NFL to propose to improve a team's draft position if it hires a person of color as HC or GM

[TB_Helmet]

He's a 59% career passer. 59% sucks. He sucks as a passer, and he is getting older meaning he will be less effective as a runner. Not complicated.

Without looking it up, where do you think Cam’s 59.6% ranks on the all time list of career completion percentage leaders? Also, what do you think Tom Brady’s completion percentage is?

 

[IllegalContact]

He's a 59% career passer. 59% sucks. He sucks as a passer, and he is getting older meaning he will be less effective as a runner. Not complicated.

very simplistic view of things.......59% = QB sucks

Brady was 60.8% last year.....he's gone because he's very close to sucking.....he said he would quit when he sucked......which he didn't do

 

[amfootball]

very simplistic view of things.......59% = QB sucks

Brady was 60.8% last year.....he's gone because he's very close to sucking.....he said he would quit when he sucked......which he didn't do

Newton is a career passer of 59%.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Flores got his shot because of the Rooney rule.

Interview, yes. Actually hired because of his skin color I don't think so.

 

[IllegalContact]

Newton is a career passer of 59%.

67.9% in his last full year .... which is a % Brady has achieved only once in his career.....

 

[amfootball]

67.9% in his last full year .... which is a % Brady has achieved only once in his career.....

Then he hurt his throwing shoulder. A shame because he meshed so well with Turner's offense. Just too many hits.

 

[IllegalContact]

Then he hurt his throwing shoulder. A shame because he meshed so well with Turner's offense. Just too many hits.

he's had a year off........if he's healthy, he would be the best QB in the AFC East......now I'm not saying go get him, but the reasoning behind him sucking in this thread is at best complete ignorance

 

[Nunchucks]

Interview, yes. Actually hired because of his skin color I don't think so.

Right, he was interviewed the year before he was hired because of the rooney rule

 

[amfootball]

he's had a year off........if he's healthy, he would be the best QB in the AFC East......now I'm not saying go get him, but the reasoning behind him sucking in this thread is at best complete ignorance

The health is the big thing. That is why Carolina moved on. Really stinks for him because the virus has not let him try out for anyone. I do think if he has a chance to try out for Bill there is a chance we might sign him but I read a report awhile back saying McDaniels is not high on him for whatever reason.

 

[iapatsfan]

You said he couldn’t run anymore. The last time Cam played he ran for nearly .500 yards. and was fine as a runner. This is an example of you using a blanket statement that doesn’t prove anything about the individual we are talking about. In general QB’s over 40 suck. That’s a fact. We kept Tom Brady 3 years in his 40’s.

Yes he averages 59. Eli Manning who had a fine career averaged a few decimal points higher. Andy Dalton got a job with a 62 average passer rating. It’s also a classic case of holding hard to a single stat. Brian Hoyer has a 59% passer rating. There isn’t an intelligent football fan on Earth that would say Cam and Hoyer are in the same league.

Physically Cam was a top 2-3 QB on the market depending on how you felt about Rivers last season. And only Brady has a higher ceiling but he’s also 43 compared to Cam’s 31.

And again restating the outcome isn’t an argument.

Obviously you just don’t like Cam because you started by saying he can’t pass anymore when his last passing year was solid. You said he could no longer run, when the last time he played he could run as good as any QB in the league. You are holding him to an injury year. You are holding him to a completion percentage (not a great stat to begin with) when someone with a 59% completion percentage got a job.

Tom Brady was the only QB on the market with a higher ceiling than Cam. Brady is also over a decade older and his last two seasons were statistically a drop for him. He had a job before he ever even hit the market

I believe I said he is now 31, which means the best days of using his legs are behind him. Combine that with the fact that he has not been very good at passing the football in his career, and it is not very difficult to understand why he's unemployed. He is inaccurate, now coming off injury and he has entered the time in a player's career where pure athleticism starts to fade.

You keep saying "he had a good passing year this one time"...I keep replying with his career stats. Which is a better description of him as a player?

Now you're bringing up Cam's "ceiling" like he's something new to the league. He's 31, and he's a 59% passer. That's his ceiling.

 

[Ring 6]

And I would say that’s not how it should be done or who should be hired.

Let’s take our own team. Steve Belichick’s first coaching job is as an assistant with an NFL team. He got his start around the age of 25 right out of college.

He did not have to make his way into the pros, he did not have to compete with others for a job, and he’s basically a co defensive coordinator with Mayo who is calling plays for an NFL team with 8 years of experience.

For the rest of his life he is going to benefit from that opportunity he was only given because of his father that other people trying to break in will never have. He will also have his father who is highly respected, giving him recommendations if he wants to be a HC.

Sean McVay is a young HC. He also started with an NFL team relatively young. His grandfather was Sean McVay who was a HC and later the GM during the 49’ers dynasty.

Both guys got incredible opportunities right out the gate because of who they were related to and then later had those people backing them their entire careers.

That is not equal opportunity

Wow. I don’t know where to begin.
Those guys were hired into grunt jobs and earned their way up the ladder. They started among 100s at the same level and earned their way up.
What is your answer? Anyone who knows a football coach is barred from the profession?

 

[iapatsfan]

Without looking it up, where do you think Cam’s 59.6% ranks on the all time list of career completion percentage leaders? Also, what do you think Tom Brady’s completion percentage is?

Don't care about all time as the league has changed drastically. Tell me where he ranks relative to his peers now.

I already know Brady's. I looked it up in a previous thread to see how much it dropped last year. He's around 64%. That is a massive difference.

 

[iapatsfan]

very simplistic view of things.......59% = QB sucks

Brady was 60.8% last year.....he's gone because he's very close to sucking.....he said he would quit when he sucked......which he didn't do

Yes, Brady had a relatively poor season last year, and if he had played worse than that for his entire career, he wouldn't be Tom Brady. He'd be Cam Newton as a passer.

 

[iapatsfan]

67.9% in his last full year .... which is a % Brady has achieved only once in his career.....

Now we're taking single seasons over a career's worth of evidence. Keep it coming...this is getting good.

 

[Ring 6]

67.9% in his last full year .... which is a % Brady has achieved only once in his career.....

Because he dumped off to mccaffrey 120 times.
Are you saying you believe that cam
Newton is an accurate passer from the pocket, compared to other nfl starting QBs?

 

[iapatsfan]

he's had a year off........if he's healthy, he would be the best QB in the AFC East......now I'm not saying go get him, but the reasoning behind him sucking in this thread is at best complete ignorance

Ignorance would be saying a 31 year old QB who completed less than 60% of his passes in 6 of his 9 seasons would automatically be the best QB in the East.

 

[lancerman]

Wow. I don’t know where to begin.
Those guys were hired into grunt jobs and earned their way up the ladder. They started among 100s at the same level and earned their way up.
What is your answer? Anyone who knows a football coach is barred from the profession?

You are full of it. You think if you decided you wanted to be a coach right now your first job would be as an assistant on an NFL team? How about a division 1 NCAA team.

No you’d be lucky to find a high school that would let you help out.

It’s complete crap to say they started at the bottom. Pure ignorance. Borderline disqualifying opinion

 

[lancerman]

I believe I said he is now 31, which means the best days of using his legs are behind him. Combine that with the fact that he has not been very good at passing the football in his career, and it is not very difficult to understand why he's unemployed. He is inaccurate, now coming off injury and he has entered the time in a players career where pure athleticism starts to fade.

You keep saying "he had a good passing year this one time"...I keep replying with his career stats. Which is a better description of him as a player.

Now you're bringing up Cam's "ceiling" like he's something new to the league. He's 31, and he's a 59% passer. That's his ceiling.

You don’t know what a ceiling is if you are using an average to describe it lol

 

[lancerman]

Let’s do a little expertise. Brian Hoyer has a career has a 59% completion percentage.

Does anyone think he can win an MVP?

Does anyone think he can be the driving force towards a SB appearance?

Does anyone think he was ever viewed as a top QB in the league?

Does anyone think there is a single NFL coach or GM that thinks Hoyer is relatively in the same ballpark as Newton?

So.... why is this stat the definitive stat for him

 

[TB_Helmet]

Don't care about all time as the league has changed drastically. Tell me where he ranks relative to his peers now.

I already know Brady's. I looked it up in a previous thread to see how much it dropped last year. He's around 64%. That is a massive difference.

It’s not a massive difference. It works out to about 1.5 more completions per game for Brady relative to Newton. That’s a rounding error.

FWIW Cam’s completion percentage puts him 56th all time on the career leaders. Perfectly fine regardless of the era.

Say what you will about Cam but dying on the hill of completion percentage is laughable.