Giving up in the First Half

[luuked]

According to your idiotic logic, if there’s 2:00 left in the game and a team is on defense and needs the ball back, they should just save their timeouts for the offense. After all, it “doesn’t matter,” right??

Maybe someday you’ll learn how completely non-sensical and idiotic that strategy is.

Again. Someone explain to me what the difference between 2 TOs with 1:40 and 3 TOs with 0:57 is. Seriously.

They attempted to move the ball, instead they moved backwards. If they had moved forward they would have had enough timeouts and time to get into scoring range.

57 seconds and three timeouts is more than enough time to do anything unless you don't gain any yardage. But at least then you already have the clock wound for the opponent to not do much either.

Use the TO at 1:40 and get the same negative play on first down and Miami has a shot at getting another shot. Is that so hard to understand ?

There is no net difference between using it before or after IF you actually get a positive play.

 

[JayNM]

The negative play is additional information. The wound clock means the Dolphins will not be able to do anything with it. I know it might be too complicated to understand for fantasy level morons like you.

LOL

You don't understand ANYTHING of Game Theory and it shows boi

Yes, it is additional information. Is it additional information THAT COULD NOT BE GET BY USING A TIMEOUT BEFORE?

NO.

So we lost time to get something we could've obtained AT ANY POINT. AND STILL GET MORE INFORMATION (OR YARDS).

To maybe school you, although you clearly aren't capable of learning because whenever someone is right, you just go up your high-horse:

Had we used a timeout - WE STILL COULD HAVE RUN a Draw play and still get the same results and your "information". YES. We could've run this play and get this information MANY TIMES Even.

The point that you refuse to understand is that we could have gained A LOT MORE INFORMATION AND YARDS by playing more snaps. That is the point.


If you want to win this argument by using Game Theory, you need to first understand what you are talking about, son. You are

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

That is true as well. But giving them 0% odds of scoring and going into half at worst at a draw is better than the alternative. Who is to say they didn't have another trick play ready to get into FG range ?

Yeah I think a lot of us understand this. You're playing mitigation -- run it to be safe, using clock, and if you don't get a first after two rushes you let it expire and the other team gets no shot at points.

As has been reminded, between the 2 teams, we were the only one to actually score a touchdown up to that point. Theirs was a boneheaded gift from Brady, otherwise they have 3 points. Who's to say we didnt have any plays up our sleeves? You're essentially crediting a miami offense that had yards, but only 3 points to show for all that effort, while discounting NE, being the only team to actually find the endzone to that point.

My last point on the subject, we all knew how important this game was, and to play so safe in a game like this with a bye on the line is what is disappointing, not a stupid plan, just disappointing. It felt like a real opportunity for at least 3, but we played scared of a miami offense that couldnt find the endzone so far. Whatever, it is what it is.

 

[JayNM]

The negative play is additional information. The wound clock means the Dolphins will not be able to do anything with it. I know it might be too complicated to understand for fantasy level morons like you. Go play Madden.

Also, 100%. You have no idea what you talking... It's absurd

I know you are just an idiot when you are actually defending a point is clearly wrong, but THROUGH GAME THEORY, you are trying to prove you shouldn't antecipate a decision

MY GOD.

GO READ. STOP PLAYING MADDEN

 

[PatsFan2]

Apparently BB didn't think this Team could use an extra weeks rest. So let's play not to win gift the Chiefs the bye week because they have more holes than we do.

 

[XLIX]

Again. Someone explain to me what the difference between 2 TOs with 1:40 and 3 TOs with 0:57 is. Seriously.

Seriously. I’m not going to explain football strategy that even the typical 3rd grader understands.

They attempted to move the ball, instead they moved backwards. If they had moved forward they would have had enough timeouts and time to get into scoring range.

57 seconds and three timeouts is more than enough time to do anything unless you don't gain any yardage. But at least then you already have the clock wound for the opponent to not do much either.

Use the TO at 1:40 and get the same negative play on first down and Miami has a shot at getting another shot. Is that so hard to understand ?

And why are you so terrified of Miami getting another shot? So much of your argument rests on how poorly NE’s offense was playing and yet Miami’s was playing even worse up to that point in the game.

There is no net difference between using it before or after IF you actually get a positive play.

Yes there is. It doesn’t take a team 40 seconds to line up and get the next play going. There’s a reason it’s called the “hurry up offense” and not the “it doesn’t matter offense because 40 seconds will come off the clock no matter what we do.”

 

[JayNM]

Seriously. I’m not going to explain football strategy that even the typical 3rd grader understands.
And why are you so terrified of Miami getting another shot? So much of your argument rests on how poorly NE’s offense was playing and yet Miami’s was playing even worse up to that point in the game.

Yes there is. It doesn’t take a team 40 seconds to line up and get the next play going. There’s a reason it’s called the “hurry up offense” and not the “it doesn’t matter offense because 40 seconds will come off the clock no matter what we do.”

He doesn't answer to points he's wrong.

He goes on a limb trying to adapt his reality to ONE line you say.

He's straight up dumb, no matter how much time he loses jerking off to "analysis" on the twitter feed to make him feel smart on football

 

[luuked]

Seriously. I’m not going to explain football strategy that even the typical 3rd grader understands.
And why are you so terrified of Miami getting another shot? So much of your argument rests on how poorly NE’s offense was playing and yet Miami’s was playing even worse up to that point in the game.

Yes there is. It doesn’t take a team 40 seconds to line up and get the next play going. There’s a reason it’s called the “hurry up offense” and not the “it doesn’t matter offense because 40 seconds will come off the clock no matter what we do.”

So you got nothing. Cool.

 

[JayNM]

So you got nothing. Cool.

Lol

you are one dumb guy on a mighty high horse

 

[libra957]

To be honest I didn't think they were going to score anyway.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

No they didn't. What is this idiotic narrative ?

They had 3 TOs and about a minute to get at least into FG range. Please plot it out for me what the difference is between taking the TO there and taking it after a first successful play except for leaving next to no time for the other team on the clock ?

What about their passing attack gave you the impression they could be successful without giving the ball back to Miami with time on the clock and TOs in their hand ?

And if you say they should have run it then this is exactly what they did. This entire critique of that sequence exposes people that don't understand football so nicely I love that it happened.

Coward mentality of the Patriots rubbing off on fans it seems. What a pathetic way to think

 

[Kontradiction]

Coward mentality of the Patriots rubbing off on fans it seems. What a pathetic way to think

Listen, as long as the team had fun, that’s all that matters. People put too much of an emphasis on this winning/losing thing.

 

[JayNM]

Coward mentality of the Patriots rubbing off on fans it seems. What a pathetic way to think

The best part is when he claims to be scared of the Dolphins Offense scoring on less time

Because we have yet another quick three and out the Dolphins have time for a drive with multiple TOs and about a minute left.

The team that scored 10 points in one half, has 1.45 and 3 timeouts - SHOULD NOT TRY

The team that scored 3 points in one half, has less than 50 seconds of play and 3 time outs - SHOULD TRY

he's grasping to whatever keeps him stable in his steed

 

[luuked]

Lol

you are one dumb guy on a mighty high horse

So far nobody has been able to give a rational explanation why 1:50 with 2 TOs is a better situation than 0:53 with 3 TOs + knowing if your first play was positive or not.

But I guess in your imaginary world Brady would have suddenly completed a couple of throws and we would have scored points after being dogshit like the rest of the offense for an entire half.

I guess we would have hit yet another random 50yd pass of course.

 

[Mack Herron]

The argument seems to be that it didn't feel good. Plenty of places to assign blame, but I don't see this as one.

 

[JayNM]

So far nobody has been able to give a rational explanation why 1:50 with 2 TOs is a better situation than 0:53 with 3 TOs + knowing if your first play was positive or not.

But I guess in your imaginary world Brady would have suddenly completed a couple of throws and we would have scored points after being dogshit like the rest of the offense for an entire half.

I guess we would have hit yet another random 50yd pass of course.

But why do you think the dolphins would score if they had the ball left?

Let me hear ur narrative to support that the Dolphins O had better chance to score than the Pats O

Because we have yet another quick three and out the Dolphins have time for a drive with multiple TOs and about a minute left.

And I have answered that many times, you just refuse to accept the correct answer, cause that would make you even more wrong

 

[Tony2046]

When Belichick didn't call timeout I thought, "ok, he wants to save them for offense because they're going to try to get in fg range." He's said before that timeouts are more valuable than the actual seconds on the clock in many cases. Then To see the team just give up was a kick in the jewels. Bill knows his quarterback, his offense, is cooked

Or he thought the defense couldn't stop them if they got the ball back. Or both.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Listen, as long as the team had fun, that’s all that matters. People put too much of an emphasis on this winning/losing thing.

Well see I disagree. The most important part is that we don't have a wide receiver who makes fun of a woman's kids in bad taste

 

[Kontradiction]

Well see I disagree. The most important part is that we don't have a wide receiver who makes fun of a woman's kids in bad taste

He uses social media too. That’s ****ing ridiculous. Get him outta here.

 

[luuked]

But why do you think the dolphins would score if they had the ball left?

I have already stated many times that I would have been more aggressive. My issue is with saying the 3 TO 1:40 and 2 TO 0:53 + knowing if you the first play was positive made a difference from a strategic point of view.