Carson Wentz traded to the Colts

[FreeTedWilliams]

loo why wouldn’t Dal be tagged or resigned

because its the second tag which would cost $37, 680, 000 for 2021, and the Cowboys only have $19 million in cap space.

 

[Scotty]

C'Mon guys you are forgetting it is fun in Philly

 

[denverpatsfan]

We saw this one coming a mile away. Colts should now be favored to represent the AFC in the SB next season. Place your bets now.

 

[Kontradiction]

We were never going to be interested in Wentz. He just isn’t a fit here. I think I said that on, like, page 2 or 3. It was the Bears or Colts or Fecals.

 

[TheRainMaker]

IF Dak does not get tagged, things are looking good for us...SF could potentially sign him but it'd be more difficult for them. I think SF trades Jimmy for Watson ultimately.

Jimmy has a no trade clause, which could complicate things. However, Jimmy may cooperate if Texans take on his contract as he'll make considerably less if he is cut.

loo why wouldn’t Dal be tagged or resigned

Because he's not worth it. He messed up playing hardball with the Cowboys thinking he should be one of the highest paid QB's and now he's damaged goods. Cowboys have a ton of leverage now and really should kick him to the curb as Dak couldn't win with the talent they have.

Jerry should do everything he can to get Watson.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

The logic comes from teams constantly trading next year's first for a second this year.

Yes, and that became popular when Jimmy Johnson updated the draft value chart. Johnson added the recommendation that future picks be down-valued, vs. a current year pick, by that amount (a round for each year you'd have to wait).

A decent rule of thumb, but of course it matters where in a round you are. Bill has made some hay trading (say) a 4th for a future 3rd, with the 4th given up being low in the round and the 3rd being high, so it would almost be a 2 round gain. Taking advantage of your trading partner's unwarranted optimism, I guess.

 

[luuked]

I have never understood this logic, probably because it eminates from teams making stupid picks.

A first is a first. If it’s next year you get him one year later but keep him one year longer. It has the exact same value as a first this year.

Because it is the same logic as money. Money now is more valuable than the same money in a year because you can actually use it. That's why the cashflow of contracts -- which is different than the structure in terms of the salary cap -- is often slanted towards the majority of the money being paid out as early as possible.

Draft picks are not much different. Having access to a first round pick this year is generally better than next year because who knows if you still have that job by then.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Dolts can have him.

 

[Kontradiction]

 

[Froob]

Jimmy has a no trade clause, which could complicate things. However, Jimmy may cooperate if Texans take on his contract as he'll make considerably less if he is cut.

Because he's not worth it. He messed up playing hardball with the Cowboys thinking he should be one of the highest paid QB's and now he's damaged goods. Cowboys have a ton of leverage now and really should kick him to the curb as Dak couldn't win with the talent they have.

Jerry should do everything he can to get Watson.

I’m thinking he’ll waive the no trade in order to avoid getting cut.

 

[RIpats88]

loo why wouldn’t Dal be tagged or resigned

Doesn't he have a ridiculous tag number?

 

[chasa]

We saw this one coming a mile away. Colts should now be favored to represent the AFC in the SB next season. Place your bets now.

lol? represent that how, as the team most likely to have over paid for a journeyman qb?

i have not seen a team get fleeced this bad since the colts sent a #1 for trent richardson

 

[RIpats88]

So with the modest price. Must show you why the Patriots didn't put in an offer

They must have no faith the guy can be a competent QB

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Steve102]

So with the modest price. Must show you why the Patriots didn't put in an offer

They must have no faith the guy can be a competent QB

Right? I am of the opinion that the "bad guy" stories that are following him must have some teeth to them.

 

[denverpatsfan]

lol? represent that how, as the team most likely to have over paid for a journeyman qb?

i have not seen a team get fleeced this bad since the colts sent a #1 for trent richardson

Wentz will be fine. That team is ready to win now. Just needed to replace the QB. Chefs and Bills are beatable. Reich will rejuvenate Wentz. He just needed the proper coaching and a fresh start. Also not to have too much FUN....

 

[Ring 6]

Time value of money, Yo!

A 1st today is worth more than a 1st next year.

But it isn’t. There is no value depreciation of having a player from 2021-2026 vs 2022-2027. The value is a season doesn’t have inflation.

 

[Ring 6]

The logic comes from teams constantly trading next year's first for a second this year.

Well it doesn’t happen constantly and a bad trade doesn’t disprove a fact.
I get that once it a great while a team thinks they are one player away and makes a stupid trade to get them but that doesn’t equate to logic.

If it were logical you would see it happen a lot. If this years second was really the same thing as next years 1st there would be a ton of trades like that.

 

[RIpats88]

So they must think he's not salvageable. There were also stories that he didn't take coaching well. That can't help.

Because a 3rd and a 2nd isn't much. We traded a 2nd for the corpse of sanu

 

[Ring 6]

Because it is the same logic as money. Money now is more valuable than the same money in a year because you can actually use it. That's why the cashflow of contracts -- which is different than the structure in terms of the salary cap -- is often slanted towards the majority of the money being paid out as early as possible.

Draft picks are not much different. Having access to a first round pick this year is generally better than next year because who knows if you still have that job by then.

No it isn’t.
Money devalues due to inflation. Otherwise a dollar today and a dollar in a year would be the same thing.

A football franchise is not an inflationary object.
The need to have players this year is no greater or less than the need to have players next year

if I can pick a 1st round talent next year, in the long run my franchise is better off than it I pick a 2nd round talent this year.
I don’t get the 2nd rounder for any longer, it’s not like I get an extra year of use out of him.
And yes there are desperate teams. And if I want your second round pick there is no value to you in getting my second round pick next year, it’s just a wash. So the desperate trader has to give more than equal value. Which is why normally you see a 2nd and maybe a 4 happen. But if its pick for pick the only thing I have to offer you better than my second is my first.

That doesn’t mean the value of this years pick is one round higher than next years. It means bad traders overpay in the rare case it ever even happens.