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[Deus Irae]

« Winning coach ». What has he won ? Over the years, I’ve noticed you value « winning more than losing ». That’s great. I care much less about « a winning record ». I want to win championships. Arians hasn’t yet and I think he’ll retire w/o one as head coach.

So winning doesn't actually mean winning for you in this case, because it turns your argument to ****.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Is it me or does Gronk seem a little out of shape?

 

[Deus Irae]

Is it me or does Gronk seem a little out of shape?

At the start of camp, he was adjusting to the heat and humidity. Arians called it being in "New England shape" rather than "Florida/Tampa shape". Gronk mentioned his shoes being soaked through by mid-practice because of the heat/humidity.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Notice how Arians talks like he's from the 'hood to his players? Kind of weird.

 

[farn]

So winning doesn't actually mean winning for you in this case, because it turns your argument to ****.

No. Winning less than 70 games and having a 1-2 playoff record isn’t what I consider « a winner ».

He’s had three good regular seasons that tip the scales considerably. In none of those seasons was he able to win a championship. He has a 1-2 playoff record.

He isn’t « a winner ». Your argument : he has more wins than losses in a few NFL seasons. I’m right, you’re wrong.

 

[gobesmug]

Jacoby Brisett, it's your time to shine!

*On paper.

Last year’s Cleveland squad also had few (no) weaknesses. Bad teams find ways to lose. I remain cautious about TBay’s chances.

Except the Bucs aren't a bad team. They have a good HC and Def Coordinator, unlike the Browns had.

They also have the right balance of young talent along with Vets.

The Bucs were also a borderline playoff team last year that lost most of their games by less than 7 points, while their starting QB coughed up 30ints and 12 fumbles.

Much like when Manning saw a very talented team in Denver that only needed a good starting QB plus a few pieces. Brady picked TB for a very similar reason.

TB will at the very least make the playoffs, but I see them making the NFC championship game. From there who knows.

 

[DaBruinz]

dude, I know you have never played this game at any level, so you have no idea what it feels like hit or get hit. Or the difference between a high school hit and a d1 college hit.
Trust me, he can survive a while on his athletic ability, but the hits he is taking now are way more than anything he has ever felt before. The 3 days I was in a pro camp were the hardest hits I ever took in my life on the field.

as for the senior bowl, again 3 days of practice. He can survive on athletic ability.

do I hope Duggar has a good career with us, yes! Do I hope he has that special heart and desire and drive to overcome his less than stellar college competition, yes. But I would feel much better and much rather have McKinney.

I played Football and Hockey in HS and Hockey at the Collegiate level. You're claim that I don't know what its like to be hit is downright laughable.

Trust YOU? Not in a million years.

I could care less about your supposed experience in a Pro Camp. It doesn't mean jack and has ZERO bearing on your inability to judge talent. The only person who you rate above when it comes to "evaluating talent" is Captain stone. If anything, you talking about that in that way makes it sound like jealousy and just is more of a reason to not take you seriously..

I'll take Belichick's decision making over yours . Even with all his mistakes, the fact that he's got 8 rings and having been to the SB 12 times weighs more favorably than your 3 day in "Pro Camp".

People like yourself and Captain Stone who insist on belittling players and making huge deals out of nothing always is good for a laugh.

EDIT: BTW. Guess since McKinney is out for 10-12 weeks, he must suck now by your definitions..

 

[luuked]

Is it me or does Gronk seem a little out of shape?

To be fair it is a difficult climate to play in.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Is it me or does Gronk seem a little out of shape?

The heat in FL is a different kind of heat. Most of these guys, even those who are native to FL, need some time to adjust.

 

[Vindicate]

Is it me or does Gronk seem a little out of shape?

I went in hoping to see any crease in what is, on paper, an amazing offense, and all I saw was a pretty good looking 6'6 TE, who a good deal of us argue is the GOAT TE, catch passes from the GOAT QB.

Thanks for that. Now I get to read more camp summary about *checks notes* Damien Harris.

Don't worry, he'll be in shape - maybe not peak, but more than enough for that offense. I just hope Gronk has gotten over his darker days. Guy seemed very down and depressed towards the end of his tenure here, and his "gotta stay positive, can't think negative" talk harkens back to that. Hope the big guy is okay!

 

[Uptown]

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I went in hoping to see any crease in what is, on paper, an amazing offense, and all I saw was a pretty good looking 6'6 TE, who a good deal of us argue is the GOAT TE, catch passes from the GOAT QB.

Thanks for that. Now I get to read more camp summary about *checks notes* Damien Harris.

Don't worry, he'll be in shape - maybe not peak, but more than enough for that offense. I just hope Gronk has gotten over his darker days. Guy seemed very down and depressed towards the end of his tenure here, and his "gotta stay positive, can't think negative" talk harkens back to that. Hope the big guy is okay!

He just appeared to be huffing and puffing at times in that video...that may have to do with him not playing football for almost 18 months.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Loved his routes. Hope he plays well.

 

[Deus Irae]

No. Winning less than 70 games and having a 1-2 playoff record isn’t what I consider « a winner ».

He’s had three good regular seasons that tip the scales considerably. In none of those seasons was he able to win a championship. He has a 1-2 playoff record.

He isn’t « a winner ». Your argument : he has more wins than losses in a few NFL seasons. I’m right, you’re wrong.

You weren't right about anything. And, next time, try to actually read what I posted. Arians is 56-39 (that would be a winning record), and that's without having a guy like Brady as his QB.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[Patsgofor4]

No. Winning less than 70 games and having a 1-2 playoff record isn’t what I consider « a winner ».

He’s had three good regular seasons that tip the scales considerably. In none of those seasons was he able to win a championship. He has a 1-2 playoff record.

He isn’t « a winner ». Your argument : he has more wins than losses in a few NFL seasons. I’m right, you’re wrong.

*FEWER than 70 games...

 

[Patsgofor4]

Except the Bucs aren't a bad team. They have a good HC and Def Coordinator, unlike the Browns had.

They also have the right balance of young talent along with Vets.

The Bucs were also a borderline playoff team last year that lost most of their games by less than 7 points, while their starting QB coughed up 30ints and 12 fumbles.

Much like when Manning saw a very talented team in Denver that only needed a good starting QB plus a few pieces. Brady picked TB for a very similar reason.

TB will at the very least make the playoffs, but I see them making the NFC championship game. From there who knows.

*FEWER than 7 points....

 

[captain stone]

Notice how Arians talks like he's from the 'hood to his players? Kind of weird.

Ariens is a clown.