The Tom Brady rumor thread

[Love The Drake]

To these folks that say they won't be fans of the team... where were they when they showed Milloy, Bruschi, Seymour and Willie the door?



I would like to find out how Belichick handled LT his last year in NY. BB was lucky enough to be in Cleveland for LT's final two years, so he didn't have to deal with it per se. I am confident that, knowing how BB showed Bernie Kosar the door in Cleveland, it probably would have been the same. My point is this... you are right, he only cares about the success of the 2020 Patriots. We can all sit here and think that Tom is their best chance and all that, but Bill is the one who knows what he really has in a 43yr old Tom Brady.

For the record, I think Tom has earned the right to be here, and get a fat pay check for everything he's done for the organization. Unfortunately, Belichick doesn't work that way, and that's what has made this run possible: his unfeeling, uncaring, lack of nostalgia for great players.

This times 1000

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't. No time for emotions. This is business

And from a business standpoint, who gives you the best chance to win in 2020? Tom Brady with more weapons in the passing game, Jarrett Stidham with more weapons in the passing game, a draft pick (let’s say Love/Herbert/Fromm/whoever), or another FA?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Pats woulda, coulda and probably shoulda given Brady a 2 or maybe 3 year deal at the last go round.
They didn't.
It's in the 20-20 hindsight rear view mirror of the unalterable past.
I have no idea of what the right team decision is re:TFB going forward. Dunno how BB and Josh view his skills vis-a-vis the TEAM that they think they can build for the next 2 seasons. Their view and Tom's buy in, or not, drives what will happen. We don't know the significant parameters that drive Tom's buy-in, contract, supporting staff, whatever...
Meanwhile like any fact driven vs emotion driven management Pats are correctly waiting to see if the CBA is resolved or not pre 4PM 18 March.

 

[PatsWSB47]

So I think Brady is being coy in part on order be hard to get in order to drive his price up. He might be enjoying some of the attention and trolling the media. So? I'm not offended. Sure I'd like to know right now what hes going to wind up doing but lets all take a breath for crying out loud. We'll know soon.

 

[neuronet]

There doesn't have to be a bad guy here. They are two self-interested parties trying to do what is best for themselves, and this is what we should expect. Do you think Belichick is going to suddenly start valuing sentimentality over economics and results? Would anyone want him to? Brady is acting a little different, as he has definitely taken a huge pay cut in previous years, but can anyone blame him for wanting to maximize his chances of getting another ring as well as looking out for his economic interests? It will all settle out. It is a complicated negotiation that will take some time, with lots of parties involved outside of Brady and Belichick (e.g., the Titans). My advice is enjoy the offseason and look at the thread on amazing Patriot games we have had so damned many over the past 20 years it is almost unbelievable.

 

[Steve102]

And from a business standpoint, who gives you the best chance to win in 2020? Tom Brady with more weapons in the passing game, Jarrett Stidham with more weapons in the passing game, a draft pick (let’s say Love/Herbert/Fromm/whoever), or another FA?

That's the question, isn't it? We can all sit here on our couches and think it's Tom. Meanwhile, Bill could be looking at film, losing his mind that Tom threw it to Jules in double coverage instead of a reasonably open Sanu/Harry/Meyers, who had all lost the QBs trust for whatever reason.

I want Tom back, and I really don't give a chit if they go 5-11 with him. We can then go "ok, that didn't work". I'd rather he was here than someplace else. Belichick isn't about to do that, however.

Like Joker said, I just want the media circus to be over already.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I honestly believe Bill is evaluating Tom strictly on 2019 performance and what 2020 and possibly 2021 he will be.

That damned well better be what Belichick is doing. His job is to do what he believes is best for the team, not to give players or fans warm fuzzies for past performance.

 

[RobertWeathers]

To these folks that say they won't be fans of the team... where were they when they showed Milloy, Bruschi, Seymour and Willie the door?



I would like to find out how Belichick handled LT his last year in NY. BB was lucky enough to be in Cleveland for LT's final two years, so he didn't have to deal with it per se. I am confident that, knowing how BB showed Bernie Kosar the door in Cleveland, it probably would have been the same. My point is this... you are right, he only cares about the success of the 2020 Patriots. We can all sit here and think that Tom is their best chance and all that, but Bill is the one who knows what he really has in a 43yr old Tom Brady.

For the record, I think Tom has earned the right to be here, and get a fat pay check for everything he's done for the organization. Unfortunately, Belichick doesn't work that way, and that's what has made this run possible: his unfeeling, uncaring, lack of nostalgia for great players.

Yep and that cutthroat, shrewdness is why they have 6 Super Bowls.

If they had MIA cap space I'd be on board with throwing Tom a couple Xtra bucks but they don't.

 

[Tunescribe]

Did the Pats behave with grace and class by letting him hit FA when he went to 4 of the last 6 Superbowls and won 3?!?!?

Actually, they did behave with grace and class by honoring Brady's request not to be franchised and explore free agency. Aside from that, "rewarding" players retroactively isn't much of a thing in the NFL, especially with the Patriots -- it's all about what a player can offer in the next season.

 

[RobertWeathers]

And from a business standpoint, who gives you the best chance to win in 2020? Tom Brady with more weapons in the passing game, Jarrett Stidham with more weapons in the passing game, a draft pick (let’s say Love/Herbert/Fromm/whoever), or another FA?

He'll do what's best for the football team and you'll get nothing and like it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That damned well better be what Belichick is doing. His job is to do what he believes is best for the team, not to give players or fans warm fuzzies for past performance.

I see no reason why he would deviate from his philosophy. Not for Tom. Not for anyone.

I know fans hate it and sometimes I do as well but it's the right approach to this situation

 

[Kontradiction]

He'll do what's best for the football team and you'll get nothing and like it.

Nice. I’ll get the equivalent of what he won as a head coach before Brady.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He'll do what's best for the football team and you'll get nothing and like it.

I want a hamburger... no, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake.

 

[borg]

I honestly believe Bill is evaluating Tom strictly on 2019 performance and what 2020 and possibly 2021 he will be.

Bill has to be squirming if he feels he is being leveraged to give a 20% raise to a QB that connected with targets only 60% of the time....especially given his offense is predicated on high % passes to RBs and WRs who hover around the LOS to receive the highest % passes.

Brady was a 55% passer when targeting veterans Gordon, Dorsett, Sanu

Targeting neophytes’ Harry and Meyers was surprisingly better....58%

JE ...65%

Brady is not exempt from scrutiny

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Bill has to be squirming if he feels he is being leveraged to give a 20% raise to a QB that connected with targets only 60% of the time....especially given his offense is predicated on high % passes to RBs and WRs who hover around the LOS to receive the highest % passes.

Cool story, bro.

 

[zimmy]

Last year Bill didn't want to give a 42 year old QB a multi year deal (understandably in my view). It seems logical that he is even less likely to do so now for a 43 year old (when the season starts). Bill doesn't trust that Brady will be a top tier QB after this year (probably injury more than skill)

The question is therefore whether Brady will accept a one year deal along with a commitment from BB to find some weapons for him. The answer seems to come down to trust on both sides.
Tom (probably rightly) doesn't trust Bill to put him out with the trash after the season and doesn't feel he should have to keep justifying his performance each year. Yet this is the basis of Bill's Patriot Way - you need to keep justifying your performance and salary. That is his strength - he treats all his players the same, even Brady.

Is there a way to overcome this gap? Maybe but I'm not convinced. I'm fairly sure BB thinks he can win with another guy. Tom looks the most likely to give in and come back if his market is soft, but I think he might have had enough of Bill's schtick.

 

[Kontradiction]

Bill has to be squirming if he feels he is being leveraged to give a 20% raise to a QB that connected with targets only 60% of the time....especially given his offense is predicated on high % passes to RBs and WRs who hover around the LOS to receive the highest % passes.

The team had perhaps the worst WR corps in the NFL after Week 4, led by Edelman who had more injuries than a military hospital in Iraq in 2007, to go along with what was undoubtedly the ****tiest TE corps in the entire league. Who, exactly, should he have been throwing the football to? And tell me more about his numbers in the first four weeks of the season when the WRs didn’t suck according to every measurable metric. The team was bereft of talent on that side of the ball. They were bereft of talent because they’ve whiffed horribly on their early draft picks for the most part going back to 2014. But sure, let’s fault the QB for that instead of the guy picking the groceries. Thanks for the brain damaged take.

 

[Boomer B]

Bill has to be squirming if he feels he is being leveraged to give a 20% raise to a QB that connected with targets only 60% of the time....especially given his offense is predicated on high % passes to RBs and WRs who hover around the LOS to receive the highest % passes.

Brady was a 55% passer when targeting veterans Gordon, Dorsett, Sanu

Targeting neophytes’ Harry and Meyers was surprising better....58%

JE ...65%

Brady is not exempt from scrutiny

Interesting...so when he targets a quality receiver it’s 65%.....hmmm....maybe we need more quality targets?

 

[fnordcircle]

Part of the problem is that some, like myself, probably put Brady on something of a pedestal, thinking that he was “better” than the average selfish athlete or movie star, and lately that’s just not as obvious.

If deciding that your current working situation isn't working for you under the current parameters is selfish then leaving any job makes you a selfish ahole, if I'm reading your logic right.

 

[Tony2046]

The team had perhaps the worst WR corps in the NFL after Week 4, led by Edelman who had more injuries than a military hospital in Iraq in 2007, to go along with what was undoubtedly the ****tiest TE corps in the entire league. Who, exactly, should he have been throwing the football to? And tell me more about his numbers in the first four weeks of the season when the WRs didn’t suck according to every measurable metric. The team was bereft of talent on that side of the ball. They were bereft of talent because they’ve whiffed horribly on their early draft picks for the most part going back to 2014. But sure, let’s fault the QB for that instead of the guy picking the groceries. Thanks for the brain damaged take.

Not to mention the injury riddled Oline/Fullback situation.