NFL to propose to improve a team's draft position if it hires a person of color as HC or GM

[iapatsfan]

He said he was open to a backup role, though. And unless you can tell me what teams he's actually turned down, you don't know the situation any better than I do, yet you assume you do.

Is 59% a good completion percentage for an NFL QB in 2020?

Weirdly enough both Cam and the bum Kaepernick are career 59% passers.

Strange

 

[Whitt25]

This could be the most ignorant post I have read in this forum.

I know, right? More ignorant than saying Dalton and Fitzpatrick are better than Cam.

Ah, wait. That was you. Didn't I stop responding to you a while ago? Why are you still replying? Or did you think your 59% completion post was so good you needed to type it again? Dalton has a slightly higher percentage, Fitzpatrick, too, but they also both throw more than Cam, and have more INTs. Cam rushes A LOT. Or did you forget? 58 rushing TDs. You combine that with passing TDs and that's 240 altogether. For Dalton, that's 226.

I won't be responding to you again. Just a heads-up.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I break down the game quite often actually.

So you are telling me that it is your belief that NFL teams hire head coaches knowing they are not the mist qualified guy?
That they fail on purpose? And it’s due to racism.
Which current HCs do you identify as being hired only because they are white, and we selected over a clearly more highly qualified black coach? Let’s out the racist owners since there are countless examples.
Hey you are entitled to your opinion but that is quite a bizarre one.

I've never seen you break down anything. Film, players, nothing. Under Andy or this new account you just started using. Idk maybe you have a 3rd account you use?

And yes teams hire guys they're most comfortable not the most qualified. See Jason Garrett, Rex Ryan, Adam Gase, Jeff Fisher ... I could go on but this is common knowledge. And it's not just exclusive to football. You see it everywhere. Being the best doesn't mean you get the job.

 

[Ring 6]

I've never seen you break down anything. Film, players, nothing. Under Andy or this new account you just started using. Idk maybe you have a 3rd account you use?

And yes teams hire guys they're most comfortable not the most qualified. See Jason Garrett, Rex Ryan, Adam Gase, Jeff Fisher ... I could go on but this is common knowledge. And it's not just exclusive to football. You see it everywhere. Being the best doesn't mean you get the job.

Then you should pay more attention.


None of those hires were teams choosing to not hire the best qualified coach. It is by no means common knowledge that they felt there was someone better and just didn’t care.
What does “comfortable” even mean? It’s a BS way of making up a fallacy.
In each of those cases those teams believed that was the best coach for their team at the time.

 

[iapatsfan]

I know, right? More ignorant than saying Dalton and Fitzpatrick are better than Cam.

Ah, wait. That was you. Didn't I stop responding to you a while ago? Why are you still replying? Or did you think your 59% completion post was so good you needed to type it again? Dalton has a slightly higher percentage, Fitzpatrick, too, but they also both throw more than Cam, and have more INTs. Cam rushes A LOT. Or did you forget? 58 rushing TDs. You combine that with passing TDs and that's 240 altogether. For Dalton, that's 226.

I won't be responding to you again. Just a heads-up.

You're relying on the rushing ability of a player entering his 30's?

Let me get this right...he's an inaccurate passer, coming off a shoulder injury, entering his 30's, and we're wondering why he remains unsigned?

Let's also not forget the tremendous effort and leadership he showed by heroically diving after that fumble vs the Broncos. The kind of guy everybody wants to play with.


You're bright

 

[catent]

What does the percent of players have to do with the race of coaches?

Coaches are hired and paid to do one thing, win football games. When we think about the skills required to be a successful coach, does the percent of NFL players that are black have anything to do with the skills required?

Generally those who have participated in, and are intimately aware of a given industry, are likely to be interested in staying involved with it, and often have the skills and expertise to succeed within the industry from another angle.

Top 26 Former NFL Players Turned Coaches - this list is interesting to look at.

The most important skills required to be a head coach aren’t really related to playing.

The absolute #1 skill necessary to be successful is organizational skills. An NFL head coach has to hire the right team that will implement his philosophy & vision. That includes position coaches, strength coaches, cooks, equipment managers, medical team, etc. It’s definitely not teaching playing skills.

There is a distinction between a general manager and a head coach, and what exactly that role looks like from organization to organization will vary.

You're in no position to say with certainty what the "absolute #1 skill" for a head coach in the NFL is, because that will vary depending on who you ask.

Your notion that teaching players techniques and skills is never the top priority trait in a coach seems slightly absurd. Again, this will depend on who is hiring and what they are looking for.

What do Belichick and Saban often preach? Things along the lines of, 'you've got to know your technique, you've got to be fundamentally sound, and you've got to do it the right way on a consistent basis'.

All coaches teach, but it’s not the most important quality of a Head Coach. It’s really everything it takes to get a team to believe in his system and to play selflessly to achieve their common goal...which is to win and win consistently

You'd be well-served to speak less generally and broadly, and give space for others to share their respective experiences rather than relying your own assumptions. You make broad, sweeping definitive/concrete statements all the time, which will never be true in every instance because the world and people are nuanced and complex.

Your perceptions, assumptions, and experiences are not indicative of others' experiences; your experiences are only a reflection of, well, your experiences, which are totally legitimate and fine to share ... but have the awareness to realize that doesn't extend beyond yourself in every instance.

 

[iapatsfan]

That is a different question. I answered your actual question. More black people in positions of power in the league is what people want. That's what you asked. It is a reasonable goal, but it is also reasonable that the exact number could be up for debate, or even left unspecified. I think using the demographics of the league, rather than of the US population, seems a fair starting point for purposes of debate. But like I said, it doesn't matter. I don't have to give you an exact number. I can be happy watching you get red in the face at the thought of more black people in positions of power.

Since you're speaking on behalf of "what people want", who is asking for "more black people in positions of power"? I thought we weren't supposed to consider color of skin when making hiring decisions. Isn't that the goal? Can you ask the "people" for whom you're speaking?

 

[PatriotsReign]

Generally those who have participated in, and are intimately aware of a given industry, are likely to be interested in staying involved with it, and often have the skills and expertise to succeed within the industry from another angle.

Top 26 Former NFL Players Turned Coaches - this list is interesting to look at.



There is a distinction between a general manager and a head coach, and what exactly that role looks like from organization to organization will vary.

You're in no position to say with certainty what the "absolute #1 skill" for a head coach in the NFL is, because that will vary depending on who you ask.

Your notion that teaching players techniques and skills is never the top priority trait in a coach seems slightly absurd. Again, this will depend on who is hiring and what they are looking for.

What do Belichick and Saban often preach? Things along the lines of, 'you've got to know your technique, you've got to be fundamentally sound, and you've got to do it the right way on a consistent basis'.



You'd be well-served to speak less generally and broadly, and give space for others to share their respective experiences rather than relying your own assumptions. You make broad, sweeping definitive/concrete statements all the time, which will never be true in every instance because the world and people are nuanced and complex.

Your perceptions, assumptions, and experiences are not indicative of others' experiences; your experiences are only a reflection of, well, your experiences, which are totally legitimate and fine to share ... but have the awareness to realize that doesn't extend beyond yourself in every instance.

I’m fairly certain everyone here realizes that anything we post is our opinion. The main point I was making is that head coach is nothing like being a position coach or offense/defense coach.

most of the coaches teaching technique are those coaches. I was trying to show/explain that head coaching is nothing like what the other coaches do

Good teaching coaches are very common, but good head coaches aren’t.

As an example, When Brady was young, Belichick was not telling him his throwing motion was wrong, he’d tell him he needed to make quicker decisions.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The proposal, conversation, idea or whatever term youd like to use is racist.

In terms of the Gods. I cannot be blunt and come right out and state the truth. 2 states have immense power over the remainder if this country. A smaht man like yourself should be able to add 1 plus 1 and come up with 2. Use your toes if need be.

New York and California are proportionately underrepresesented in this country, as are any other populous states, Massachusetts included. You know this.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Great players rarely make great coaches (in any sport, aside from Wrestling) mainly because they can’t deal with players who don’t have the drive to win that they had.

A few exceptions to this axiom, Bill Russell, was a player/coach his last 3 seasons and won 2 titles. Russell never gets the credit he deserves for his greatness, and his mental approach to the game.

Ozzie Newsome by any measure was a Great GM.

Usually it’s the lunch pail guys like Vrabel, Francona, Torre, etc. that turn out to be a better coach than a player.

The problem is being a NFL coach is a tremendous grind, and a lot of guys don’t want to do that kind of work after their playing careers are over.

I think the bigger issue is in college, where there is a criminal lack of black coaches at the top schools. So before you call the rich white guys that own NFL teams racists, consider the liberal darlings that run those institutions.

Of course black players could choose to fix this problem themselves if they refused to sign to play for a white coach in college.

 

[Ring 6]

You hire the guy not the resume.

Pretty ironic that people arguing there is an old boy network and that’s an awful thing disagree with a post that says you hire the best man even if he doesn’t have the resume yet.

 

[IllegalContact]

This could be the most ignorant post I have read in this forum.

you obviously don’t read your own posts

 

[Brewskies]

3 black coaches=9.3 percent of the head Coaching population

African American population=13.5 percent.






very strong claim without any real evidence

Sorry, I got your post wrong. I do have evidence. Look at today's teams. Also, why would the NFL propose to incent the owners with draft picks or positions if they didnt think it wasn't a potential problem?

 

[Brewskies]

Since the number has been higher more often than not in recent years, and no one can point to an egregious case of a qualified minorities being overlooked, I’d say no that’s not the case.

No one in the NFL or Sport will talk about this NFL subject.

 

[Calhoun44]

Why?

38.7% is roughly the percentage of minorities in this country. Seems like an attainable goal. Why the heck not?

 

[Ring 6]

No one will talk about this subject

Right because facts are the enemy of identity politics.

 

[iapatsfan]

you obviously don’t read your own posts

Brilliant

 

[Ring 6]

38.7% is roughly the percentage of minorities in this country. Seems like an attainable goal. Why the heck not?

Thank you for being the first person to actually give an answer.
So 13.4% black, 15.6% Hispanic and about 9-10% other groups.
I would suggest that it appears Hispanic and “other groups” don’t appear to be interested in football as much as white and black so there would be fewer interested candidates.
If we were to take that into account, because there isn’t a lot you can do about it, that would leave about 62% to 13% or 4.77:1 so a target of 5-6 black hc to 26-27 white HCs being “normal”.
That seems like a reasonable yardstick.

 

[Brewskies]

Since the number has been higher more often than not in recent years, and no one can point to an egregious case of qualified minorities being overlooked, I’d say no that’s not the case.

Just because it is not openly talked about doesn't mean it is not happening. We are only talking about it now. The NFL is proposing to change the rules with a solution about it. Status Quo can't prevail. Are you positive, so much so, you would bet your car that there hasn't been an egregious case of a qualified minority being overlooked? I'll take that bet.

 

[Brewskies]

Right because facts are the enemy of identity politics.

What facts?