Asante goes off on Bill/Pats organization

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I question how something/someone can be wildly successful to the point of unparalleled success while also being bad making some mistakes.

There you go...I fixed it for you. Now you have some clarity at last.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't care if they were there or not, Rowe was graded one of the worst CB's in football. Badmostly played how we expected him to play. Bad. I highly doubt they had a "good" week of practice.

Butler was not good in 2017. Fine. However, the alternatives weren't better, which is something that can't be acknowledged by those who defend the benching.

I think you are missing my point.

It's irrelevant how Malcolm performed during 2017. He started the AFCCG. Biggest game of the year. He was fine.

It's also irrelevant how good/****ty Badman is/was.

Forget all the rumors, speculation, etc and focus on 4 facts that we all agree on.

After the AFCCG, Malcolm was sick.

Malcolm split reps with Rowe in the 2 practices he attended.

Malcolm admitted he was not dialed-in/prepared for the game.

BB says it was not discipline-related.

I'm fine with the BB woulda, shoulda and couldas. As fans thats fine to say. But what is unfair is to say Malcolm was ready to play because Malcolm himself said he wasn't.

 

[Kontradiction]

I also criticized games, passes from Tom Brady without saying he was terrible at his job... that's objective criticism. Criticizing Bill's decisions is criticizing Bill.

Sure. If you actually criticized them. That’s not what happened in your examples.

Just because my criticisms aren't passive aggressive hit posts where I pull back just short of saying someone should be fired or because I'm not part of the "fire Bill" fan club, that doesn't make my criticisms any less valid.

That fan club has exactly one member - crawhammer. Not much of a fan club. But you know that. That’s why you’re trying to straw man this thread to death.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Of course not. You’ve never been able to bring yourself to admit that Rowe and Bademosi were better options. Rowe sure did look focused, though, as he was getting torched in the first quarter. He focused on the back of his man’s jersey. I saw it.

We all saw it. It was awful.

Too bad Malcolm said he wasn't ready

 

[Wozzy]

Sure. If you actually criticized them. That’s not what happened in your examples.

That fan club has exactly one member - crawhammer. Not much of a fan club. But you know that. That’s why you’re trying to straw man this thread to death.

Saying Dawson, Easley and Kony Ealy were bad moves isn't critical enough... got it.

Crawhammer is a little more overt than the rest of you, but one can't get through a thread where the moaning about Bill doesn't overtake most threads... like this one.

 

[Deus Irae]

Saying Dawson, Easley and Kony Ealy were bad moves isn't critical enough... got it.

Crawhammer is a little more overt than the rest of you, but one can't get through a thread where the moaning about Bill doesn't overtake most threads... like this one.

This thread is literally a thread about a player knocking on BB and the Patriots, and you think the thread won't have people criticizing BB?

 

[Kontradiction]

Defensive backfield play doesn't happen in a vacuum. How many sacks/pressures did the Pat's front have?

Zero is the answer, it was a complete defensive failure. Most of their best defenders were out with injury.

They had arguably the best corner in the NFL out there, corners rely on the front to create pressure.

Yeah. That’s because their defensive front 7 in 2017 was a dumpster fire. The secondary was the strength of the defense... until the HC decided to destabilize that unit prior to kick off. But hey, at least the guys we had out there were disciplined and focused. This was their idea of coverage, though...



Those stats for Rowe, Bademosi, and Richards. WOOF. Add to that the fact that the Eagles basically ran at will, which was to be expected given the state of our defensive front, and you have a defense that lost the team the Super Bowl. In that close of a game, talent makes a difference. Butler was more talented than Bademosi and Rowe. Still is. Butler being on the field also means less Richards, since Chung wouldn’t need to spend time as the Nickel corner. But hey, at least they were dIaLeD iN. Maybe we can give them some merit badges for how prepared and disciplined they were.

 

[Kontradiction]

We all saw it. It was awful.

Too bad Malcolm said he wasn't ready

Rowe and Bademosi were though, eh?

 

[Kontradiction]

Saying Dawson, Easley and Kony Ealy were bad moves isn't critical enough... got it.

Crawhammer is a little more overt than the rest of you, but one can't get through a thread where the moaning about Bill doesn't overtake most threads... like this one.

Yikes. You’re struggling here. Read the thread title, Chatham. Take the afternoon off, clog your arteries with some more smoked meats, and have a nap. You don’t know which way is up anymore.

 

[203Pat]

Team Bill further embarrassing itself. Butler was good enough to start all year but then got sat down for the super bowl and it doesn't matter because he sucks. Even more embarrassing is defending the fact Bill wouldn't put him in there while Rowe and Bademosi were getting roasted by a backup QB throwing to pedestrian receivers.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Rowe and Bademosi were though, eh?

They played.

 

[Wozzy]

This thread is literally a thread about a player knocking on BB and the Patriots, and you think the thread won't have people criticizing BB?

A douchebag former player moaning about his contract... and the Negative Nancy's are piling on.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah. That’s because their defensive front 7 in 2017 was a dumpster fire. The secondary was the strength of the defense... until the HC decided to destabilize that unit prior to kick off. But hey, at least the guys we had out there were disciplined and focused. This was their idea of coverage, though...



Those stats for Rowe, Bademosi, and Richards. WOOF. Add to that the fact that the Eagles basically ran at will, which was to be expected given the state of our defensive front, and you have a defense that lost the team the Super Bowl. In that close of a game, talent makes a difference. Butler was more talented than Bademosi and Rowe. Still is. Butler being on the field also means less Richards, since Chung wouldn’t need to spend time as the Nickel corner. But hey, at least they were dIaLeD iN. Maybe we can give them some merit badges for how prepared and disciplined they were.

The defensive front was good until Hightower and NT Branch were lost to injury (6th overall in points per drive allowed), the defensive backfield wasn't destabilized by Jonathan Jones, Chung and Ebner getting hurt... it was our worst starting defender getting benched when he said himself he wasn't ready to play and was disgruntled over his contract all season.

 

[Kontradiction]

They played.

Not particularly well.

 

[venecol]

We all saw it. It was awful.

Too bad Malcolm said he wasn't ready

This is what he said after the game:

'They gave up on me. F***, it is what it is,' Butler told ESPN.

'It was a coach's decision. ... I don't know what it was. I guess I wasn't playing good. They didn't feel comfortable. I could have changed that game, though.'

 

[Deus Irae]

A douchebag former player moaning about his contract... and the Negative Nancy's are piling on.

You are clowning yourself with every post.


Do yourself a favor. Go throw your computer into a closet for a couple of weeks.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Could you imagine what Woooozy and Team Bill would be saying if the Patriots opponent had been the ones benching their starting cornerback in the Super Bowl while getting torched at a historic level?

Arrogance!
Dysfunction!
**** show!
This is what happens when you sellout to big egos!
That's why you don't put up with attitude problems; it will come back to bite you!
This is why we're a team and they're a bunch of mercenaries!
Ha ha - shooting themselves in the foot! God I love Bill!
This is why Bill gives the Patriots a huge advantage!
This would have never happened to a Bill Belichick coached team!

 

[venecol]

Devin McCourty assured as much Friday during an appearance on SiriusXM NFL Radio. The Patriots safety, who claimed Sunday night his teammates were well aware Butler wasn’t going to start in Super Bowl LII against the Philadelphia Eagles, was asked again Friday about who knew what and when.

“We never really knew,” McCourty said, via WEEI.com. “… The starting part we knew, but him not playing — I think (head coach) Bill (Belichick) said after the game, it was a straight coaching decision. You know, that is how the NFL works, the coaches coach and the players play. We just played. It was a situation where that’s how it ended.”

Basically, McCourty and his teammates knew Butler wouldn’t start but had no idea he’d play zero defensive snaps.

McCourty’s clarification makes sense, as fellow cornerback Eric Rowe claimed he didn’t know Butler would be benched until kickoff but had been practicing as New England’s No. 2 cornerback behind Stephon Gilmore in the week leading up to Super Bowl LII.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is what he said after the game:

'They gave up on me. F***, it is what it is,' Butler told ESPN.

'It was a coach's decision. ... I don't know what it was. I guess I wasn't playing good. They didn't feel comfortable. I could have changed that game, though.'

Thats not all he said but whatever...

 

[Kontradiction]

The defensive front was good until Hightower and NT Branch were lost to injury (6th overall in points per drive allowed), the defensive backfield wasn't destabilized by Jonathan Jones, Chung and Ebner getting hurt... it was our worst starting defender getting benched when he said himself he wasn't ready to play and was disgruntled over his contract all season.

Hightower was injured early in the season. The 2017 squad was 20th against the run, allowing 4.7 YPC (which was among the bottom of the league in that category). It was almost a guarantee that they were going to get gouged on the ground. It was the secondary that kept that side of the ball upright and competitive all season. The majority of their 42 sacks were coverage sacks. Your assertion that Butler was our worst defensive player is laughable and shows me, again, that you don’t know what you’re watching. He was so bad that he played 98% of defensive snaps for the Patriots in the regular season. He was so bad that he played 100% of the defensive snaps in the AFCCG. Rowe and Bademosi were so good that they played a combined... uh.... 0% of snaps in that same game.

Moreover, if you really believe that he was our worst defender, then you also need to call BB to the mat because, after all, it was a huge error to play Butler all season. Right? Wrong. Benching him was an error, and it played a huge part in costing the team that Super Bowl. The Eagles even admitted as much after the game when they said that they went right after Rowe after noticing that Butler was out. That game was also a very clear cut beginning of a divergence between some of the more important players on the team and BB.