PATRIOTS NEWS Belichick criticism mega-thread

[patsfanfromoversea]

So, Brady's been the LOAT, Luckiest of all time?

Didn't realize Rob Parker's had an acct here since 2006. That's a lot of dedication from a hater. Lol

funny

 

[RobertWeathers]

Another point about Drew is how well he handled losing his job. I'm sure he wasn't happy with it but he handled it with class. If not he could have split the locker room in two.

Since PEDton has snuck into this conversation somehow, let's think about how he would have handled things if he was in Drew's shoes in that situation. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have handled it anywhere near as well as Drew. He probably would have started a revolt.

I was a Drew supporter until the latter 1/2 of the 1999 season. I wrote off the 2000 season but he lost me after that Jets game in 01 because he was absolutely awful and I was convinced we were done with him at QB. Coulda been Brady. Coulda been Huard. I didn't care at that point I was so down on him. I'm grateful Drew took the high road. Nothing but good things to say about him.

Pay-me-a-ton would have went nuclear. No question.

 

[venecol]

You don't know what platitudes are.

The cult of Brady is insane. The Patriots defense in the second half of 2001 and in 2003 weren't the best in the NFL because of the defensive players or defensive coaching staff. It was because Tom Brady was so inspirational that he made them play better than their abilities.
Too bad leprosy is pretty much cured because I think Brady could cure people with that disease.

This is what a 32 yo man that actually played with Brady said about him, just the other day.

“He’s the only player that I’ve ever been around that, when he speaks, when he talks, I believe him,” McCoy said, via MassLive.com. “He could tell me, ‘Shady, go walk on that water. You won’t drown.’ I’m going to be like, ‘OK.’ He has that type of thing about him. And the way he works. When I was younger, I wish I worked as hard as he does. We just won a Super Bowl and he’s back training, doing little things.”

We get it Rob Parker, you hate TFB, and are obviously envious of his charisma and leadership qualities but give it up, you're coming across as a salty loser like the fans from BUF, SEA, NYJ, PIT, KC, ATL, CAR, etc.

 

[sb1]

When Brady walked on water and turned water into wine, the whole team was firmly behind him. So what happened in 2002? Tom take a year off of his. leadership?

Ask Belichick. He thought guys like Victor Green and Donald Hayes were worth adding to the roster.

 

[venecol]

That attempted rebuttal literally makes no sense. Bledsoe was the starter for all sixteen 1996 games. Additionally, here are the opponent points for the next 4 games in 1996:

0
25
38
27


And here are the opponent points in the first 7 games of the 2001 season:

23
10
13
30
26
19
31

Why bother. He's like a wart in Belichick's ass cheek.

 

[Deus Irae]

Why bother. He's like a wart in Belichick's ass cheek.

His arguments are so ridiculously bad that they are difficult to resist swatting away.

"The defense gelled!" said the man who didn't bother noting that the defense wasn't better in the immediate aftermath.






Meanwhile, let's switch to yards. Defensive yards, from weeks 1-7:

353
238

322
296
343
484
355


Offensive yards, from weeks 1-7:

292
308

336
149
374
385
300


And the points:

17
3

44
10
29
38
20


So the difference, at least at the start, was clearly the offense. But Mr. "The defense Gelled!" is on the case...

 

[crawhammer]

Because the Pats won on defense, not offense.

You agree the latter part of the dynasty was more Brady and I think most people would agree with that (anyone who doesn't can chime in here). I think most people would agree too the more about Brady started in 2007.

So let's look at some numbers and details from 2000 to 2004 (which seem to be the seasons mostly in question)...

2000 (5-11)

Offense P/G: 25th
Defense P/G: 17th
Offense Y/G: 22nd
Defense Y/G: 20th

Bledsoe: 5-11, 77.3 passer rating

2001 (11-5)

Offense P/G: 6th
Defense P/G: 6th
Offense Y/G: 19th
Defense Y/G: 24th

Overall team was looking pretty bad through Week 2, having gone 5-13 with Belichick & Bledsoe. The offense would improve significantly with Brady as the starter and so did the team's fortunes.

Brady: 14-3, 86.5 passer rating (up 9.2 from Bledsoe in 2000), Pro Bowl, SB36 MVP
Season Highlights: 364 and 2 TD's in OT win vs SD; 80% and 3 TD's in win at Indy; 75% and 4 TD's in win vs NO; 138 in 4th & OT in Snow Bowl; game-winning drive in SB36

2002 (9-7)

Week 16 loss at home vs Jets led to the only non-division winning season of the Brady era.

Season Highlights (Brady): 294 and 3 TD's in opener vs Pittsburg; 410 and 4 TD's in shootout win over KC; led NFL in TD's

2003 (14-2)

Offense P/G: 12th
Defense P/G: 1st
Offense Y/G: 17th
Defense Y/G: 7th

Brady: 0 TD & 4 INT's in opener put him in a huge hole statistically; in 11 of remaining 15 games, all wins, he had 14 TD's & 0 INT's; SB38 MVP
Season Highlights (too many to mention): 82-yard bomb to Brown in OT win at Miami (still an all-time favorite replay); 350 and 3 TD's including game-winning pass to Givens with 0:30 left at Denver; 368 in OT win at Houston where he connected with Graham with 0:40 left in regulation before leading a game-winning drive in OT; 4 TD's in Week 17 rematch vs Buffalo; Divisional win over Tennessee in literally 20-below; 354, 3 TD's and game-winning drive in SB38

2004 (14-2)

Offense P/G: 4th
Defense P/G: 2nd
Offense Y/G: 7th
Defense Y/G: 9th

Brady: Pro Bowl; highest postseason passer rating of career (109.4); only QB to win back-to-back Super Bowls in 2000's
Season Highlights: 335 and 3 TD's in opener vs Indy; 300 and 2 TD's at Buffalo; 5 TD's, 0 INT's & 109.4 passer rating in postseason

Brady looks like a definite elite quarterback 2001-2004. How can you even question it?

 

[upstater1]

That attempted rebuttal literally makes no sense. Bledsoe was the starter for all sixteen 1996 games. Additionally, here are the opponent points for the next 4 games in 1996:

0
25
38
27


And here are the opponent points in the first 7 games of the 2001 season:

23
10
13
30
26
19
31

I have no idea what you're trying to say with these numbers.

My point is the defense gelled in 2001 and lead the team to the 11-3 record to close out the season.

Also, Drew Bledsoe is quite capable of taking a team that was .600 the previous season, then lost the first two games, all the way to the Super Bowl--if that team's defense is lead by Bill Belichick. Heck, Bledsoe even played most of the 2001 AFCCG and lead the team to a win that day too!

 

[upstater1]

His arguments are so ridiculously bad that they are difficult to resist swatting away.

"The defense gelled!" said the man who didn't bother noting that the defense wasn't better in the immediate aftermath.






Meanwhile, let's switch to yards. Defensive yards, from weeks 1-7:

353
238

322
296
343
484
355


Offensive yards, from weeks 1-7:

292
308

336
149
374
385
300


And the points:

17
3

44
10
29
38
20


So the difference, at least at the start, was clearly the offense. But Mr. "The defense Gelled!" is on the case...

Yeah, the 2001 defense did not really do much. You're right. You and your idiot brother.

Yards? Yards! You show you know absolutely nothing about what made these defenses great. Yards. You sound like those clowns that don't understand Belichick's strategy at all.

Judging defense by yards!?!?! After 20 years. You two are the most dunderheaded pair on this board.

 

[gobesmug]

You agree the latter part of the dynasty was more Brady and I think most people would agree with that (anyone who doesn't can chime in here). I think most people would agree too the more about Brady started in 2007.

So let's look at some numbers and details from 2000 to 2004 (which seem to be the seasons mostly in question)...

2000 (5-11)

Offense P/G: 25th
Defense P/G: 17th
Offense Y/G: 22nd
Defense Y/G: 20th

Bledsoe: 5-11, 77.3 passer rating

2001 (11-5)

Offense P/G: 6th
Defense P/G: 6th
Offense Y/G: 19th
Defense Y/G: 24th

Overall team was looking pretty bad through Week 2, having gone 5-13 with Belichick & Bledsoe. The offense would improve significantly with Brady as the starter and so did the team's fortunes.

Brady: 14-3, 86.5 passer rating (up 9.2 from Bledsoe in 2000), Pro Bowl, SB36 MVP
Season Highlights: 364 and 2 TD's in OT win vs SD; 80% and 3 TD's in win at Indy; 75% and 4 TD's in win vs NO; 138 in 4th & OT in Snow Bowl; game-winning drive in SB36

2002 (9-7)

Week 16 loss at home vs Jets prevented their only non-division winning season of the Brady era.

Season Highlights (Brady): 294 and 3 TD's in opener vs Pittsburg; 410 and 4 TD's in shootout win over KC; led NFL in TD's

2003 (14-2)

Offense P/G: 12th
Defense P/G: 1st
Offense Y/G: 17th
Defense Y/G: 7th

Brady: 0 TD & 4 INT's in opener put him a huge hole statistically; in 11 of remaining 15 games, all wins, he had 14 TD's & 0 INT's; SB38 MVP
Season Highlights (too many to mention): 82-yard bomb to Brown in OT win at Miami (still an all-time favorite replay); 350 and 3 TD's including game-winning pass to Givens with 0:30 left at Denver; 368 in OT win at Houston where he connected with Graham with 0:40 left in regulation before leading a game-winning drive in OT; 4 TD's in Week 17 rematch vs Buffalo; Divisional win over Tennessee in literally 20-below; 354, 3 TD's and game-winning drive in SB38

2004 (14-2)

Offense P/G: 4th
Defense P/G: 2nd
Offense Y/G: 7th
Defense Y/G: 9th

Brady: Pro Bowl; highest postseason passer rating of career (109.4); only QB to win back-to-back Super Bowls in 2000's
Season Highlights: 335 and 3 TD's in opener vs Indy; 300 and 2 TD's at Buffalo; 5 TD's, 0 INT's & 109.4 passer rating in postseason

Brady looks like a definite elite quarterback 2001-2004. How can you even question it?

Thanks for that post. SMH for the blind to refuse what they are seeing.

This would have been like Bulls fans crapping on MJ and giving Phil and Krause all the credit when MJ played a couple years for the wizards.

 

[gobesmug]

Yeah, the 2001 defense did not really do much. You're right. You and your idiot brother.

Yards? Yards! You show you know absolutely nothing about what made these defenses great. Yards. You sound like those clowns that don't understand Belichick's strategy at all.

Judging defense by yards!?!?! After 20 years. You two are the most dunderheaded pair on this board.

Winning is the biggest judge.

That's all Brady has done his career. He did it in HS, in college, with BB and without BB in the NFL.

What has Bill done in the NFL as a HC without Brady?

In fact without an all-time GOAT at their position, what had Bill done as a coach?

The giants had possibly the greatest defensive player of all time in LT for the 2 Superbowl wins.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah, the 2001 defense did not really do much. You're right. You and your idiot brother.

Yards? Yards! You show you know absolutely nothing about what made these defenses great. Yards. You sound like those clowns that don't understand Belichick's strategy at all.

Judging defense by yards!?!?! After 20 years. You two are the most dunderheaded pair on this board.

Thats how they operate.

 

[gobesmug]

Bill is the LOAT, luckiest of all time.

As a DC he had the greatest defensive player of all time and as a HC the GOAT period.

Basically he is Phil Jackson. A great coach who knew how to coach HOF talent. A creator of HOF talent he is not.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yeah, the 2001 defense did not really do much. You're right. You and your idiot brother.

Yards? Yards! You show you know absolutely nothing about what made these defenses great. Yards. You sound like those clowns that don't understand Belichick's strategy at all.

Judging defense by yards!?!?! After 20 years. You two are the most dunderheaded pair on this board.

I gave the points allowed in the earlier post. You even quoted the post.

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Admittedly, you were clueless in that response,

I have no idea what you're trying to say with these numbers.

but you did respond.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Bill is the LOAT, luckiest of all time.

As a DC he had the greatest defensive player of all time and as a HC the GOAT period.

Basically he is Phil Jackson. A great coach who knew how to coach HOF talent. A creator of HOF talent he is not.

At least Phil admits he only wants to coach elite talent. He's been with two teams and won 11 titles.

 

[RobertWeathers]

A creator of HOF talent he is not.

You act like he picked Tom R1 P1.

Reminder: Bill drafted Tom. Developed Tom and surrounded him with Super Bowl-contending talent for 19 years.

To say Bill had nothing to do with Tom's GoATness is beyond ignorant.

What f-ing team have you been following?

 

[gobesmug]

You act like he picked Tom R1 P1.

Reminder: Bill drafted Tom. Developed Tom and surrounded him with Super Bowl talent for 18 years.

To say Bill had nothing to do with Tom's GoATness is beyond ignorant.

I didn't say he had nothing to do with it. I gave credit that Bill knew how to coach HOF talent.

No one can create HOF talent, it's up to the player themselves to do it.

Bill isn't some mythical coach that can take any QB and make them a legend, he didn't do it in Cleveland, he didn't do it with Bledsoe and he certainly didn't do it with Cam.

No coach can ever win without HOF talent in modern football.

Even Bill acknowledges that coaches like Brown and Chuck Knoll revolutionized the game of football.

 

[1960Pats]

I was a Drew supporter until the latter 1/2 of the 1999 season. I wrote off the 2000 season but he lost me after that Jets game in 01 because he was absolutely awful and I was convinced we were done with him at QB. Coulda been Brady. Coulda been Huard. I didn't care at that point I was so down on him. I'm grateful Drew took the high road. Nothing but good things to say about him.

Pay-me-a-ton would have went nuclear. No question.

Drew was like a lot of strong armed QBs that thought they could put the ball in places that they couldn't or shouldn't. Once I saw Brady in 2001 I could see that he did many things better than Drew.

 

[gobesmug]

You act like he picked Tom R1 P1.

Reminder: Bill drafted Tom. Developed Tom and surrounded him with Super Bowl-contending talent for 19 years.

To say Bill had nothing to do with Tom's GoATness is beyond ignorant.

What f-ing team have you been following?

Also the fact that he didn't pick Tom 1st overall adds to the luck. Bill had to be convinced by the QBs coach to take Brady.

Bill lucked into Brady, but he was brilliant to acknowledge it and not turn the team back to the 100mil QB when he was healthy.

 

[1960Pats]

Also the fact that he didn't pick Tom 1st overall adds to the luck. Bill had to be convinced by the QBs coach to take Brady.

Bill lucked into Brady, but he was brilliant to acknowledge it and not turn the team back to the 100mil QB when he was healthy.

Sticking with players because of their contract status is one of the biggest mistakes that coaches/GMs make. Not falling into that trap is one of Bill's strengths.