Official Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Bills

[venecol]

Idk if I agree with that.
What kept them in the game was the burkhead fumble, the 2 opi calls, and a couple of fluky plays that were the only offense they could muster.

This is a very convenient take since opi were legit, fumble was caused by Bills D, and Allen had a couple of other TDs if he doesn't overthrow open guys.

Bills played tough. Both teams made mistakes. NEP were better.

 

[Ring 6]

This is a very convenient take since opi were legit, fumble was caused by Bills D, and Allen had a couple of other TDs if he doesn't overthrow open guys.

Bills played tough. Both teams made mistakes. NEP were better.

Sure except the Edelman opi was a terrible call.

 

[The Brandon Five]

It was legal and reportedly both 71 and 73 properly reported as eligible. But supposedly the refs only announced 71 was eligible and failed to inform the defense that 73 (who caught the TD) also reported as eligible which is why BB was steamed.

It wouldn't be an NFL game without some inept officiating. "Roger's doing a great job". If only technology had advanced in the last 10-20 years...

 

[venecol]

Best offensive game since the opening night beat down of the Steelers. Were solid on 1st down which has been missing much of the year.
Liked the aggressive play call on 4th and one at the 40 before the half. Sanu's failure to block ruined what would have been a 1st down and temporarily changed the game.
Was a little surprised BB did not call for a short kick after taking the 15 yard penalty. Seemed like a great opportunity to try and pin the Bills deep.

Everyone blames Sanu but on replay, the overhead shot showed that if Harry cuts right instead of following Sanu, there is a hole where he picks up the yard.

 

[Family]

I would agree if the Pats had an average D. IIRC, Buffalalo got the ball on their 40 with under a minute to go. Bb had confidence in his D in that situation and I hope he will going forward also. Just one play bad screwup by Gilmore and DMac who said in his postggame presser that he came back to the sideline saying”My bad fellas, we aren’t calling that coverage again”. So I’d call that one a rare outlier.

I'm not even referring to what happened.

From the 40 a team only has to move the ball 30 yards for a FG. Why even give them a chance for that?

I'll flip the situation. With a strong offense and an average D I go for it. But this was a defensive, field position game.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I thought he does quite well when Brady had the arm strength.He was key last year down he stretch and earlier this year.

I’m sorry, I just see a direct correlation to Brady’s arm strength basically eliminating the part of the field that Dorsett specializes in.

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He made some good catches last year.

I not sure Dorsett specializes in anything is my point.

 

[1960Pats]

I’ll tell you one thing, be thankful you’re on the pats side of 32-3, being in the other side isn’t fun... it’s sucks. the other afc teams aren’t playing goats 1 & 2 twice a year. when the pats clinch 11 division titles in a row, it really makes you despise this layout of the conferences. when is your damn coach going to retire!

Most of us are very thankful. How could we not be?

I've hated this idiotic 4 team division setup from the start. At the beginning it really looked like they were trying to set up PEDton Manning in an all-expansion team division. It worked as far as getting him to the playoffs but his 9 one-and-dones spoiled that move.

Btw, only one person saw the potential of Brady before anyone else. Unfortunately, that person, Pats QB coach **** Rehbein, passed away before Brady's first season as a starter. He said that everyone would know Brady's name and he was right.

 

[shmessy]

I'm not even referring to what happened.

From the 40 a team only has to move the ball 30 yards for a FG. Why even give them a chance for that?

In 45 seconds? With our D? Look, it’s not a 100% certainty, but the odds are in our favor. I wouldn’t lose that over an outlier going forward. It’s a question of probability.

Plus Buffalo was getting the ball at the beginning of the 2nd half. If the Pats would have been getting the ball id be more inclined not to take the gamble.

 

[shmessy]

Most of us are very thankful. How could we not be?

I've hated this idiotic 4 team division setup from the start. At the beginning it really looked like they were trying to set up PEDton Manning in an all-expansion team division. It worked as far as getting him to the playoffs but his 9 one-and-dones spoiled that move.

Btw, only one person saw the potential of Brady before anyone else. Unfortunately, that person, Pats QB coach **** Rehbein, passed away before Brady's first season as a starter. He said that everyone would know Brady's name and he was right.

Great point about the AFC South. That most definitely WAS Madison Ave trying to create a marketable GOAT (sometimes life doesn’t go by script, does it?).

Miami should been in that division with Indy in ours. But wow. Can you imagine 3 games per year of Brady-Manning????!!!

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[SEA_Pat]

Grades:

Brady A+. Sharp as ever, with a good running game and good OL he is still ELITE
Michel A-. Not fast enough for an A/A+ but was really good. Good effort and all.
White
Burkhead A. A+ without the fumble.
OL A+ Great job. Openning lanes, pass pro, really good game. Wynn was great and Newhouse was an unexpected good surprise at RT
WR: Edelman A+, Harry A, Meyers A, Sanu B- (couple of good catches and saved at least 10 yds on one punt, missed a block and still out of sync with Brady)
Roberts A.
Lacosse A-. (For his ceilling a TD and a lot of good blocks).
Watson A (robbed a TD)

Wish you'd been my teacher when I was at school...

 

[shmessy]

Wish you'd been my teacher when I was at school...

I know Burkheads mom would’ve loved it.

That fumble was a big deal in that first half. Yes, he made up for it later on, but that turned a FAIL (and Detention) into a solid B-.

 

[Doctor DDS]

I think going for it on 4th and 1 was the smart play and created the highest probability of improving Pats win chances.

Options and likely outcomes of going for it on 4th and 1 with 36 seconds left (Pats had 2 TO's, Bills had 1)

Based on down and distance and how well the Pats were playing on offense I thought they had about a 55% chance of making the 1st down.

Pats - make 1st down and make a FG - 50%
Pats - make 1st down and score a TD - 20%
Pats - do not make 1st down and hold Bills to no points - 75%
Pats - do not make 1st down and Bills score a FG - 20%
Pats - do not make 1st down and Bills score a TD - 5%

The least likely scenario was the Bills stopping them and going on to score a TD. If the Pats offense had been struggling like it had in the 1st Bills match up I would absolutely have been for punting but that was not the case in this game.

 

[Deus Irae]

after the past week, using the ignore feature to skim down the people i’m interested in talking with, posting in this topic will expedite trimming that list down quickly, i’ve hit ignore on like 15 so far. there’s quite a few people here who are really enjoyable to converse with especially when the noise gets filtered out. Shaw66 on 2billsdrive is one of the few people i enjoy talking football with. plus people on 2bd can’t figure out how to post in a single topic about a single topic. the game was predictable. new england clearly wanted this game, had good run schemes and buffalo was over perusing, miss tackling and ne just bulled there way down for 7. it was over before even started. ne prepared better, was ready to execute better, and showed more will. I wasn’t going to sit there and watch them muscle my team for hours in end. Ive seen this before. same bills. same pats.

I don't have an issue with you turning off the TV. I don't have an issue with you putting people on ignore.

I do have an issue with you thinking the game was predictable. I think that what made that game so good, from a view perspective (and neutral viewers seem to have loved the game) was the lack of predictability in that game.

 

[shmessy]

I don't have an issue with you turning off the TV. I don't have an issue with you putting people on ignore.

I do have an issue with you thinking the game was predictable. I think that what made that game so good, from a view perspective (and neutral viewers seem to have loved the game) was the lack of predictability in that game.

Especially since he turned the game off EARLY in the 1st half. Buffalo was in the game and there was a long way to go.

 

[1960Pats]

In case someone doesn't realize it, the Pats have had the best record in the AFCE for 19 straight seasons starting when Brady first came in. The only reason they didn't win it for two years (02, 08) was because of tie-breakers.

The Pats coaches need to do a better job teaching the pick play. The offensive players don't seem to know how to handle it. All they need to do is redirect the defender, not block him.

Was I the only one yelling "watch it!" to Burkhead just before he had the ball knocked out? I could see that one coming.

Why aren't Brady's playoff TD's counted when "they" talk about all-time TD's?

If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times. We've been blessed with the perfect storm of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

 

[NashuaPats]

Here’s a good explanation of the Dawkins TD.

Bills OL Dion Dawkins scores (controversial) big man TD, follows it up with big man TD dance

The official messed up by announcing the wrong player as eligible.

 

[upstater1]

Rather than 24-23?

I never said they should have kicked the XP. I'm not getting how people are thinking I am saying they should go for the kick.

I'm talking about the penalty.

 

[upstater1]

Seriously? You think I one yard makes a difference on a pass play, being one yard back may have helped.

Holy cow! This is exactly my point. You're telling the Bills, "Hey, we're going to pass the ball!" You're telling me there's no advantage to keeping them guessing between pass and run???

 

[venecol]

I think going for it on 4th and 1 was the smart play and created the highest probability of improving Pats win chances.

Options and likely outcomes of going for it on 4th and 1 with 36 seconds left (Pats had 2 TO's, Bills had 1)

Based on down and distance and how well the Pats were playing on offense I thought they had about a 55% chance of making the 1st down.

Pats - make 1st down and make a FG - 50%
Pats - make 1st down and score a TD - 20%
Pats - do not make 1st down and hold Bills to no points - 75%
Pats - do not make 1st down and Bills score a FG - 20%
Pats - do not make 1st down and Bills score a TD - 5%

The least likely scenario was the Bills stopping them and going on to score a TD. If the Pats offense had been struggling like it had in the 1st Bills match up I would absolutely have been for punting but that was not the case in this game.

Where are you coming up with these percentages?

 

[aluminum seats]

sounds like the coaching staff really made it hard on Harry and he has responded positively. Which is a good sign. Means the guy is coachable, and we already see his physical talents.

What’s great about having such a credible reporter like Reiss is that when he says something like this you know it’s true.

And I think that’s a really interesting insight that the coaching staff went all in, including McDaniels publicly saying he would make an effort to focus on Harry, to say essentially, your time is now. The fact that Harry has responded so well is a GREAT development for this team.