Asante goes off on Bill/Pats organization

[venecol]

Could you imagine what Woooozy and Team Bill would be saying if the Patriots opponent had been the ones benching their starting cornerback in the Super Bowl while getting torched at a historic level?

Arrogance!
Dysfunction!
**** show!
This is what happens when you sellout to big egos!
That's why you don't put up with attitude problems; it will come back to bite you!
This is why we're a team and they're a bunch of mercenaries!
Ha ha - shooting themselves in the foot! God I love Bill!

This is why Bill gives the Patriots a huge advantage!
He would have figured it out!!
This would have never happened to a Bill Belichick coached team!

This is what our opponent was saying during the SB (as they had multiple orgasms in their pants):

“After the first series or two. We were like, ‘[Butler’s] not in the game!'” an Eagles assistant coach told The MMQB’s Andy Benoit. “They have [Chung] in there. That’s crazy!'”

 

[Kontradiction]

Thats not all he said but whatever...

Rowe said some interesting stuff in the aftermath of the game until quality control got a hold of him...

But no one but Belichick seemed to know the cornerback would get zero defensive snaps. Butler played just one snap on special teams.

“That wasn’t the plan,” Rowe said during a postgame press conference after the team’s 41-33 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles. “It wasn’t official until kickoff.”

 

[venecol]

Good explanation from Kyed of the trickle effect of benching Butler and how he could've contributed had he not been benched.

"But with Malcolm Butler, usually a starting outside cornerback, on the Patriots’ bench, Eric Rowe started opposite Gilmore, with Patrick Chung in the slot, Devin McCourty in the box at strong safety and Jordan Richards and Johnson Bademosi sharing a hybrid safety/linebacker dime role. When Chung went down with a concussion, Bademosi played cornerback.

If the Patriots were to play the game all over again, it would be smart to put Butler in Rowe’s place, Rowe in Chung’s place and Chung in Richards/Bademosi’s place in dime packages.

Removing Butler from the game plan had a trickle-down effect. Chung had to move from his regular spot covering tight ends to shift over to the slot while McCourty played strong safety. Rowe had to move from the slot to cover outside, and the loss of Butler increased the roles of Richards and Bademosi."

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In retrospect, only two New England Patriots defensive backs played where they belonged in Sunday’s 41-33 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in Super Bowl LII. Stephon Gilmore appropriately lined up at outside cornerback for the Patriots, and Duron Harmon fittingly played free safety. But with...

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[RobertWeathers]

Rowe said some interesting stuff in the aftermath of the game until quality control got a hold of him...

But no one but Belichick seemed to know the cornerback would get zero defensive snaps. Butler played just one snap on special teams.

“That wasn’t the plan,” Rowe said during a postgame press conference after the team’s 41-33 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles. “It wasn’t official until kickoff.”

I believe him completely. DMC said the same thing a couple of months later.

Rowe and Malcolm split reps on Wed and Thurs.

Maybe they did a double check on Fri, Sat or that morning to see if Malcolm was ready to go and he said he wasn't. IDK?

Maybe he loaded up on Dayquil before game? Who knows...

 

[Kontradiction]

I believe him completely. DMC said the same thing a couple of months later.

Rowe and Malcolm split reps on Wed and Thurs.

Maybe they did a double check on Fri, Sat or that morning to see if Malcolm was ready to go and he said he wasn't. IDK?

Maybe he loaded up on Dayquil before game? Who knows...

Maybe he was snorting coke with LT who, I guess, was always locked in and ready to go?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Maybe he was snorting coke with LT who, I guess, was always locked in and ready to go?

LT was always ready to go.

He played a game with a handcuffs covered with tape b/c the escorts he was with that morning lost the key.

 

[crawhammer]

I'm fine with the BB woulda, shoulda and couldas. As fans thats fine to say. But what is unfair is to say Malcolm was ready to play because Malcolm himself said he wasn't.

If he wasn't ready to play then why was he in uniform on the sideline?
If he wasn't ready to play then why was he active for the game?
If he wasn't ready to play then why did he play in the game?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This is what our opponent was saying during the SB (as they had multiple orgasm in their pants):

Let's face it here...Bill has always been kind of a mad genius unafraid to push the lines. That's what's led to a lot of pretty incredible gameplans and counterintuitive personnel decisions that worked out. Examples: addition by subtraction with Lawyer Milloy, Randy Moss (2010), and Jamie Collins. The team was better off without those guys, and its remarkable for a coach to have the balls to do that and be given the leeway.

In this case, it's obvious that Bill just went too far in trying to uphold some kind of "unified team over rogue player" concept, which seems to be a combination of discipline and maybe rationalizing some scheme adjustment. He out-thought himself and perhaps thought he'd play Butler at some point (Butler was active, which keeps getting overlooked), but he dug in too deep at some point.

That's the thing...I take the good with the bad with Bill. He screwed up; no one else in the league would do many of the things he does; often they work out. This time it blew up in his face. Everyone knows it; this is just extreme denial by some Pats fans. The only question is what Butler did...it wasn't minor stuff in practice or a curfew violation.

 

[venecol]

If he wasn't ready to play then why was he in uniform on the sideline?
If he wasn't ready to play then why was he active for the game?
If he wasn't ready to play then why did he play in the game?

He actually played one snap in special teams.

 

[venecol]

"One unconfirmed scenario for why Butler didn’t play may be traced to that practice. Supposedly, there was a dustup with safeties coach Steve Belichick. Butler was told to take the field for a special teams session he didn’t normally participate in. Butler balked. Steve Belichick got after Butler for balking. Butler bit back."

There's also word that someone from the defensive side of the ball told Belichick to bench Butler, that's why nobody knew it was going to happen until right before the game. Could it have been Little Steven?

"If that was the case, it’s understandable why Belichick would want to be particularly tight-lipped about it. And Butler too, perhaps."

I don't think it's a coincidence the high number of coaches that departed after SB 52. A bunch of good players also left since then. It was the beginning of the end, though they managed to pull of that win the following year.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

"One unconfirmed scenario for why Butler didn’t play may be traced to that practice. Supposedly, there was a dustup with safeties coach Steve Belichick. Butler was told to take the field for a special teams session he didn’t normally participate in. Butler balked. Steve Belichick got after Butler for balking. Butler bit back."

There's also word that someone from the defensive side of the ball told Belichick to bench Butler, that's why nobody knew it was going to happen until right before the game. Could it have been Little Steven?

"If that was the case, it’s understandable why Belichick would want to be particularly tight-lipped about it. And Butler too, perhaps."

I don't think it's a coincidence the high number of coaches that departed after SB 52. A bunch of good players also left since then. It was the beginning of the end, though they managed to pull of that win the following year.

I'd pay to read these threads in two years if Little Steven becomes the head coach.

 

[Kontradiction]

I'd pay to read these threads in two years if Little Steven becomes the head coach.

 

[venecol]

View attachment 30701

Hahahaha

Steven: Hey Malcolm, I need you to line up for this ST play.
MB: Yea, I don't play ST.
Steven: Listen, you better do what I say or I'm telling Dad.
MB: I don't care what you do cracker.
Steven: You don't want to make me mad bro.
MB: What were you and Jonathan Pizarro really doing in that dark parking lot when you got arrested back in 2006?
Steven: That's it, you'll play in the SB over my dead body.
MB: Whatever cracker.

The rest is history.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Hahahaha

Steven: Hey Malcolm, I need you to line up for this ST play.
MB: Yea, I don't play ST.
Steven: Listen, you better do what I say or I'm telling Dad.
MB: I don't care what you do cracker.
Steven: You don't want to make me mad bro.
MB: What were you and Jonathan Pizarro really doing in that dark parking lot when you got arrested back in 2006?
Steven: That's it, you'll play in the SB over my dead body.
MB: Whatever cracker.

The rest is history.

Since you can't change the past, I'm almost hoping it turns out to be a tiff with Little Steven that caused the benching. It would just be interesting that the most cold, caluclating man in sports was done in by the most human thing possible in siding with your kids over everyone else.

 

[Lavictoire]

"One unconfirmed scenario for why Butler didn’t play may be traced to that practice. Supposedly, there was a dustup with safeties coach Steve Belichick. Butler was told to take the field for a special teams session he didn’t normally participate in. Butler balked. Steve Belichick got after Butler for balking. Butler bit back."

There's also word that someone from the defensive side of the ball told Belichick to bench Butler, that's why nobody knew it was going to happen until right before the game. Could it have been Little Steven?

"If that was the case, it’s understandable why Belichick would want to be particularly tight-lipped about it. And Butler too, perhaps."

I don't think it's a coincidence the high number of coaches that departed after SB 52. A bunch of good players also left since then. It was the beginning of the end, though they managed to pull of that win the following year.

If that is what happened sounds like Butler got a big head. Bellichick was probably mad because he helped Butler to succeed.

 

[crawhammer]

He actually played one snap in special teams.

Right, I know. The Belichick defenders love to scream in your face that "Butler wasn't ready to play!"... so why the f*ck was he active for the game, in uniform, on the sideline, and on the field for a ST snap???

 

[RobertWeathers]

"One unconfirmed scenario for why Butler didn’t play may be traced to that practice. Supposedly, there was a dustup with safeties coach Steve Belichick. Butler was told to take the field for a special teams session he didn’t normally participate in. Butler balked. Steve Belichick got after Butler for balking. Butler bit back."

There's also word that someone from the defensive side of the ball told Belichick to bench Butler, that's why nobody knew it was going to happen until right before the game. Could it have been Little Steven?

"If that was the case, it’s understandable why Belichick would want to be particularly tight-lipped about it. And Butler too, perhaps."

I don't think it's a coincidence the high number of coaches that departed after SB 52. A bunch of good players also left since then. It was the beginning of the end, though they managed to pull of that win the following year.

I don't buy it.

 

[venecol]

I don't buy it.

Admit it Dude, you don't have all the answers and it's making you uncomfortable.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Admit it Dude, you don't have all the answers and it's making you uncomfortable

Well, Dude, we just don't know.

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[upstater1]

That's the thing...I take the good with the bad with Bill. He screwed up; no one else in the league would do many of the things he does; often they work out. This time it blew up in his face. Everyone knows it; this is just extreme denial by some Pats fans. The only question is what Butler did...it wasn't minor stuff in practice or a curfew violation.

It's not denial at all. Once you don't care about accountability, there is no accountability. It's as simple as that. You either have the standard or you don't. If so much of the Patriots culture and the Patriots way is about players unfailingingly coming to practice / workouts early and holding up their responsibilities, then you do whatever it takes to maintain the standard.

If you give people a few breaks here or there, you're opening the door to people accusing you of double standards, and that warps the team mindset.