Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

[cmasspatsfan]

If they take anything more than a 4th round pick from us, I'll DEMAND that Kraft sue the ****ing league......

The demand wont get you too far, If they take more than a 6th or 7th they're more corrupt than I thought.

 

[libra957]

If they take anything more than a 4th round pick from us, I'll DEMAND that Kraft sue the ****ing league......

Kraft is too spineless to fight back.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Kraft is too spineless to fight back.

So specifically, what do you want Kraft to do?

 

[cupofjoe1962]

So specifically, what do you want Kraft to do?

Calling Roger Goodell incompetent would be a step in the right direction to winning back the respect of his hardcore fans.

 

[Tony2046]

So specifically, what do you want Kraft to do?

Fight back.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Fight back.

How? By doing what?

 

[Clonamery]

How? By doing what?

Say he’s sorry to the 31 and it’ll never happen again and we have the best fans who buy lots of Pats gear and buy out the stadium because we’re all patriots.

Something like that will make me know that everything is as it is.

 

[Koma]

Peter King was on the Rich Eisen show this morning and said he was told at the owners' meeting that if this had been any other franchise, it would be seen as no big deal, so there it is.

That’s the problem. If it’s no big deal for 31 teams, then it’s no big deal for any team. You can’t talk about the integrity of the game and importance of rules and then ignore or minimize things just because the Chargers, Texans, or Panthers were involved. It’s not just the league, but the media that does this as well.

Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, a story came out that the Saints GM had set up a system to listen in on the coach’s booth to sideline communications for visiting teams. The next day, Bill Polian went on ESPN radio and said, even if this was true, it wouldn’t be helpful. Even though that comment defies common sense, the hosts went along with him and the narrative was set: This wasn’t a big deal. Even though this took place after the bounty scandal, the Saints were teflon, like every non-Patriots team.

People in this thread keep saying that the Patriots need to follow the rules to the letter and not take any chances. Given the way they are treated, those comments are right. But what about the rest of the league? How closely are they following the rules given that they know that the league and media will look the other way or downplay it?

 

[sb1]

Anyone with a subscription to The Athletic have Glazer’s response to a question the investigation? It’s paywalled and I only have part of it.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

From the answers I got, when asked about that here, was that absolutely no filming by any person from the org. This is where the BS starts. Nobody seems to know the actual rules.

It seems when ever the Pats do something a team doesn't like, it's cheating.

Goodell, Kraft and all the owners can suck it.

I think this is why they didn't think this was anything wrong. They're not part of the football ops.

And, I am sorry, in no way shape or form, is this the first time an NFL team would have done some kind of documentary based work where it was filmed from that kind of a vantage point, for whatever the reason.

You're right in that they try to frame it up that NE is doing something sinister AND they're the only ones doing something. That's absolutely the narrative.

ESPN had a whole panel on it last night with none other than MIke Tannenboob on the panel.

And, Bruschi should be ashamed of himself. I cannot imagine how that guy returns to Foxborough after enabling the known cheating 345 Park Avenue behaviors through the years.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

In this instance, Kraft Productions is the team. Both the KP and the football club are under the same corporate roof. So, for all intents and purposes, it is the team.

It is not easy for Kraft to do anything against the league. There's a reason why he didn't "go after" the league when they railroaded Tom Brady. There is a reason why he won't now.

While this maybe a mistake, the team broke a rule. They have acknowledged this publicly. The fact that there is a "tape" is not good.

My opinion that this is bad has nothing to do with listening to "anti-Patriot" media coverage. It has to do with how grossly out of proportion every penalty leveled on this team has been. There has never been a proportionate response to the evidence at hand, but an escalation of draconian penalties not based in fact, but based on out right falsified investigations and at the urging if the other owners who resent the successes of this organization.

Why in "this instance"?

Laughable. Listen to yourself.

Kraft Productions has nothing to do with the football ops. And, I am sorry, but there is no way NE is the only franchise to hire a production team to shoot something from a press box before. Sorry, born at night, not last night.

Fact: NE filmed Jimmy Dee in crew FROM THE PRESS BOX earlier this year with the segment on what the TEAM video scouting crew does every week.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is taking too long.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Peter King was on the Rich Eisen show this morning and said he was told at the owners' meeting that if this had been any other franchise, it would be seen as no big deal, so there it is.

Does Peter King cite the Bill Cowher interview, when Goodell was hired, by whom, what Goodell's first order of business was on 9.6.06, and all of the inconsistencies for punishments and rules being followed under Goodell, replete with Goodell caught lying in federal courts at least 3 times, and cover ups of the Mannings?

Does Peter King mention these things to the owners?

The fact the owners admit they're cheaters and King doesn't write a piece on it, is disturbing.

 

[Tottie]

Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, a story came out that the Saints GM had set up a system to listen in on the coach’s booth to sideline communications for visiting teams. The next day, Bill Polian went on ESPN radio and said, even if this was true, it wouldn’t be helpful. Even though that comment defies common sense, the hosts went along with him and the narrative was set: This wasn’t a big deal. Even though this took place after the bounty scandal, the Saints were teflon, like every non-Patriots team.

Is this true? This can't possibly be as you describe it. I know the league is bad but this would be too much. Bill would receive a lifetime ban for this.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This is taking too long.

I'm sure they are doing a bunch of interviews, including other teams to see if we filmed them

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm sure they are doing a bunch of interviews, including other teams to see if we filmed them

Yep.

Pudgy Ordway asked BB last night if the league contacted him.

BB said he had nothing more to add.

Whats this from Phil Perry about how the Kraft Productions producer used the same PR firm as BBs foundation?

 

[supafly]

This is taking too long.

Give it until the end of the week. It’s only Tuesday morning. They just started either yesterday or today. Common sense has to prevail this time. It just has to.

 

[supafly]

That’s the problem. If it’s no big deal for 31 teams, then it’s no big deal for any team. You can’t talk about the integrity of the game and importance of rules and then ignore or minimize things just because the Chargers, Texans, or Panthers were involved. It’s not just the league, but the media that does this as well.

Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, a story came out that the Saints GM had set up a system to listen in on the coach’s booth to sideline communications for visiting teams. The next day, Bill Polian went on ESPN radio and said, even if this was true, it wouldn’t be helpful. Even though that comment defies common sense, the hosts went along with him and the narrative was set: This wasn’t a big deal. Even though this took place after the bounty scandal, the Saints were teflon, like every non-Patriots team.

People in this thread keep saying that the Patriots need to follow the rules to the letter and not take any chances. Given the way they are treated, those comments are right. But what about the rest of the league? How closely are they following the rules given that they know that the league and media will look the other way or downplay it?

We’ll see if Goodell is smart enough to know that this wasn’t anything nefarious and that the continued media hype is bad for all of the 32 teams. I realize that we’re pinning our hopes on this idiot, but most of the other investigations were wrapped up fairly quickly.

Sigh.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Is this true? This can't possibly be as you describe it. I know the league is bad but this would be too much. Bill would receive a lifetime ban for this.

Add this to the Kraft counter-argument presentation/press conference to show just how Goodell cheats.

 

[Tottie]

Add this to the Kraft counter-argument presentation/press conference to show just how Goodell cheats.

You said you were in the video business? I think you should make this presentation and then we can have all the players retweet it. Kraft loves his trophies but he's not backstabbing his clan members for a draft pick. He's a powerful owner but he can't win that fight. The media is too powerful and the NFL would feed them until Kraft was gone.