Comp picks announced: We got 4

[jah]

The comp pick thing is just incredibly overrated in respect to the difference it's made. It's sort of taken as a point of religion that it's Belichick playing 4-dimensional chess, but the actual returns of his supposedly brilliant strategy have been negligible.

I don't think anyone's made the claim that it's the sole reason for the team's success. It's just one of many small things he does which cumulatively give the Patriots an edge over most teams, and is appreciated as such because we managed to identify it.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

What good would a sixth round comp pick ever do for the Pats??

 

[scott99]

So, we now have picks:

#23 (1)
#87 (3)
#98 (3)
#100 (3)
#125 (4)
#129 (4)
#163 (5)
#195 (6)
#204 (6)
#212 (6)
#213 (6)
#230 (7)
#235 (7)
#241 (7)

Yup, we are gonna be players in the NFL draft...we cannot use all of those 6's and 7's......

I’m glad we have three 3’s. That gives ammo to trade UP to the 2nd. I’m tired of all the talk by fans about trading down #23 to get 2nd round picks. Take the ****ing pick at #23, there’s gonna be GREAT talent at 23. If there’s a guy you must have in round 2, trade two 3’s.

Having picks in every round in the first 4 rounds would be great, but they need to NOT trade down. Trade UP !

Now with the 6’s, trade UP, not out to next year. This team is still very good. Obviously free agency is huge, and will make the draft situations different from what they are now. Right now, they need to hit a home run in the 2020 draft. If they add an Austin Hooper in FA, and add a receiver, they can take BPA at 23. IF they whiff in FA, they MUST draft a TE (preferably 2) and a top notch WR (most likely 1st round). QB ? Depends on Brady. If he goes, they probably have to draft their franchise QB at 23 (or maybe trade up).

 

[primetime]

I don't think anyone's made the claim that it's the sole reason for the team's success. It's just one of many small things he does which cumulatively give the Patriots an edge over most teams, and is appreciated as such because we managed to identify it.

I didn't say anyone said it was the sole reason for the team's success, but I am saying the actual outcome of the perceived "edge" (which is trumpeted here and everywhere as proof of the team's brilliance) has not really materialized if you actually examine the returns. This just barely matters at all.

 

[DarrylS]

Amidst all this glee there is the looming shadow of "Bullsh&t Gate" and how will Rogah punish the Patriots..

OTOH do not understand why that investigation is taking so long...

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Nobody works the compensation draft picks like BB. Either all in on comp picks or free agent pick-up bonanza

And is anyone else somewhat relived we have no second rounders? For some reason it doesn't bother me tremendously.

 

[mikey m]

I’m glad we have three 3’s. That gives ammo to trade UP to the 2nd. I’m tired of all the talk by fans about trading down #23 to get 2nd round picks. Take the ****ing pick at #23, there’s gonna be GREAT talent at 23. If there’s a guy you must have in round 2, trade two 3’s.

Having picks in every round in the first 4 rounds would be great, but they need to NOT trade down. Trade UP !

Now with the 6’s, trade UP, not out to next year. This team is still very good. Obviously free agency is huge, and will make the draft situations different from what they are now. Right now, they need to hit a home run in the 2020 draft. If they add an Austin Hooper in FA, and add a receiver, they can take BPA at 23. IF they whiff in FA, they MUST draft a TE (preferably 2) and a top notch WR (most likely 1st round). QB ? Depends on Brady. If he goes, they probably have to draft their franchise QB at 23 (or maybe trade up).

Really hoping we grab a TE in FA or via trade. This TE rookie class is weak.

 

[Clonamery]

I didn't say anyone said it was the sole reason for the team's success, but I am saying the actual outcome of the perceived "edge" (which is trumpeted here and everywhere as proof of the team's brilliance) has not really materialized if you actually examine the returns. This just barely matters at all.

All resources matter.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

So, we now have picks:

#23 (1)
#87 (3)
#98 (3)
#100 (3)
#125 (4)
#129 (4)
#163 (5)
#195 (6)
#204 (6)
#212 (6)
#213 (6)
#230 (7)
#235 (7)
#241 (7)

Yup, we are gonna be players in the NFL draft...we cannot use all of those 6's and 7's......

You’ve got too many picks. They’ve traded some of them away already, and have moved down some slots in the process. Full list here: Patriots’ 2020 NFL Draft Picks Now Finalized; Here’s The Complete List

 

[venecol]

So, we now have picks:

#23 (1)
#87 (3)
#98 (3)
#100 (3)
#125 (4)
#129 (4)
#163 (5)
#195 (6)
#204 (6)
#212 (6)
#213 (6)
#230 (7)
#235 (7)
#241 (7)

Yup, we are gonna be players in the NFL draft...we cannot use all of those 6's and 7's......

Major Fail.

 

[Pape]

I didn't say anyone said it was the sole reason for the team's success, but I am saying the actual outcome of the perceived "edge" (which is trumpeted here and everywhere as proof of the team's brilliance) has not really materialized if you actually examine the returns. This just barely matters at all.

The ability to trade comp picks has made them more valuable.... It remains to be seen whether or not something good comes from them... They are invaluable imo for filling out roster depth by either a draft pick or a trade.

 

[primetime]

All resources matter.

Only if you use them well.

 

[supafly]

Thuney maybe. Brady can only bring in a 5th as he’s a 10 year veteran.

Also, isn’t this system in jeopardy for next year due to the possibility of the new CBA, or am I just completely making that up?

 

[supafly]

Amidst all this glee there is the looming shadow of "Bullsh&t Gate" and how will Rogah punish the Patriots..

OTOH do not understand why that investigation is taking so long...

Everyday, I expect some type of news for both the Pats and the Red Sox, and yet both leagues seem to be dragging their heels.

 

[BelizePats]

In theory, this particular timeframe should help enormously when it comes to the comp picks.
We are in the midst of a three-year stretch where we will have an additional 5-6 picks in the Top 100 over a three-year stretch. This is a huge advantage to depth and if managed properly, it should be creating a significant competitive advantage. We had two 3rd rounders in 2019, we have two 3rd rounders for this draft and will have at least one (Thuney) for 2021 and possibly another.

Managing this resource properly is critical.

 

[supafly]

Also, isn’t this system in jeopardy for next year due to the possibility of the new CBA, or am I just completely making that up?

So, it looks like the potential of a new system shouldn’t affect the team’s philosophy all that much.

Compensatory draft pick system to be revised under proposed CBA - ProFootballTalk

 

[Sicilian]

Only if you use them well.

True, but using them well doesn't always equate to "That particular resource was used to pick a good player". As someone else pointed out, if having extra picks makes it safer to gamble on a few high risk, high reward players, and you end up with a superstar out of it, does it matter if the comp pick itself produced a bust? None of the team building resources, be they picks, cap room, or intangibles can be really valued in a vacuum (though I understand it makes for a pretty boring conversation if we don't try).

 

[The Brandon Five]

Everyday, I expect some type of news for both the Pats and the Red Sox, and yet both leagues seem to be dragging their heels.

The league needs to hold off on announcing the loss of draft picks until the day of the draft so as to cause the maximum disruption to the team's draft plan.

 

[mgteich]

I didn't say anyone said it was the sole reason for the team's success, but I am saying the actual outcome of the perceived "edge" (which is trumpeted here and everywhere as proof of the team's brilliance) has not really materialized if you actually examine the returns. This just barely matters at all.

I guess having an extra pick or 2 or 4 each season might not matter much. If that is the case, then we aren't doing a good job at drafting. I do believe that Bill pays attention to comp picks and e have more picks as a result.

 

[Deus Irae]

True, but using them well doesn't always equate to "That particular resource was used to pick a good player". As someone else pointed out, if having extra picks makes it safer to gamble on a few high risk, high reward players, and you end up with a superstar out of it, does it matter if the comp pick itself produced a bust?

Yes


And when's the last time that having extra picks resulted in the Patriots gambling on a high risk/high reward player, and hitting on a superstar?