New England might advance in the playoffs. So this isn't the Patriots saying, "Cam is definitely our guy" as much as it's "We wanted someone in place before the start of free agency; we assessed all the free-agent options; and the idea of trying to build on 2020 with Cam -- at a modest financial price -- is the best choice right now based on the alternatives."

Cam Newton's contract shows Patriots are not promising him starting job

The incentive-laden deal gives New England insurance entering free agency but won't prevent the team from making a major move for another QB.

www.espn.com

 

[amfootball]

Cam Newton's contract shows Patriots are not promising him starting job

The incentive-laden deal gives New England insurance entering free agency but won't prevent the team from making a major move for another QB.

www.espn.com

This notion that Cam was not promised anything is asisine. They brought him back for more money. Bill gushes about him everytime a mic is in his face. We are not signing another FA Qb or trading. It's Cam and whoever we draft.

 

[RIpats88]

This notion that Cam was not promised anything is asisine. They brought him back for more money. Bill gushes about him everytime a mic is in his face. We are not signing another FA Qb or trading. It's Cam and whoever we draft.

I mean, it's hard for me to picture the Patriots signig say trubisky or alex smith next week when they just signed cam newton. But it's possible. Bill doesn't promise players anything except they can compete for a starting job.

I think it's Jimmy G or Cam and a rookie. They called the niners before this signing and they said he's not currently available.

Maybe he ends up being available and cam is a backup and they carry 3 guys. Or maybe he doesn't become available and cam is your starter this year.

 

[archstanton543]

1. no preseason games
2. not signed until July
3. No training camp
4. COVID19
5. No WRs
6. No TE's
7, First year in Patriots system


He will be much better next year....period

Or, conversely, he could be worse. You don't know. Stop making excuses for Cam.

 

[1960Pats]

Thought we determined this but if you missed this here's the summary.

BB decided that he wanted to win a Championship without Brady to cement his legacy, so he kicked Brady to the curb even when Brady was willing to sign a very cheap 2 yr $50m contract for a QB with MVP skills. Instead it's Brady who's won one without BB and cemented his. Now BB is doubly under pressure and looks a fool, and has gone scatter-brained and making stupid decisions.

If BB wanted to cement his legacy without Brady he would have had a QB in mind to replace him. The way this has played out leads me to believe that BB thought that Brady was coming back and was caught off-guard when he left.

 

[1960Pats]

Covid Fog? Is that what they call it when they're asymptomatic? Seems like an odd pairing.

The excuse making for Cant is one of the more bothersome reactions to his putrid performance. These are probably the same fans who pissed on Brady for leading a more injured offense to 12-4 in 2019.

 

[RIpats88]

If BB wanted to cement his legacy without Brady he would have had a QB in mind to replace him. The way this has played out leads me to believe that BB thought that Brady was coming back and was caught off-guard when he left.

Oh, I think thats definitely how it played out. Bill thought brady would play ball and take his crap deal again. When he didn't, bill was left holding the bag.

 

[Salsalife]

I can understand this approach given he "knows" the playbook rather than a newbie , however I also hope that this means the team has either a high pick or trade in the pipeline.

I would say he is our 1st game starter. No Rookie is going to start for Bill. My question is in Bill we trust over? How many years do we need to see here to evaluate. His last 2 drafts where awful. I don't get it.

 

[archstanton543]

His last 2 drafts where awful. I don't get it.

The bad drafting goes back at least 4 years.

 

[RIpats88]

So, can Cam Newton help us get Curtis Samuel? He looks like hes going to end up being a stud. and he had a good connection with Cam in Carolina.

If the patriots can nab him, having cam for a year might just be worth it.

 

[Ollie]

Or, conversely, he could be worse. You don't know. Stop making excuses for Cam.

I think its just showing that potentially all of those circumstances will hopefully be improved so it would be reasonable to assume he will be better. It's hardly making excuses for him that was the reality of the circumstances of his first year. No preseason and then getting corona virus meaning missing practice in the first few weeks of a season has to have an impact of you were signed in July. I'm not saying he would have been great in better circumstances but it's reasonable to assume he would be at least marginally improved.

 

[archstanton543]

I think its just showing that potentially all of those circumstances will hopefully be improved so it would be reasonable to assume he will be better. It's hardly making excuses for him that was the reality of the circumstances of his first year. No preseason and then getting corona virus meaning missing practice in the first few weeks of a season has to have an impact of you were signed in July.

I don't get this excuse. Shouldn't he have been getting better and better each week? Sure, he didn't have training camp but the team does practice on the days they don't play games during the season, correct? If you want to say, at the beginning of the season that things were rough because of no training camp, sure, I can see that but by, say, Week 10, the players should have some kind of rapport. If Cam was great and it was just his supporting cast, he wouldn't be getting balls tipped at the line with regularity or chucking balls into the dirt five yards in front of guys.

He's not good. This trend will continue next season.

 

[RIpats88]

I don't get this excuse. Shouldn't he have been getting better and better each week? Sure, he didn't have training camp but the team does practice on the days they don't play games during the season, correct? If you want to say, at the beginning of the season that things were rough because of no training camp, sure, I can see that but by, say, Week 10, the players should have some kind of rapport. If Cam was great and it was just his supporting cast, he wouldn't be getting balls tipped at the line with regularity or chucking balls into the dirt five yards in front of guys.

He's not good. This trend will continue next season.

I think the thought by alot of posters is that there is no way Bill would bring Cam Newton back unless he thought that the talent and circumstances around cam played a large factor in his performance. Bill could get so many guys who can at least throw the ball better than cam did last year to be a "bridge guy". Jameous Winston, Alex Smith, Trubisky, fitzpatrick, mariota. All should be relatively cheap and should have a better arm than Cam, but he stuck with cam newton. Thats the big mystery. So, is Bill delusional? or is Cam Newton more a product of what was around him last year? If those above guys all have better statistical seasons than Cam newton, then Bill will have some questions to answer as to why he didn't go after them and instead went with Cam.

Because while the Patriots conceivably could still trade for Jimmy G. I don't think any of the above guys will be clamoring to sign with the patriots and "compete" to start with cam newton when they can sign with washington etc. and be guaranteed a starting job.

 

[jdlboot14]

So disappointed about this. Not because I mind if Cam replaces Hoyer as the resident mentor, but because I don't think they'll have Cam on the bench while a new / rookie QB plays... which means we'll be relegated to another season of inept QB play - while blaming all the "weapons" around him and handicapping any real development of guys like Meyers and Asiasi. On the flip side, IF Jimmy G gets released, or a surprise draft trade emerges, would they really want Cam as a sulking backup for >$6m, who could potentially be the source of a split locker room, since most of the team loves him as a guy. I just wanted a clean slate, a fresh start!

 

[Triumph]

This notion that Cam was not promised anything is asisine. They brought him back for more money. Bill gushes about him everytime a mic is in his face. We are not signing another FA Qb or trading. It's Cam and whoever we draft.

Exactly

A 2021 drafted QB is not going to step in this year and start unless the season goes south. Talk about a mountain to climb not only learning the NE playbook, but also becoming acclimated to the NFL game. Cam is not the guy who will sit quietly on the bench when hes physically able to play.