Strategy for Next Season

[JMC00]

Sign: a #1 WR in Allen Robinson or Kenny Golladay

Sign: Hunter Henry

Sign: a #2 WR Marvin Jones/Curtis Samuel/Keelan Cole type

Draft: Kyle Pitts in the 1st

Then watch Damien Harris rush for 1500 yards because he isn't facing stacked boxes

 

[sb1]

We had a good draft this year.

TBD

 

[PatsRebuild]

Sign: a #1 WR in Allen Robinson or Kenny Golladay

Sign: Hunter Henry

Sign: a #2 WR Marvin Jones/Curtis Samuel/Keelan Cole type

Draft: Kyle Pitts in the 1st

Then watch Damien Harris rush for 1500 yards because he isn't facing stacked boxes

Who is your QB? Would you also sign Trubisky to compete with Stidham? Harris faces stacked boxes, like the goal line boxes vs Arizona, for 4 qtrs because McDoofus and Newton blow.

 

[JMC00]

Who is your QB? Would you also sign Trubisky to compete with Stidham? Harris faces stacked boxes, like the goal line boxes vs Arizona, for 4 qtrs because McDoofus and Newton blow.

Right. Because an offense of Byrd, Meyers, Harry and Izzo is as much of a vertical threat as an offense of for example Robinson, Henry, Pitts and Meyers

 

[PatsRebuild]

Right. Because an offense of Byrd, Meyers, Harry and Izzo is as much of a vertical threat as an offense of for example Robinson, Henry, Pitts and Meyers

I didn't say they were elite threats. I fully acknowledge we need a #1 all purpose, legit WR. A lot of teams do as they rebuild. Some of you entitled fans just can't handle the rebuild process, which is your own immature issue, not anyone else's.

Miami just spent 237 million this past spring and overpaid on the market for each player by about 4 mil per and have a glass, smallish QB they wasted a top 10 pick on.

FAIL

Trust me when I tell you, trying to immediately put band aids on your holes by buying the band aids, instead of drafting them, is not the way to do it.

 

[lancerman]

I think we all agree that a decent serviceable QB will suffice in making this offense go - as long as we get a pass catching TE, and WR help.
(Cam does not count)
on D - it's about run stuffers and edge rushers. Butler and Cowart are good young DTs. None of our DE's are sufficient. Wino, Uche, Jennings are not true DEs - but they'll make our LB corp much better next year. I assume Gilmore and JMac will be gone. So a solid #2 after JC will be critical. (maybe Bryant is being auditioned? can Williams step up?) Dugger is the future at Safety, and maybe the long awaited leader.

I don’t agree with that at all. This offense stalled out at the end of last year with Tom freaking Brady. Any QB you can think of will dramatically look worse in this offense.

 

[captain stone]

You're like the other guy SB1 here who tries to tell everyone they're smarter and better than BB and has a crystal ball as well. No one worth their salt judges a draft in year 1. No one does that.

We have History behind us.

 

[captain stone]

Can we give our two rookie tight ends a little time, not even a full year yet and their just getting healthy....Izzo is a different story

And these two chumps will be the same story soon enough.

 

[Jimke]

And these two chumps will be the same story soon enough.

What can you expect when you draft players one to four rounds ahead of where they are ranked?

 

[Ring 6]

We have History behind us.

History of what calling the guy who built the most successful organization and teams in the history of the sport terrible at his job?
It amazes me that you find the guy who wins incompetent and laud the guys who lose abs haven’t figured out yet that means you are wrong.
It’s like you are picking games, lose all the time and then try to convince everyone why your pick was correct

 

[ashley]

And these two chumps will be the same story soon enough.

Captain, you're one of the most knowledgable draft posters on this forum, and I give you credit that you are up on most of the prospects, I thought you were high on Asaiasi...from what I remember, most people thought of him as a good prospect, it's unfortunate that he has been injured. I think we just need to see more of them before judging.

 

[sb1]

You're like the other guy SB1 here who tries to tell everyone they're smarter and better than BB and has a crystal ball as well. No one worth their salt judges a draft in year 1. No one does that.

No but I trust Bill who clearly doesn't think Stidham is all that. Or he would be starting over a guy who can't pass.

 

[Kdo5]

It's been an interesting and sometimes exciting season. But with the playoffs slipping away, it seems fair to start talking about next year and the strategy for moving forward.

On one hand, there is the steady approach that involves a Cam, another free agent qb bandaid, or a trade for a quarterback with a restructured deal. On the other, we gut the roster after seeing a 7-9/8-8 campaign with aging role players.

My money is on gutting the roster, as another year with Cam will net a 6-10 or worse outcome unless there are some major changes. Do you see Belichick making enough moves to be successful again without a complete overhaul?

We need a major overhaul on both sides of the ball.

If Bill doesn't return next season with more promising options than Stidham or Cam, his ass should be on the hot seat. I think he handled the QB situation horrendously this past off season and deserves a lot of criticism for it. He cannot come back and do the same thing, certainly not with Cam.

He has to draft someone high or seek other options such as Jimmy, Stafford, Darnold (he is salvageable) etc. I don't know who is available but we need someone who is already good or has potential to be really good. Cam is a bottom 3 starting QB...maybe the worst but I'd have to think about it. The only other option Bill has would be to put Stidham in for the final three games to have a really good idea about him but he has already said he's putting Cam in again...

The rest of our roster has a ton of holes that will only worsen over the offseason. The one good thing is that we have a ton of cap space. Time to spend and time to spend on OFFENSE. Skill positions. TE, WR most importantly. Those positions have killed us for two straight seasons. It's past time to say **** it to drafting those positions and get someone proven.

We tend to have better luck drafting on defense so I'm okay with using draft capital for that end as we have plenty of holes to fill there. But QB, WR, TE are the priorities. Without that

 

[Kdo5]

Captain, you're one of the most knowledgable draft posters on this forum, and I give you credit that you are up on most of the prospects, I thought you were high on Asaiasi...from what I remember, most people thought of him as a good prospect, it's unfortunate that he has been injured. I think we just need to see more of them before judging.

I want to agree with you on this but I just can't wrap my mind around the fact that the two guys combined have caught one pass all season. I don't think Asiasi has ever been targeted when he has received playing time. You're right there is still potential but we can't rest our hopes on them. IMO we've gotta go out in FA or trade for a proven, legitimate NFL tight end. Two seasons in a row of zip at TE, I can't fathom a third!

 

[Toofy]

First strategy would be to throw the defensive back and wide receiver evaluation playbook... that's the first thing we need to do. All others can follow after that. Please shred it...

 

[PatsRebuild]

I want to agree with you on this but I just can't wrap my mind around the fact that the two guys combined have caught one pass all season. I don't think Asiasi has ever been targeted when he has received playing time. You're right there is still potential but we can't rest our hopes on them. IMO we've gotta go out in FA or trade for a proven, legitimate NFL tight end. Two seasons in a row of zip at TE, I can't fathom a third!

Was targeted twice..Once vs Oakland on one of Newton's mindnumbingly horrendous throws where he somehow missed him wide open where he was and then still threw it, except late, underneath, and right into the arms of the waiting defender.

And, then, last week in LA where Stidham came in and throw a good ball, but it was a tick off and the defender made a nice break up play on the ball. They showed it on replay from the end zone camera angle.

Newton would have held, held and held, and then taken a sack, refused to run or thrown an INT, or thrown it away after being late. lol

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I want to agree with you on this but I just can't wrap my mind around the fact that the two guys combined have caught one pass all season. I don't think Asiasi has ever been targeted when he has received playing time. You're right there is still potential but we can't rest our hopes on them. IMO we've gotta go out in FA or trade for a proven, legitimate NFL tight end. Two seasons in a row of zip at TE, I can't fathom a third!

It's obviously a game plan thing where McDaniels doesn't give a sh-t about getting TEs involved in the passing game. So it's hard to know if Asiasi is good or not because no opportunity is even tried. Tight ends simply are not even thought about for play calls or weekly game plans. You have a practice squad guy Izzo as the starting TE for 2 years. McDaniels did the same thing in St Louis, tight ends had almost no receiving yards in his league-worst offense in St Louis.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Strategy for next season: win more games

 

[Kdo5]

It's obviously a game plan thing where McDaniels doesn't give a sh-t about getting TEs involved in the passing game. So it's hard to know if Asiasi is good or not because no opportunity is even tried. Tight ends simply are not even thought about for play calls or weekly game plans. You have a practice squad guy Izzo as the starting TE for 2 years. McDaniels did the same thing in St Louis, tight ends had almost no receiving yards in his league-worst offense in St Louis.

I don't believe its McDaniels. He has been here since 2012 for his second stint and we've seen TE's get a lot of usage over the years. Gronk, Hernandez, Bennett. It only become non existent in 2019. Our guys just don't play well enough.

 

[PatsRebuild]

We need a major overhaul on both sides of the ball.

If Bill doesn't return next season with more promising options than Stidham or Cam, his ass should be on the hot seat. I think he handled the QB situation horrendously this past off season and deserves a lot of criticism for it. He cannot come back and do the same thing, certainly not with Cam.

He has to draft someone high or seek other options such as Jimmy, Stafford, Darnold (he is salvageable) etc. I don't know who is available but we need someone who is already good or has potential to be really good. Cam is a bottom 3 starting QB...maybe the worst but I'd have to think about it. The only other option Bill has would be to put Stidham in for the final three games to have a really good idea about him but he has already said he's putting Cam in again...

The rest of our roster has a ton of holes that will only worsen over the offseason. The one good thing is that we have a ton of cap space. Time to spend and time to spend on OFFENSE. Skill positions. TE, WR most importantly. Those positions have killed us for two straight seasons. It's past time to say **** it to drafting those positions and get someone proven.

We tend to have better luck drafting on defense so I'm okay with using draft capital for that end as we have plenty of holes to fill there. But QB, WR, TE are the priorities. Without that

Excuse me? He created the pandemic? How much more evidence do you need? Stidham WAS the guy. It wasn't Hoyer. He already beat his behind out in 2019, impressively so.

It's very reasonable thinking to think BB would bring a vet to push Stidham, but it never happened all spring. Never happened. And then Joshy saw Newton sitting there, got wood, pitched the idea, and voila, was given the job. He didn't earn anything other than working late, acting like a tool with his antics, and then proceeding to lose 3-4 games for this team with some of the most unaware QB play I've ever seen in 40 years of watching football.

The team does not need a "major overhaul" at all. It's 3/4 of the way built and being rebuilt as we speak. Once the number comes in for the cap, which is rumored to be anywhere from the 40-75 reduced range, I would imagine that will trigger the Lawrence Guy and Andrews extensions, maybe White and we'll see what happens with Thuney. It doesn't make sense that these VERY GOOD players, still in their prime, aren't inked. It's the complete opposite of what he usually does, so the unknown cap is likely why these guys didn't already have extensions this summer, Andrews's blood clot not withstanding. When Hightower retires, BB gets more cap space. Right now NE is 4th in cap space, so this means with the cap tumbling, a lot of nice players will be available at likely reduced prices for BB to pounce strategically in FA. Think Adrian Phillips, but it might at spots like 3-4 DE, WR, TE, maybe MLB. You know, the few need spots we could target in the draft for youth as well. You know, the legendary stuff BB is known for as a dynasty builder. lol

Riddle me this...If Stidham wasn't on track to start in their plans, pre-pandemic, with BB knowing he was walking from Brady, last offseason, like you said, why didn't they sign a veteran QB besides Hoyer, trade for one or draft one? Why did they wait until after the 4th of July to have Newton fly up here for his debut with the "calculus" playbook?

Answer? Stidham was impressive and the guy for the rebuild. Ignoring the pandemic in this sequence, is one of the most disingenuous things I've seen. This isn't a video game like some here think it is. He was the guy, but this thing called Covid19 happened.

The team has lost 3-4 games by Newton alone this year. So, no, they don't need a "major overhaul". This isn't 2009 when they had some weaker drafts in weak draft pools in 2006, 2007, 2008, where BB traded out or used picks to get veterans like Moss and Welker.

A major overhaul was the 2009 reality that picks were needed so he ended up dealing off Vrabel, Seymour, Cassel, then Moss, etc. See the difference? He's already been building, he wasn't trying to stretch out the first dynasty just like he's walked from this second dynasty guys like Hogan, Van Noy, Amemdola, Gronk, Flowers, and obviously Brady.

I mean, it took a 2nd SB for people in here to even respect the McCourtys. Chungs, Hightowers of the world. Sad, really. That's how ridiculous some of our fans are in the fanbase...Everyone sucks, the sky is falling, BB is a big meanie and ruined my life, etc. Embarrassing.

Where's that Wozzy guy anyway?