Giving up in the First Half

[XLIX]

It is not "great". It is ****ing amazing. Seriously get some perspective and maybe realize that the coaching staff knows a lot more about situational football than you.

Ah, the old appeal to authority logical fallacy...

They may know more about football than me, but that does not make them immune from making mistakes, nor does it mean we don’t have a right to criticize them when they do. And this situation isn’t really some obscure, vague situation that only a genius could understand. We all understand what it means to have the ball with 1:40 left in the half.

The Patriots didn’t play to win. They played not to lose.

 

[luuked]

Uh, Dorsett was open, wide open. The pass from Brady was mediocre, but it was not a lucky play.

It was a lucky play as in Dorsett was not his primary read and we have rarely had any 30+ yard plays this year.

 

[luuked]

Ah, the old appeal to authority logical fallacy...

They may know more about football than me, but that does not make them immune from making mistakes, nor does it mean we don’t have a right to criticize them when they do. And this situation isn’t really some obscure, vague situation that only a genius could understand. We all understand what it means to have the ball with 1:40 left in the half.

The Patriots didn’t play to win. They played not to lose.

And yet nobody yet has been able to explain to me what the difference between 2 TOs with 1:40 and 3 TOs with 1:00 is. Please do that. Tell me how this is not the same situation except you will have more information based on the first play you run AND almost certainly not give the ball back.

Again disagree with the conservative approach all you want. I would have preferred to try something as well. But please lets stop this silly criticizing of the time management which was pretty much perfect.

 

[JayNM]

A draw play with about 55 seconds left in your own half is a great call. Except Flores and O'Shea knew exactly what McDaniels would do in this situation. Most other teams would have played the pass hard. That's what you are missing here.

First thing you answer is a Hypothetical? Wow, this gonna be awesome.

You must reveal your sources to tell me how other 31 teams would do in the place of the dolphins, they must be real spicy

We practice everything hard and yet the offense looked like the most incompetent unit in the entire league in the first half. What is your point ?

If you still haven't figure out that we put extra-emphasis on situational footbal, then maybe I shouldn't be telling you my points, cause you wont' comprehend

Because we have yet another quick three and out the Dolphins have time for a drive with multiple TOs and about a minute left. Again why do you assume they suddenly would be able to move the ball via pass when they were not able for the entire half except for one deep play to Dorsett.

Aahh so the Dolphins Offense that had scored 3 points on our defense - at that time - is more likely to score (with less time even!) than our O with 1.45 left and 3 Time Outs?

Why are you saying that it would be smart for them to go for it and not for us?

 

[luuked]

Im sorry. we must've been playing the 82 Bears defense. I mean, we cannot even move the ball against the INCREDIBLE Miami Defense, right?

-30th ranked defense in the league
-26th ranked passing D in the league
-27th ranked Rushing D in the league

With Eric Rowe and Nate Brooks, all very consisent and GREAT players.

Also, let's NOT look at SOME of the positive plays we had the game so far:

4 Yard Run
(10:45) NE 12-Brady 16th season starting 16 games, ties P. Manning for 2nd all-time (Favre 17). S.Michel right guard to NE 49 for 4 yards (T.Harris).

4 Yard Pass
(10:08) T.Brady pass short left to N.Harry to MIA 47 for 4 yards (A.Van Ginkel).

6 Yard Pass
(1:38) T.Brady pass short left to R.Burkhead to NE 31 for 6 yards (C.Munson).

14 Yard Run
(1:07) R.Burkhead right guard to NE 45 for 14 yards (A.Colbert, N.Needham).

14 Yard Pass
(15:00) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to J.Edelman to NE 49 for 14 yards (N.Needham).

Touchdown Patriots
(2:10) E.Roberts reported in as eligible. S.Michel left guard for 4 yards

8 Yard Run
(9:46) S.Michel left tackle to NE 42 for 8 yards (A.Van Ginkel)

14 Yard Run
(8:25) R.Burkhead left guard to MIA 26 for 14 yards (N.Brooks).

18 Yard Pass
(7:14) T.Brady pass deep left to N.Harry pushed ob at MIA 7 for 18 yards (N.Brooks).


I mean, you are right Luuked. It was IMPOSSIBLE to move the chains, right bb?

With all those runs in here you are just making my point that using the TO made zero difference at all because you only have so many and if you run it you will wind the clock at some point anyway.

 

[skinnydog]

It was a lucky play as in Dorsett was not his primary read and we have rarely had any 30+ yard plays this year.

None of that makes it a lucky, play and in fact makes it a better play than I recall when watching the game. So Dorsett runs a route that get's him open while not being the primary receiver. Brady comes off his primary read and sees Dorsett open deep and gets him the ball and that is lucky?

 

[venecol]

There is nothing bad about making sure you don't give another team a chance to score. It is the intelligent thing to do. Whether you call that coward or not doesn't matter. You always wanna play the right odds.

Sure, if you're the Jete or some lame team playing scared or like p$%^sies, not the defending SB champs.

He told the team last week this was a playoff game, but he didn't call it like one. No faith, basically telling Tom and the offense that he would rather quit on a drive than give them the chance to get 3 pts before the half. Not very inspiring to the offense that had just scored 10 straight pts and 150 yards.

 

[upstater1]

What is really, really crazy about all this is that the Patriots were hyper-aggressive offensively against the Ravens when they went to the hurry-up and had some success, but against a team as horrid as the Dolphins, they just kind of sat back. Brady was 30-45, 285 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT against the Ravens. There was some urgency there.

 

[JayNM]

With all those runs in here you are just making my point that using the TO made zero difference at all because you only have so many and if you run it you will wind the clock at some point anyway.

So u just ignoring the passes to support your narrative?

hmkay

 

[XLIX]

What ? In what world are you living ?

If they get a negative play against a offense that can't move the ball consistently of course they will call their TO.

Yeah. So what? Let them call their TO. Why should we be so terrified of that?

Also more importantly and that is the key point here there is no difference between calling the TO at 1:40 or after the first successful play. At some point you will have a play where you don't call a TO and the time will tick down. That is the point of the criticism that I get the least.

To quote you: In what world are you living?

There’s a huge difference between calling the TO at 1:40 versus saving it for offense. If you call it at 1:40, you save a full 40 seconds. On offense, when you run the hurry up, you don’t lose that full 40 seconds.

I’d rather have 2 timeouts and 1:40 to work with than all 3 timeouts and only 1:00.

 

[JayNM]

And yet nobody yet has been able to explain to me what the difference between 2 TOs with 1:40 and 3 TOs with 1:00 is. Please do that. Tell me how this is not the same situation except you will have more information based on the first play you run AND almost certainly not give the ball back.

Again disagree with the conservative approach all you want. I would have preferred to try something as well. But please lets stop this silly criticizing of the time management which was pretty much perfect.

I did. You just ignored to talk more **** trying to defend what is a horrible decision.

You are giving up 40 seconds that you could be getting - Something people call opportunity cost:

yards
information
plays made

for nothing

Too bad you can't understand

 

[luuked]

So u just ignoring the passes to support your narrative?

hmkay

I don't have any narrative. I am just pointing out the obvious issue with the assumption that we would score without using up exactly the same amount of time between plays anyhow. Except in this case we at least have more information in shape of a negative play.

Again it just goes to show how shallow some of you are approaching this and not from a game theory point of view. BB exchanged 40 seconds for 1 TO and additional information.

 

[luuked]

There’s a huge difference between calling the TO at 1:40 versus saving it for offense. If you call it at 1:40, you save a full 40 seconds. On offense, when you run the hurry up, you don’t lose that full 40 seconds.

I’d rather have 2 timeouts and 1:40 to work with than all 3 timeouts and only 1:00.

IT DOESNT MATTER. Seriously what kind of moron are you ? One first down later +/- they would have wound down the clock anyhow with a run. Have you ever watched this game before ?

 

[XLIX]

Or maybe Brady would have thrown another INT. Or maybe we would have had yet another quick three and out and been 3 down at half time. Why anyone would assume this garbage offense would be able to move the ball even 10 yards with the pass is absolutely absurd to me.

And yet you’re assuming that Miami’s garbage offense would have gotten the ball back with about 1:20 left, deep in their own territory, and scored.

 

[JayNM]

I don't have any narrative. I am just pointing out the obvious issue with the assumption that we would score without using up exactly the same amount of time between plays anyhow. Except in this case we at least have more information in shape of a negative play.

Again it just goes to show how shallow some of you are approaching this and not from a game theory point of view. BB exchanged 40 seconds for 1 TO and additional information.

lol

Now i know you are just talking ****.

Additional information you say, by playing 1 snap instead of... more than 1, with the same amount of time left.

get out here, go learn something

 

[luuked]

lol

Now i know you are just talking ****.

Additional information you say, by playing 1 snap instead of... more than 1, with the same amount of time left.

get out here, go learn something

The negative play is additional information. The wound clock means the Dolphins will not be able to do anything with it. I know it might be too complicated to understand for fantasy level morons like you. Go play Madden.

 

[XLIX]

IT DOESNT MATTER. Seriously what kind of ***** are you ? One first down later +/- they would have wound down the clock anyhow with a run. Have you ever watched this game before ?

Wow it didn’t take you long to come back with the personal attacks.

I guess that’s all you have left when just about everyone on the board calls you out for the complete moron you are.

 

[luuked]

Wow it didn’t take you long to come back with the personal attacks.

I guess that’s all you have left when just about everyone on the board calls you out for the complete ***** you are.

So similar to all the other clowns in here you also have no actual argument to make. Figures.

 

[venecol]

If our defense does its job on the last drive, the game is over and nobody is talking about the end of the 1st half.

It's obvious BB didn't trust the offense, it just gave 7 points to Miami earlier in the game..we lost the game because the offense wasn't good enough, the defense wasn't good enough and we were outplayed. If we would have fumbled or threw an interception that led to another Miami score, people would have been killing the decision. It's a typical second guess after the fact.

I agree with most of this Ash, but if this is a playoff game, you can't play scared. It sends the wrong signal to our team and the opponent. What happened with you play all 60 minutes?

 

[XLIX]

So similar to all the other clowns in here you also have no actual argument to make. Figures.

According to your idiotic logic, if there’s 2:00 left in the game and a team is on defense and needs the ball back, they should just save their timeouts for the offense. After all, it “doesn’t matter,” right??

Maybe someday you’ll learn how completely non-sensical and idiotic that strategy is.